47948201 Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 *adds* (but like idk if there's something specific that's character-related that you want to know you can ask, but I'm not going to dump the backstories and stats of the entire roster here partly because a lot of the stuff I do is subject to change) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 How far into the story, chapter-wise, have you developed so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) I have general plans for every chapter up to 15, including maps with units placed up to about chapter 11. I have events for up to around chapter 6. No dialogue yet, though. I have a general idea of the flow of the rest of the game, I'm working it out on the sheet. Once I get through that, I'll start adding events and units for the rest of earlygame. (In other words, I haven't done a ton of solid work lately, largely planning out skills and later chapter general ideas) EDIT: oh my current project on that front right now is playing through what I have and rebalancing the bosses because lol some of these Edited April 21, 2016 by 47948201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrobin Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Skill names: Soul Devourer Burning Heart Real Impact True Prince (Use for Lord) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) at base: sword units: 22exclusively 4primarily 4secondarily lance units: 8exclusively 4primarily 7secondarily axe units: 11exclusively 4primarily 2secondarily bow units: 7exclusively 1primarily 1secondarily magic units: 16exclusively 5primarily 5secondarily staff units: 15 armored units:6 horse units:12 flying units:10 potential: sword units: 14exclusively 11primarily 6secondarily lance units: 6exclusively 6primarily 12secondarily axe units: 8exclusively 7primarily 9secondarily bow units: 5exclusively 3primarily 4secondarily magic units: 8exclusively 14primarily 12secondarily staff units: 24 armored units:6 horse units:16 flying units:11 So, what do these weird badly-formatted numbers mean? The number of units that can, right when they're recruited, use swords is 30 use lances is 19 use axes is 17 use bows is 9 use magic is 26 use staves is 15 take armored damage is 6 move around on a horse is 12 fly is 10 The number of units that can theoretically (that is, including promotions) use swords is 31 use lances is 24 use axes is 24 use bows is 12 use magic is 34 use staves is 24 take armored damage is 6 move around on a horse is 16 fly is 11 At least, if I didn't screw up. These are approximate anyway, but we can generally see a few things: it seems very few units use another weapon type then gain swords upon promotion (I think there's only one, a fighter that I made who promotes to hero) whereas several units gain the other weapon types and many gain magic (mostly staff users) there are far fewer bow-users than any other type. I think I'll add a Nomad, but maybe one or two more bow users probably wouldn't hurt. there aren't a lot of armored units. An observation I made is that nobody joins as a general, either. only one unit actually gains flight upon promotion, which isn't a terrible thing, but it's interesting to note. Likewise, nobody gains armor, and not a lot of units gain horses. Not all of these are bad things that want addressing, but I felt they were worth pointing out. (EDIT: woo, placed units up to chapter 15! Still need to event, I'm procrastinating a bit because doors and chests xP) Edited April 21, 2016 by 47948201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Petitt Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I guess you'll find out when the game releases☆ I'm just asking from a class perspective, I can check the classes of submitted characters but not characters you made. I just thought if we knew it would help submissions pick unique classes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Their classes are special(mage) hero cav(sw/la)/paladin great knight pegasus/falcoknight archer/sniper knight/general archer/warrior troubadour/valkyrie myrmidon/swordmaster fighter/warrior fighter/hero special(sword) all-weapon paladin knight(axe)/general cav(la/ax)/great knight mage/sage cleric/bishop cav(la/sw)/paladin thief/rogue wyvern(bow)/wyvernlord Those are my earlygame characters so far, I'm thinking I'll also add nomad/trooper knight/general knight/great knight maybe a cleric/sage or cleric/valkyrie soldier/some flier general plus the portraitless, abbreviated-name characters on the sheet (I realized I counted sword-gainers wrong but yeah idk just a general idea) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Double-posting to get Fateborn's attention, want to clarify how exactly Arulles work: In a certain chapter, she'll spawn in the middle of the map and the player has to talk to her before the enemy does. If this happens she's recruited and redarulle is the boss of a later chapter--otherwise, bluearulle is the boss of that chapter. What if bluearulle is recruited and later dies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateborn Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Double-posting to get Fateborn's attention, want to clarify how exactly Arulles work: In a certain chapter, she'll spawn in the middle of the map and the player has to talk to her before the enemy does. If this happens she's recruited and redarulle is the boss of a later chapter--otherwise, bluearulle is the boss of that chapter. What if bluearulle is recruited and later dies? Then redarulle doesn't show up. Scenario 1: You recruit Arulle, she survives to Redarulle chapter, Redarulle fight Arulle solo without other damages taken by allies = Gungnir for Arulle. Scenario 2: You fail to recruit Arulle, she becomes the main boss of a end-game chapter, Redarulle shows up as side-boss NPC (enemy to both side) who beelines to Arulle to duel her. If Arulle lose, redarulle becomes a boss you need to defeat to capture the throne. Scenario 3: Arulle is recruited and later dies. Redarulle hears the tale of a extraordinary woman dying in battle, disappointed and leave to go back to her world. Scenario 4: Arulle is recruited and allies helps her defeat redarulle, no Gungnir and redarulle is disappointed, tell Arulle the next time she see her, she'll kill her for not delivering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragrath Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) hmm I think part of the issue with bows is they are not just a weapon that is usually thrown on a unit. Typically only archers or prepromoted bow using mounted units are usually seen. The only possible solutions I can personally think of is to either create more prepromoted hybrid units or to produce more archers with unique promotions. One idea I thought of is a bow/staff wielding unit The other possibility is a bow/lance using infantry, a bow/magic hybrid (probably a light/bow) A bow/Axe wielder(that in't a warrior?) perhaps a modified caviler? See Bows are a hard weapon to place... Edited April 22, 2016 by Dragrath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 All righty I can do that but so in scenario 3, what would become of that endgame chapter? Yeah I mean if there were sprites then I'd go for more stuff with bows but the issue is there aren't... Actually I think I can make a bow-mage, so adding that to the nomad and ranger (rangers might use lances?) then that shouldn't be too awful for players to pick from? Maybe I'll make a general who can use bows too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateborn Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) All righty I can do that but so in scenario 3, what would become of that endgame chapter? Skip it of course. It's a Gaiden made for Arulle to tease a bit of my hack. It's not required, but a nice add-on. Edited April 22, 2016 by Fateborn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrobin Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Class ideas: Dragoon (Speedier Knights with less Defense and draconic armor) Pegasus Archer Wyvern Mage Pegasus Troubadour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobyTheGoober Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Class ideas: Dragoon (Speedier Knights with less Defense and draconic armor) Pegasus Archer Wyvern Mage Pegasus Troubadour Dragoons are already a thing in certain hacks, and wyvern mages are basically malig knights, and pegasus troubs aren't the most creative thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Pegasus Troubadour halfway does exist in the form of Falcoknights who can use staves, ie Seraph Knights. Dragoons are pretty similar to my Lancers, though they're not getting much attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverHairedFreak25 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Class ideas: Dragoon (Speedier Knights with less Defense and draconic armor) Pegasus Archer Wyvern Mage Pegasus Troubadour Pegasus Archer Do you even Kinshi Knight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 What about Armor Shamans? Or Pegasus Monks? Or even Wyvern Priests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 While admittedly simply combining classes will likely result in something easier to sprite that something all-new, it tends to not be as interesting. Besides, rather than make new classes, why not just make characters that take advantage of a class in new ways? I'm starting to rough out some ideas for random gimmick characters--I (DEFINITELY) don't want everyone to be super strongly gimmicky, but I think a few of them is a good idea. For example, a character with 10 HP but 30def/res is only a minor variation on any class, but will play much more differently than most classes that one would come up with. (Just as an example, I think maybe the idea was based on Klok said) I can explain my other gimmick characters if my notes on them are too sparse for people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliwan Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) random gimmick charactersI'm just going to stare at klokler for a bit longer for those that haven't checked the doc: At the end of player turn: -Randomly teleports to an unoccupied tile -max HP changes to a number between 20 and 80 -movement changes to a number between 0 and 10 -other stats change to a number between 0 and 30 Every single attack is random: 0-20 damage 0-100 hit rate 0-50 critical rate Weapons further make randomness: -50% chance that damage dealt is restored as HP, 50% chance that enemy heals and self takes half that amount as damage -+10 all non-HP non-Move stats. 50% chance to keep this bonus, 50% chance to make all enemies while within 5 tiles to have +5 all stats -30% toxify target, 20% toxify self, 20% enrage target, 10% enrage self, 10% sleep all player units, 10% full heal all player units toxify = deal 1-99% of the afflicted's current HP, non-fatal rage = berserk, doubled atk/skl/spd but luk/def/res are 0 take advantage of a class in new ways?The problem with this is that exactly how somebody interprets this is really up to their context I'd say that Cynthia interacts with being-an-archer slightly differently than other archers due to her skill, and I'd say that it "takes advantage" of being range-locked thus able to guarantee 'weakening' an enemy without actually killing it. Edited April 22, 2016 by Eliwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Yeah that's a more subtle sort of way to do an interesting character and what I'd rather most of the cast be. The gimmick characters are just super one-note or whatever. (or in the case of klokler, all-notes) Edited April 22, 2016 by 47948201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrobin Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Found this class tree searching the web, perhaps it'll kickstart a few more ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragrath Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Found this class tree searching the web, perhaps it'll kickstart a few more ideas? Seems a bit overly complicated as you would have to animate everything+ add whole new spell lines by the looks of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrobin Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 We don't have to do the tier 3 (Pupil is tier 0) classes, so if we wanted to use them, Animist, Naturalist and Beast Master would be a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 Actually beastmaster is a neat idea, a unit that can buff monster units. Likewise, apothecary/ist could be a neat unit. Geomancers are also cool but sound like too much work to handle effectively--most of these are the types of things that, rather than their own class, kinda make more sense as a unit specialty made with personal skills or weapons or something. So to that end, I think I'll add some skills based on this tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrobin Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Listing unique units on the to base skills off of: Cardinal Saint Enchanter Wizard/Witch Wyrm Caster Oracle Warlock Sorcerer Necromancer Animist Beast Master Caller Apothecary Naturalist Geomancer Faun (?????) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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