Luna4Nohr Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Every time I think I know just about everything, another anomaly appears in 5 vs 5 wifi battles. I was doing extremely well and had only lost once in the past month and a half. Then along comes a team full of Midori's.... All of them ninjas with maxed out speed and skill. Actually, 4 Midori's and 1 Shigure with all rally skills. The maxed out speed + the rallies were only able to, at best, match my own speed. Here was my team: -Avatar, Nohr noble. Supporting Hinoka as a swordmaster with a maxed hagakure blade. -Setsuna as a ninja, supporting Midori as a ninja. -Xander as a paladin with 57 defense. Hinoka had an avoid of 137, plus "shuriken breaker". That gave her 187 avoid in total against the midoris. Hinokas Hit was 213. Hinoka, supported by MU, gets ready to obliterate one of the midoris who was finally in range. I go to preview my attack, and discover that Hinoka only has a 37% hit rate against midori. The opposing midori does not have swordbreaker. And if this isnt swell enough already, I discover that the opposing midori has a full 100% hit rate against hinoka!!! My own Midori and Setsuna were able to match the opposing team on the battlefield. Xander had like, a 15% Hit rate against them. His defense was very good, but it didnt do any good against midoris Lethality. Heres my question: -I understand that shuriken beats swords in the weapon triangle. Does this really add THAT much to their Hit and Avo in battles???? -What build would you suggest to be able to counter one of these teams? -Would equipping Hinoka with a maxed Dual Katana completely obliterate ninjas? Im thinking of swapping out Xander for kinshi knight takumi with a surefire yumi. Triangle advantage + Movement/attack range. Thoughts? Keep in mind that this was not a castle battle. They didnt have Avo or Hit bonuses from buildings. Edited April 16, 2016 by Luna4Nohr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit in Black Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) I don't have much experience with PvP but here goes nothing: - From what you've told it really seems like it was all the weapon's triangle factoring in; did you check the opposing Midori's hit/dodge rates? I'm as lost as you are, to be honest. - The only thing I can think of is to increase your own army's offensive pressure as bulkier builts are insta-lose against All-out-attackers. Perhaps try something with Replicate+Galeforce+Shurikenbreaker and high mobility to take the ninjas out? As I said, haven't really tried PvP yet so sorry if this wasn't of much help. Edited April 16, 2016 by Spirit in Black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Certain blow is a thing, So are zerkers, highforge, and maxed out skill statues. Edited April 16, 2016 by joshcja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Remember the weapon triangles. Bows/Axes < Tomes/Swords < Hidden Weapons/Lances < Bows/Axes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna4Nohr Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Thanks for all of your replies! Yes I have max speed, skill, and defense statues on the revelation route. Im wondering if I should switch defense with strength. Also, very good points were made. Certain blow will def help. Their hit/avo rates were truly nothing special when compared to mine. 180 hit and about 170 avo compared to my 200 of both. Im currently utilizing takumi with a surefire yumi, shurikenbreaker, and certain blow among some offensive skills. I wonder what benefits you get from having weapon advantage, like exactly how much hit/avo you get. Against ninjas, which class do you think will do better? -Berserkers-Dragon units with axes-Kinshi Knights -Snipers -Vanguard with an axe? Once again, thanks for all of your help! Edited April 16, 2016 by Luna4Nohr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Isn't it according to the weapon rank of the advantaged side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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