Percivalé Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I was killed n1 bc I'm an avid trump hater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 scum got completely fucked by roles lol well you also lynched scum d1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelaar Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Well gg peeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leona Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 What was the point in lynching me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just playing it safe since you could've been a dangerous ITP fakeclaiming and screwed us over. Town hates ITPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leona Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Thanks for reminding me why I don't like playing here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 No need to be passive-aggressive about optimal play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 ITPs don't have the same win condition as town, so there is always the possibility they're lying to save their own hides. Furthermore ITPs side with the alignment that's easier to win with. You can't keep an ITP around to help town because if the tide turns in scum's favor they're going to try and joint with scum unless they're like, ITP doc who wins by stopping kills or something. Not to mention sometimes scum will fakeclaim ITP if people cut ITPs too much slack. Read Toonami Mafia starting here if you want a good example of why ITPs can be complete and total fuckjobs from the PoV of town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) Gorf is going to build a wall to keep the ITPs out and he's going to get Snike to pay for it with leftover bounty money from that game This is also why Via is anti-Trump, incidentally Edited September 17, 2016 by Prims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 It was a fair possibility that you were cult. Everyone else had already claimed non-itp and we knew there was one in the setup, so if you claimed itp but something non-hostile, it would be believable and we'd be less likely to lynch you. If you were a recruit and not a leader, that would have been a very solid cult play. If it had not been at the possible expense of hurting our chances of winning, I'd have tried to help you win, but that wasn't the case this game. I can only say that I'm sorry it didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leona Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this It's not like you cost me the win, but.... I'm salty. Mostly because all of the arguments for my lynch were nonsensical and badly thought out. EDIT: This was a response to Prims Edited September 17, 2016 by Arctic Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 it bought me time to cop the cop scan, so I don't think it was that big of a deal there was also literally 40 minutes left so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leona Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The alternative to my lynch was actually the last mafia. If you had gone for him instead of me you would have won sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Masters Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 That's.... actually quite true, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Trump being the last maf and you not being cult were both uncertainties. But possibly lynching the last mafia (esp. one known to be a lawyer) is a smaller gain than possibly lynching a cult leader just because of how much faster cult can reach parity. Trump would have been the suboptimal lynch given what we knew at the time. Also... it's unfortunate but had we lynched Trump d3, the game still would've ended there and you would've been prevented from earning more prediction points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leona Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I didn't get a single prediction point lol I thought you guys had established me as a cult recruit..... in which case there was no point in lynching me as I would just have been replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I don't get why you claimed or the logic behind your predictions (why not the claimed cop????). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 You could've been either leader or recruit from our pov, really. Lynching a recruit would've still been valuable since the flip would give us confirmation that a cult did exist. I would just have been replaced There can be more than one recruit at a time, so delaying parity is still valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leona Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I don't get why you claimed or the logic behind your predictions (why not the claimed cop????). I figured the mafia didn't want to risk attacking a likely doctor target You could've been either leader or recruit from our pov, really. Lynching a recruit would've still been valuable since the flip would give us confirmation that a cult did exist. There can be more than one recruit at a time, so delaying parity is still valuable. By day 3 it's already too late to hold them back in that way. The cult would maintain their number but the total number of players would dwindle, resulting in a quick cult win. Had I been a cult recruit you would have lost by lynching me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Had I been a cult recruit you would have lost by lynching me. It's hard to say tbh, I think the potential lylo announcement could have led us to play differently. We could still win in such a case if during n3 Gorf shot cult, the leader was nursed, or the recruit target was shrink'd. Not a guaranteed loss, but yes, the game would be much more difficult if we lynched recruit!you while the game was 3/1/3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 @AF: hypothetically speaking, if you were town and somebody claimed non-hostile ITP in this setup, would you trust them completely? I think you should have been given a safeclaim, or your wincon altered so you could still win after dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share Posted September 17, 2016 I think the potential lylo announcement could have led us to play differently.no *ylo announcements, so lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) see why i don't like the lynch all itps automatically rule lol altho you probably shouldn't have claimed warlock so readily :( Edited September 17, 2016 by Quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) i realize it's optimal play but like it turns playing itp into playing mafia basically, hostile or not, except the mafia also wants you dead so what's the pointof being itp. basically why i dont like playing itp anymore :( that's just me tho also since everyone knows the itp policies here i feel like this means hosts should exclude super fucking hard-to-win itps like survival-based ones and lynchers (non-hostile itps whatever u wanna call them) bc you are giving people an unwinnable role in a place like sf but again that's just me. if itp is going to be included in a game they should be pretty powerful considering everything's probably stacked against them also im mexican & love being itp #bantrump #destroytrumpwall2016 Edited September 17, 2016 by Quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 How about not even having an ITP to begin with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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