bottlegnomes Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 3:10 AM, DragonFlames said: And there is also the fact that heroes weren't always "good" by definition. Just look at Siegfried in the Niebelungenlied. He was anything but a "hero" by today's standards. The definition of a hero as someone who does good deeds changed in the 12th century due to stories like King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table and the aforementioned Niebelungenlied. It was all part of a movement to educate the nobility of that time on how to act properly. The works were called "Chivalric romance".I knew those three years and counting of literature studies would pay off! He wasn't? I'm only vaguely familiar with the story, but I'd gotten the impression that he was fairly noble up to a point and then got corrupted by a tragic flaw or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguard333 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 21 hours ago, RedRob said: Eh, not really a misnomer there. It varies from religion to religion on whether a priest can marry. This. Even if you just look at Christian priests, Catholic priests aren't allowed to marry, Protestant priests usually are allowed, while East Orthodox priests are allowed to marry so long as they were married before becoming priests. Still, what is a priest doing on the battlefield? Even if they're just something along the lines of a combat medic. Perhaps if they were part of a militaristic monastic order like the Knights Hospitaller or Knights Templar. Anyway, back to class names that don't make sense, a Berserker was basically a Viking Age champion; the name being believed to derive from them wearing bear pelts as a status symbol. At least Path of Radiance had the bear pelt bit. They weren't an upgraded bandit or anything like that. They probably used axes, though that's mainly because Viking Age warriors really liked using axes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberController Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Paladin. In most fantasy works, Paladins have magical powers. But the Paladins in Fire Emblem can only use lances and swords. Horseman. It's really vague, since a ton of classes use horses. It doesn't tell you that they can use bows and swords. Mamluke in TearRing Saga. They were Muslim slaves trained in combat. None of the ones in TearRing are slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, CyberController said: Paladin. In most fantasy works, Paladins have magical powers. But the Paladins in Fire Emblem can only use lances and swords. Horseman. It's really vague, since a ton of classes use horses. It doesn't tell you that they can use bows and swords. Mamluke in TearRing Saga. They were Muslim slaves trained in combat. None of the ones in TearRing are slaves. Well the Paladins were a real historic order who (presumably) couldn't use magic, so it's other fantasy works that are deviating from accuracy by making some kind of white magic combat healer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Hardin Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) On 3/17/2018 at 7:14 PM, CyberController said: Generals. They are just promoted Knights. They don't actually decide how the battle goes. While this is true for many of the characters who promote to General. Almost all the pre promoted and unplayable generals are indeed authority figures. Like to look at the General characters of FE1. The majority of minor human bosses are of the General class King of Gra and General of its Armies, Jiol, is a General. Lorenz, a revered General of Grust(Enemy nation) who ultimately leaves his nation for Marth's army, the only playable general. Its the same in almost every game, Pre-promoted Generals used to lead Armies before they joined the player's army and boss characters love the General class. In Berwick Saga, this is even clearer as no Generic Generals and members of the class usually have Charisma/Charm as a special skill. On 3/18/2018 at 12:22 AM, NekoKnight said: Chivalry, the code of principles that people associate with knights, is a word derived from old French meaning "horse soldiery", so cavaliers would be the most worthy of the titles of knights. To their credit, FE4&5 and 9&10 called their cavaliers knights and their armored infantry, armors. Of course, knighthood has meant different responsibilities and ideals throughout time so there isn't a concrete "class" they would fit into. In Japan, the class names are different. Cavalier is Social Knight, whose name is probably a mistranslation. I'm guessing they wanted Horse Knight. Knight is Armor Knight, obviously. It was probably shortened overseas for space reasons. On 3/17/2018 at 7:12 PM, DisobeyedCargo said: Baron. It's a title of nobility Thinking about it, pretty much all the default Barons are indeed noblemen of some sorts. Take FE2. Desaix is a prime minister. Minor boss, Magnum is a decorated general of Rigel and likely a noble. In FE4, every Baron unit was either nobility or even royalty. Edited April 16, 2018 by Emperor Hardin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBoyHector Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Maid and Butler, last time I checked, you didn't take the catering staff onto the battlefield, normally they stay behind at the camp. Same could be said for a Dancer or Bard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Emperor Hardin said: While this is true for many of the characters who promote to General. Almost all the pre promoted and unplayable generals are indeed authority figures. Like to look at the General characters of FE1. The majority of minor human bosses are of the General class King of Gra and General of its Armies, Jiol, is a General. Lorenz, a revered General of Grust(Enemy nation) who ultimately leaves his nation for Marth's army, the only playable general. Its the same in almost every game, Pre-promoted Generals used to lead Armies before they joined the player's army and boss characters love the General class. In Berwick Saga, this is even clearer as no Generic Generals and members of the class usually have Charisma/Charm as a special skill. In Japan, the class names are different. Cavalier is Social Knight, whose name is probably a mistranslation. I'm guessing they wanted Horse Knight. Knight is Armor Knight, obviously. It was probably shortened overseas for space reasons. Thinking about it, pretty much all the default Barons are indeed noblemen of some sorts. Take FE2. Desaix is a prime minister. Minor boss, Magnum is a decorated general of Rigel and likely a noble. In FE4, every Baron unit was either nobility or even royalty. FE5 throws a few Barons at you that just seem to be regular generals of the army without any noteable land ownership. Probably done purely to have mage armours. Though I suppose it could be an indication that loads of Grannvalian Generals have been given lands in Munster to rule over and are slowly performing a plantation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Hardin Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jotari said: FE5 throws a few Barons at you that just seem to be regular generals of the army without any noteable land ownership. Probably done purely to have mage armours. Though I suppose it could be an indication that loads of Grannvalian Generals have been given lands in Munster to rule over and are slowly performing a plantation. True, though I wouldn't be surprised if many of them were Grannevalian nobles. General, Baron, and Emperor also work as names as each is a higher title then the preceding class. Edited April 16, 2018 by Emperor Hardin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberController Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/15/2018 at 6:33 PM, MyBoyHector said: Maid and Butler, last time I checked, you didn't take the catering staff onto the battlefield, normally they stay behind at the camp. Same could be said for a Dancer or Bard. It does make sense on a thematic level. Maids/Butlers can heal their allies, and their weapons have low might, but allow them to weaken enemies. This means that they're a support class, as you'd expect a servant to be. But Butler isn't the male version of maid. It's the head servant of a household. So, "Butler", should be renamed "manservant". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Manservant sounds overly cruel though to a modern audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ae†her Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/15/2018 at 9:33 PM, MyBoyHector said: Maid and Butler, last time I checked, you didn't take the catering staff onto the battlefield, normally they stay behind at the camp. Same could be said for a Dancer or Bard. They're not supposed to leave the castles to which they tend. They should've made it the Squire class if they wanted maids and butlers that happen to be good at fighting to have a role on the battlefield. We're talking about Fates' and Intelligent System's marketing strategy here though so can't really expect too much realism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBoyHector Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ae†her said: They're not supposed to leave the castles to which they tend. They should've made it the Squire class if they wanted maids and butlers that happen to be good at fighting to have a role on the battlefield. We're talking about Fates' and Intelligent System's marketing strategy here though so can't really expect too much realism. While rare, some do leave the castle and fellow their lords while they go away for battle, however, they always stayed back at their tents at camp, managing supplies, serving food (especially in the medieval days. But I agree with you about the naming aspect of it. Squires would of made a hell of a lot more sense. Make it a Tier 0 class that could go into Soldier/Cav/Merc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 There is a type of Butler that is seen near combat. It is called, I shit you not, a batman. A military officer in the field during the Victorian era had one nearby at all times. Batmen probably had some skill in defending themselves or their masters, purely because they served masters who could possibly be minutes from capture at any moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slumber Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hylian Air Force said: There is a type of Butler that is seen near combat. It is called, I shit you not, a batman. A military officer in the field during the Victorian era had one nearby at all times. Batmen probably had some skill in defending themselves or their masters, purely because they served masters who could possibly be minutes from capture at any moment. So Alfred, depending on the storyline, is Batman's batman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Slumber said: So Alfred, depending on the storyline, is Batman's batman? Yes, exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ae†her Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 hours ago, MyBoyHector said: While rare, some do leave the castle and fellow their lords while they go away for battle, however, they always stayed back at their tents at camp, managing supplies, serving food (especially in the medieval days. But I agree with you about the naming aspect of it. Squires would of made a hell of a lot more sense. Make it a Tier 0 class that could go into Soldier/Cav/Merc Seriously? Well I guess it is possible as a Butler is the only one you would charge with such tasks back home. 31 minutes ago, Hylian Air Force said: There is a type of Butler that is seen near combat. It is called, I shit you not, a batman. A military officer in the field during the Victorian era had one nearby at all times. Batmen probably had some skill in defending themselves or their masters, purely because they served masters who could possibly be minutes from capture at any moment. Yeah, I give up. The world is too big for things not to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 7 hours ago, MyBoyHector said: While rare, some do leave the castle and fellow their lords while they go away for battle, however, they always stayed back at their tents at camp, managing supplies, serving food (especially in the medieval days. But I agree with you about the naming aspect of it. Squires would of made a hell of a lot more sense. Make it a Tier 0 class that could go into Soldier/Cav/Merc Yeah, but then you wouldn't get the fanservicw, which is the real reason the class exists. 5 hours ago, Hylian Air Force said: There is a type of Butler that is seen near combat. It is called, I shit you not, a batman. A military officer in the field during the Victorian era had one nearby at all times. Batmen probably had some skill in defending themselves or their masters, purely because they served masters who could possibly be minutes from capture at any moment. Damnit IS, do more research. That's too cool to not be in the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberController Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Gold Knight: Gold is a pretty bad metal for armor. It's soft and easily malleable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisobeyedCargo Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/24/2018 at 1:21 PM, CyberController said: Gold Knight: Gold is a pretty bad metal for armor. It's soft and easily malleable. Maybe it's just a thin layer of gold for decoration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slumber Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/24/2018 at 12:21 PM, CyberController said: Gold Knight: Gold is a pretty bad metal for armor. It's soft and easily malleable. Same with silver. Unless you're going with platinum, any of the premium metals will suck for armor. Better off sticking with iron or steel if you really want to intimidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diffuse Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) On 24.4.2018 at 7:21 PM, CyberController said: Gold Knight: Gold is a pretty bad metal for armor. It's soft and easily malleable. I suspect that Gold and Silver Knights might derive their names from the Gold and Silver General pieces from Shōgi (a Japanese strategy board-game from the same family as Chess). Edited April 28, 2018 by Diffuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Tim Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 On 20.3.2018 at 9:48 AM, DragonFlames said: Same here. Though I could imagine that this is accurate, as the Vikings were apparently people who believed paradise entailed bashing each other's heads in during the day, then getting resurrected in the evening, then getting wasted at night and repeating the cycle come morning. Which is probably why they are called Ulfhedin-Alpha in the German translation, Ulf being an old Germanic word for wolf. I have no clue what 'hedin' means, though. (Though I'd like to remind everyone here that no matter how many times Fates will try to convince you, the Wolfskin look nothing like actual wolves at all. If anything, they are more like bears and even that is a stretch. Evidence #343 that Nintendo has no clue which animal is which.) On that note, the German translation of the Nine Tails class also makes no sense. A Kitsune is still a Kitsune, though the Nine Tails is a 'Fuchsgeist' which translates to 'Fox Spirit'. What, do they die during promotion or something? Why they didn't go for the more obvious 'Neunschwanz' (the accurate way to translate Nine Tails) is beyond me, but... the Germs always need to be something special, I guess. This kind of stuff is the reason I play games and watch anime in English. I think I can count the number of instances where I prefer the German localisation of games or anime to the English version on one hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 "Goddess of Order" from the PAL English translation of Radiant Dawn. Well, at least I don't think that makes sense. I mean, Ashera is not really a "Goddess of Order" isn't she? "Order" is not her domain in any way, it's just that she removed the chaos parts of her being. But that doesn't really affect her power over creation. So the way it looks to me, her NoA class name of "Order Incarnate" is actually more accurate. Of course her Japanese name was simply "Goddess", so I don't know why the localisation felt the need to get so creative her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Funky Tim said: This kind of stuff is the reason I play games and watch anime in English. I think I can count the number of instances where I prefer the German localisation of games or anime to the English version on one hand. Radiant Dawn's voice acting, maybe? Because in the German version, it's actually really good. And the German localisation for Digimon was also really great, because they took their material directly from the Japanese release - music an all (voice acting wise, I prefer the German version of Digimon Tamers to the original, for example). But I definitely agree with you otherwise. Edited May 3, 2018 by DragonFlames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberController Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 On 4/11/2018 at 1:02 PM, Jotari said: Well the Paladins were a real historic order who (presumably) couldn't use magic, so it's other fantasy works that are deviating from accuracy by making some kind of white magic combat healer. The odd thing is that FE4 Paladin girls can use staves, like the D&D paladins can use magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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