Perkilator Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Alright, I've decided to overhaul this OP a little. Here are the characters in Vol. 2 right now: Min Min (ARMS) Steve (Minecraft) Sephiroth (FINAL FANTASY VII) Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade Chronicles 2) Kazuya Mishima (Tekken) Sora (Kingdom Hearts) And with that, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's life cycle has now concluded. Edited October 5, 2021 by Perkilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Given the long release date of this, I'm sure there'll probably be one character we don't even know about on the list. It's unlikely, but I'd personally like another Bayonetta character. Preferably Balder. He's already there as a Spirit though. If they don't intend to make any characters who aren't in the game already as spirits, then the list is pretty limited in first party circles. Maybe another Zelda game with Breath of the Wild 2 in development. I'd love to see classic Pig Beast Ganon. Edited January 21, 2020 by Jotari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Lance Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Phoenix Wright, Rex/Pyra, Paper Mario, a Tetris block, Lana from Hyrule Warriors and Master Chief. Now we wait for me to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Brand Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jotari said: Given the long release date of this, I'm sure there'll probably be one character we don't even know about on the list. It's unlikely, but I'd personally like another Bayonetta character. Preferably Balder. He's already there as a Spirit though. If they don't intend to make any characters who aren't in the game already as spirits, then the list is pretty limited in first party circles. Maybe another Zelda game with Breath of the Wild 2 in development. I'd love to see classic Pig Beast Ganon. Once, I advocated for there to be three variants of Link, Zelda, and Ganon each: The Classic versions, the Toon versions, and the "main" versions as seen in OoT and TP, representing the three timelines and the majority of games on each. Of course now I'd also want Champion Link and Champion Zelda as Echoes of the "main" Link and Zelda. Or simply use CFS to create all of the above. In my heart, Krystal and Shantae are the two I really, really want, but Krystal's already an Assist Trophy, so her chances are slim, while Shantae's are hurt a little by her having a Spirit already. But gosh would they make me happy. Crash and Spyro, now those two seem far more likely, what with their recent resurgence in relevance and popularity, not to mention their big comeback titles being released on Switch (marking the first time ever their original games are available on a Nintendo console). Their Spirit Boards should also be easy to fill; in fact, it's hard to choose just 11 each, and I find myself choosing group spirits for things like Cortex Commandos, Dragon Elders, and Forgotten Realms Heroes. Since X is seemingly deconfirmed with the Mii Gunner costume, I'll say Crono is my next pick as Chrono Trigger is an RPG classic and deserves to be represented in Smash. And I'd love to see a Toriyama-animated trailer inspired by the animated opening for the PS1 and DS versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flere210 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Imo Link is the only want that really want 2 versions. Mostly to reflect the changes of Breath of the Wild. Link being mostly a tool user has been his schtick since NES, but BoTW clearly abbandoned that. Zelda is fine as one, and sheik may be either replaced by Impa whit the same moveset or be a separate character. Ganondorf imo could be splitted in Ganondorf and Ganon, either as a transfoming character or as two. Imo they should follow the lead pf Hyrule Warrior that made him feel really powerful. I am fine even whit keeping Ganon a boss if dorf is decloned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Flere210 said: Imo Link is the only want that really want 2 versions. Mostly to reflect the changes of Breath of the Wild. Link being mostly a tool user has been his schtick since NES, but BoTW clearly abbandoned that. Zelda is fine as one, and sheik may be either replaced by Impa whit the same moveset or be a separate character. Ganondorf imo could be splitted in Ganondorf and Ganon, either as a transfoming character or as two. Imo they should follow the lead pf Hyrule Warrior that made him feel really powerful. I am fine even whit keeping Ganon a boss if dorf is decloned. What at all about Ganondorf's current moveset is a clone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) My most wanted characters are: Devil May Cry: Dante or Nero NieR: 2B Tales: Yuri & Repede Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright with a Miles Edgeworth alt. Assassin's Creed: Ezio Monster Hunter Spyro Crash Bandicoot Travis Touchdown Doom Slayer My 6 most wanted in bold. Edited January 21, 2020 by Etheus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flere210 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jotari said: What at all about Ganondorf's current moveset is a clone? Ganondorf does not even have energy balls that can be reflected. It's not a Captain Falcon's moveset, but it's still a moveset that has nothing to do whit Ganondorf as he is in Zelda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Flere210 said: Ganondorf does not even have energy balls that can be reflected. It's not a Captain Falcon's moveset, but it's still a moveset that has nothing to do whit Ganondorf as he is in Zelda. Samus doesn't even have ice beams. Doesn't mean she's a clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'd argue that yes, Ganondorf does still have too many similarities to Captain Fabulous. Not enough to be a straight up clone anymore, but enough to be a disappointing implementation of a character with massive potential. Also, I rather miss Twilight Princess Ganondorf. That version was actually intimidating. But what does any of this have to do with the topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flere210 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Jotari said: Samus doesn't even have ice beams. Doesn't mean she's a clone. No, but for decloned i was mostly saying that he is an heavily reworked Falcondorf, but still Falcondorf. He still brawl for no reason, while every version of the character used a combination of an heavy weapon(trident in the 2d era, sword in the 3d era) and dark magic. He does not even feel like a warlock, let alone Ganondorf. The energy ball is just a signature attack that is the most obvious missing thing. And i don't eve think the Falcondorf moveset should be removed. Some people really like it. It could be given to a character that suit it instead. Black Shadow is the most obvious option, but it would only make sense if F-Zero is rebooted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Flere210 said: No, but for decloned i was mostly saying that he is an heavily reworked Falcondorf, but still Falcondorf. He still brawl for no reason, while every version of the character used a combination of an heavy weapon(trident in the 2d era, sword in the 3d era) and dark magic. He does not even feel like a warlock, let alone Ganondorf. The energy ball is just a signature attack that is the most obvious missing thing. And i don't eve think the Falcondorf moveset should be removed. Some people really like it. It could be given to a character that suit it instead. Black Shadow is the most obvious option, but it would only make sense if F-Zero is rebooted. The character hasn't at all resembled Cpt Falcon since Brawl though. Look at a comparison between their attacks. They are completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flere210 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 It's not that it is like Falcon, it's that is not like Ganondorf. No matter how much you change the attacks, they are stil punches, kicks, and grapples, thing that Ganondorf never used in over a dozen of Zelda games. To me it will never be fully decloned untill his moves got changed to different moves entirely. Sorry if i used a definition of decloning different than what is commonly used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Flere210 said: It's not that it is like Falcon, it's that is not like Ganondorf. No matter how much you change the attacks, they are stil punches, kicks, and grapples, thing that Ganondorf never used in over a dozen of Zelda games. To me it will never be fully decloned untill his moves got changed to different moves entirely. Sorry if i used a definition of decloning different than what is commonly used. Decloning means making something not a clone. Ganondorf is not a clone. Therefore it is not an accurate word. He was decloned in Brawl. Also Ganondorf's smash attacks use a sword. Edited January 21, 2020 by Jotari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Um, guys? I think we're going off topic of the thread. Please take any Falcondorf discourse to the General Discussion thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH0D Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) I just want Leon 😭 Tbh I don't really care as long as it's not some super weird thing, and even then that's subjective and I'll always be happy for the people that wanted that character. I honestly just really want them to go back to doing involved character trailers. Stuff like Hero's where it's preexisting smash bros things happening and it's not obvious and let's you speculate a bit. While I was happy with Byleth I really disliked the trailer, that was my main issue, I think it sucked, though I am happy for the character. Edited January 21, 2020 by CH0D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingle Jangle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I expect for wave 2: another Pokemon representative from Sword and Shield Two newcomers from upcoming games A semi unknown pick from the S/NES library Xenoblade representative another Capcom or Sega character Trying to play it safe, just in case my expectations becomes too grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSSKG151 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Personally, I'm satisfied with getting Joker and Byleth in the first DLC fighter pass. They can add whoever they want and I wouldn't care but I guess if they wanted me to spend more money on Ultimate seeing any of these characters would get me excited. Phoenix Wright from Ace Attorney KOS-MOS from Xenosaga Ragna from Blazblue Nightmare from Soulcaliber Ezio from Assassin Creed Either Estelle or Rean from Falcom's Trails series As for an actual prediction I think we will get at least one first party character in the season 2 pass but I doubt it will be a third rate character like Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, etc. like people are wishing for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, NSSKG151 said: Personally, I'm satisfied with getting Joker and Byleth in the first DLC fighter pass. They can add whoever they want and I wouldn't care but I guess if they wanted me to spend more money on Ultimate seeing any of these characters would get me excited. Phoenix Wright from Ace Attorney KOS-MOS from Xenosaga Ragna from Blazblue Nightmare from Soulcaliber Ezio from Assassin Creed Either Estelle or Rean from Falcom's Trails series As for an actual prediction I think we will get at least one first party character in the season 2 pass but I doubt it will be a third rate character like Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, etc. like people are wishing for. Oh boy. I agree with you, but that's not going to sit well with some here. Also, I rather like your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSSKG151 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Etheus said: Oh boy. I agree with you, but that's not going to sit well with some here. Also, I rather like your list. Not just here, I have seen people wishing for those kinds of characters just about everywhere and it is sad to see people call foul about their absent but really characters like Bandana Dee and Dixie Kong fit better as base roster additions because it makes more sense business wise to sell protagonists (whether they are first or third party) of highly acclaimed games or recent games than supporting members of first party games. Also thanks, I don't have high expectations of any characters on my list getting in but I at least tried to be realistic of who could be a DLC character this time around out of the long list of characters I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Strategist Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Who do I think will be included? No idea. I've learned that Sakurai's a master of faking us out so unless I can teleport to his side and read his mind, I couldn't begin to predict within reason. As for who I'd like, that's an easy one. Dante Sora I literally don't care about the rest. Do as you will with the remaining 4 slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'm expecting Crash Bandicoot, a Tekken character, and a Pokemon Sword/Shield rep for the next fighter pass. Really I just want Crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 17 hours ago, CH0D said: I just want Leon 😭 Tbh I don't really care as long as it's not some super weird thing, and even then that's subjective and I'll always be happy for the people that wanted that character. I honestly just really want them to go back to doing involved character trailers. Stuff like Hero's where it's preexisting smash bros things happening and it's not obvious and let's you speculate a bit. While I was happy with Byleth I really disliked the trailer, that was my main issue, I think it sucked, though I am happy for the character. Got to agree with this. The trailer was pretty underwhelming compared to previous ones. I liked Solon in it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Anyways, for my wishlist, I’m hoping for/expecting a mix of 1st and 3rd party characters in this pass, so my picks are: 1. Crash Bandicoot 2. Adeleine and Ribbon 3. Sora 4. Sirfetch’d 5. Ring Fit Adventurer 6. Arle Nadja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguard333 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 11:40 AM, Flere210 said: It's not that it is like Falcon, it's that is not like Ganondorf. No matter how much you change the attacks, they are stil punches, kicks, and grapples, thing that Ganondorf never used in over a dozen of Zelda games. To me it will never be fully decloned untill his moves got changed to different moves entirely. Sorry if i used a definition of decloning different than what is commonly used. Link from the Wind Waker gives a look that says, “Really; never? Are you sure?” Anyway, I would definitely like to see Ganondorf’s moveset no longer be derived from Captain Falcon and instead be something derived from things he’s known for doing in Zelda. Going back to the six DLC Fighters, I can’t think of six characters I think will be the next six fighters. But, I can think of a few characters of which I think it would be cool to see at least one of them in the fighter pass: Welkin Gunther/Claude Wallace (Valkyria Chronicles 1/4) Adol Christin (Ys) Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X), ideally revealed in a trailer where it seems like Rex will be the fighter, only for it to be Shulk wearing the Rex Mii Costume, and then Elma shows up. Captain Toad (Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker) Edelgard (Fire Emblem: Three Houses) in the trailer, she asks Byleth, “Why did you steal my axe, Professor? I would’ve let you borrow it, if you had asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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