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Fucking hell I'm getting a lot of flak for pointing out Anacybele's ridiculous argument that belittles the intelligence of American children. I've said enough about this and clarified my position into the total opposite of what you accuse me of before you even made your post. I won't be further attacked for something I didn't mean (and have even already apologised for the misunderstanding). Since I don't want to further this in the thread if there is still an issue then just PM me and I will be co-operative. Back on topic: about the cooking issue. Being a Brit I've always used grams and millilitres (on top of teaspoons/tablespoons) when cooking, until this year when I bought a cookbook with cup measurements in. In some ways, I sort of prefer cups as a measurement because it doesn't require scales. It's just a little more convenient. On the other hand, it's less precise but hey - cooking isn't an exact science anyway. So on this end I would say that imperial is better for cooking. But there's no reason why we can't use imperial for cooking whilst using metric for everything else. Also, another very minor point in favour of imperial: road signs. Often speed limit signs in Europe will be >100 kph, which is 1 extra character that needs to be printed compared to imperial, where the speed limits rarely exceed 100. :P

Please calm down. You explicitly said that American children would struggle with metric, despite the fact that the rest of the world doesn't. What else is that implying, other than that American children aren't as capable? Sorry for misgendering you. I guess you stuck in my mind as more masculine than feminine xD

I don't personally think that American children are dumb, I was just making explicit what Anacybele was implying. Take your beef to him for implying your kids can understand pound and foot but would struggle with kilogram and kilometre (which I think they'd be perfectly capable of, just like every other kid in the world) /me shrugs. Even if it took children an extra couple of months to understand metric system, I still think it would be worth it for the intuitiveness and versatility that metric offers. Imperial terms are good for shorthand everyday stuff when necessary but as the primary system I think they fall short of metric.

Maybe American children are as dumb as you make them out to be. The children of almost every other country in the world are quite capable, however, of learning metric.

Okay, fair enough, I wasn't aware of those differences. Both systems, however, are easy enough for a young child to learn. In Britain we basically have to learn both. Metric is more intuitive, but I'll grant you that imperial measurements are all simple and quick to say. Metric, however, is more extendable, and by making the whole system metric, it makes it easier for children to go into science rather than being required to learn an entirely new measurement system. It's a minor point, though. I don't really think it's necessary for the Americans to switch systems, other than just to follow suit with the rest of the world. But in a number of ways metric is easier and makes it easier on kids learning. Just don't do it how we have done it in Britain and end up with having to learn both systems. EDIT: Millilitres/litres and grams is used for all of them, but writing pint, teaspoon, tablespoon, cup is often useful shorthand. I didn't have a measuring cup until I was 18, though, it's rarely used in Britain. Just look at any British/European cookbook or online recipe and you'll see what I mean.

From my understanding of American science, you guys do use metric. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's in everyday usage, and in non-scientific fields such as architecture, that imperial is used the most, if not exclusively. As for metric's flaws - beyond the fact that base 10 doesn't have many divisors compared to 12 or 60, what are they? Do you not think that the supposed flaws you perceive might merely be due to using metric in a country that doesn't use it, as opposed to flaws with the system itself? If I had to guess at why the USA hasn't switched yet, I'd say it's because no-one wants to. You're all used to your imperial system and you have no pressing need to change because people will happily convert for you in order to work with the Americans. If the USA was ever not at the forefront of the world, then I think it'll end up being pressured into switching in order to boost trade and such. Once again leading back to my cultural domination argument. Also, fine, sorry, I'll refrain from that sort of language.

You learn two lists for metric: Prefixes (these ones are every day usage)): kilo- (1000) - (1) centi- (1/100) milli- (1/1000) Suffixes (once again, every day measurements): -metre (length, area and volume) -gram (weight) -litre (fluid volume) That's it. Seven terms. One of which isn't even any letters, it's just the absence of them. Here's everyday imperial measurements: Length/area/volume - pica, inch (6 picas), foot (12 inches), yard (3 foot), mile (1760 yards) Weight - ounces, pounds (16 ounces), stone (14 pounds) Fluid volume - cup, pint (2 cups), gallon (8 pints) That's 11 terms, with zero consistency between the multiples of measurements nor in the naming of the measurements. You're factually wrong to think that imperial is easier to learn, unless you consider connecting prefixes and suffixes to be a difficult task. Look, this is the issue. You're comparing the everyday measurements of imperial to the scientific measurements of metric, of which the latter exists vastly many more, and of which they are vastly more niche. This is simply ridiculous. Tell me honestly - do you really use Watts or Newtons or Joules or Lumens etc. almost every day? As much as you use inches? I doubt you do, so it's literally no surprise that you don't remember them. But that doesn't mean the metric system itself is hard to remember, it just means you personally struggle to remember things you don't use often.

Whilst it's not really true that the UK goes for imperial any more (we only use it for milk, alcohol, and road signs - and in everyday conversation human heights and weights too) I think you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head for why the USA hasn't moved over. The reason is simple, the USA is a dominant cultural power, so it can do what it likes. It has never had to switch to metric because people will adjust themselves into imperial measurements, just for the USA. It's also why Britain still uses a bit of imperial - it was a cultural power but now that the Empire has collapsed it's gradually subsumed into Europe, and forced to picked up a lot of the culture that goes with it - including metric measurements. All this syllable and hard to remember BS is beating around the bush from an American centric viewpoint. When you are taught metric from a young age, just as you are taught imperial in the USA, it sticks in your mind. Not to mention that provided you know the prefixes in metric, you can generally work out about 9 different levels of a brand new unit you've found - not so in imperial, you'd have to memorise every name and every multiple of the previous that goes with it. As others mentioned, they'll shorten it. In fact my Dad, who only works in kitchen design, says 'mil' all the time. Referring back to my Dad, bearing in mind he was born and raised in a time before metric was the law in the UK, it can't be that hard if you need to learn it. Thing is, you don't, so you don't bother. Which is fine - not gonna bash you for it, but seriously don't say you have good memory then proceed to say you can't remember metric which is so goddamn easy if you put the effort in to remember compared to imperial. It's not even that imperial's hard, but when metric is consistent in prefixes across ALL units, and only the suffixes change (and they're fairly simple), in addition to knowing they're all various multiples of 10 or 1000, it's hard to believe that that's harder than learning 5 different multiples and names for length, then 6 different multiples and names for weight, then 5 different multiples and names for volume etc.

Yeah I actually felt the same about the PTA. I just fever timed through all of them because it simply didn't work properly. But the Hangman's Gambit was actually fun and tense (DR1's version was a waste of time), sword game was fun, logic dive could have been harder but it's better than having Kyouko spoonfeed it; and then the manga game was a lot less about guessing wth the clues meant and more about filling in the gaps. I'd rather the manga game was gone entirely but it wasn't too bad this time around. I think I preferred the nonstop debates in DR1 for being a little harder on time limits, but I can't remember. The "confirm truth" was neat but wish they used it more. They also didn't use weak point lock on much in DR2, compared to DR1, I don't really have an opinion on whether it was a good thing or not. But more diversity doesn't hurt.

Interesting, I felt the opposite about knowing the cases. I had figured out the culprits or what happened in every case in the first game, but the only obvious cases in the second game were the first and fifth imo. About the whole games, I think that the primary character cast (as in, Makoto/Kyouko/Byakuya vs Hajime/Chiaki/Nagito) this time around was way better than last time. Hajime >>>> Makoto, Chiaki > Kyouko (although Chiaki wasn't that great either) and Nagito is the best character across both games' casts. Can't really diss Byakuya since he was the redeeming part of DR1's primary characters. On the other hand, DR2's secondary characters were weaker. I only cared (as in, had an opinion about) for Fuyuhiko, Nekomaru, Akane and Twogami - as opposed to only not caring about Yasuhiro, Sayaka and Leon in the first game (and even tbf, the latter two died first so there wasn't much to see of them). As mentioned in reply to the quote above, I think the mysteries this time around were a lot better constructed. They weren't obvious, and the final pieces of the puzzle wasn't BS like in a couple cases of the first game. Although, I am of course talking about the mysteries, of which cases 5 and 6 were not. This pretty much brings me to the main problem I have with DR2, which is just that the main story sucks in comparison to the first game. There's no atmosphere, it goes into "wtf is going on" territory and the fact that I spent case 6 pressing A for 5 hours without ANY mystery solving (because it's either obvious or you're spoonfed it during the "investigation") just made the endgame feel like it was meandering and full of text for the sake of it. Case 5 was very obvious, and whilst the Thanatos Gambit was nice and the only unexpected part, it doesn't really excuse how obvious the whole setup was. I also want to just special mention case 3 for having such a great premise. And then totally falling flat once the second murder gets revealed. Seriously after that point the story/motive becomes downright meh and the mystery becomes boring. Thankfully the game picks up again with case 4, but damn that was kinda a low point. The first game felt lonely, like you were up against a terrifying foe. Case 5 had me on the edge of my seat. Case 6 was tough and figuring out the answer felt great, and then you win in the end but with a big question mark over what exactly you won. The second game is none of this, pretty much the moment Nagito dies the quality of the game drastically lowers. So despite the fact the mysteries and gameplay of DR2 are better, I think that DR1 is better. Does anyone else feel the same?

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