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lol, I knew it. At least a title,damn.

Well it's never too late for that, so don't give up just yet.

Makes sense. Let's hope they confirm something.

No problem. Here's the other one.

Okay. Makes sense now. So he doesn't need one then?

Well I'd rather have no remake than a bad one. Hopefully they get it right. There's Zane's and then there's this. I'm not sure how far along either of them are but hopefully they're done or at least close to being so.

Well given the minimalist attitude, they likely won't. I like them as well although many people seem not to. I think a rescue command would be able to please everybody. Trading probably won't be added, and the reason being is that FE4's theme is inheritance. I'm sure you've done your research but you'll understand even better once you progress. To be honest, I don't think IS or Nintendo like Judgral. Kaga was more heavily involved here, and they don't even respect him enough to mention his name. The director of Echoes showed zero signs of interest and skipped to Binding Blade. Oh and in regard to FE5, I believe there was a translation patch released recently, I'll check on that for you.

You mentioned Grima's Truth, which certainly suggests Major and Minor blood. So confused right now. Why does Future Grima (I guess that's who that was) have the same body as MU?

They were never bad. I'm a bit afraid for Jugdral to be perfectly honest, but we'll see. And if you like the Grimleal theory, check out his other stuff. Awakening revisions are his forte.

Sure, but if this theory is correct, then FE4 style blood does apply here, which raises even more questions. Isn't he in MU's body though? I hope you know what I'm talking about because Awakening's time travel BS is confusing as hell.

I don't understand. I know this is the internet and you never really know how someone is feeling but I'll say it since I must. I was not angered or offended, I was trying my best to explain my reason for posting this topic. I was saying that I'm well aware that this is my opinion (something I tried very hard to do with the first post and the title itself) and I want discourse, rather than the hyper-defensive knee jerk "that's just your opinion" I usually get when talking about this game, no matter where I bring it up. Rather, I was disappointed that the very first response was just that, but he did explain himself down the line. Now with Superlb, I've only spoken to him in two threads, both regarding this. He did the same thing there as he did here, which I find strange because he has a post in which he got offended when someone did the exact same thing to him, so I don't know why he doesn't understand where I'm coming from. In the last thread, he said it was because he didn't read the whole thing, and apologized. It seems that isn't the case here and he was still confused, so I'm stumped. Apparently he's going to elaborate later. The "settling for okay" bit came from people not understanding that I wasn't calling Echoes a bad game. I was confused as to why some people praise it for doing the same things as Awakening/Fates while only criticizing the latter two. I bolded the part I was saying "no" to, and I explained exactly why. It was clearly not "lol, DIs gAem suk!1", IS has been very minimalist with its approach to remakes so far. If you read the article I posted it goes into further detail. I hope you didn't feel like I was harassing you, I just wanted to know what was going on. Like, if I had pissed you off somewhere before this. I certainly understand you better, and hopefully you towards me as well. Sounds neat. Let me know how that comes along if you want to.

Alright, I finally got around to looking at this. Once again, you've managed to deliver yet another solid theory. However, I'm not sure if FE4 style blood applies here or works that way. Remember the blood bonding/drinking distinction? How do they even test it anyway? It's not like they have a regalia. And was it ever explained why Grima needed a human vessel or did I miss something?

Debates? You'd think you'd want to stay away from them then. Several times. Me viewing others as being objectively wrong (even though I actually state that I'm possibly wrong in the fucking opening), not being respectful, claiming neither side is listening to the other despite it clearly not being the case (you even said it yourself in your post, so it was largely directed towards me), it being a waste time even though I'm actually getting something out of it and hopefully others are too..... You don't have that much history so it was pretty easy to spot. Took no more than 5 minutes, so "fixation" is real strong. I saw you said you were in the process of getting a book done, so maybe then if it's good. What's it about? I just wanted to know why you felt like getting me into trouble.

Agreed. This cast was definitely more tame, but I wouldn't describe them as "colorful". Do you seriously think that Revelation has worse gameplay than Gaiden? I mean come on, I know it's cool to hate this game but it only has a few bad chapters just like any other FE. The only thing I can think of is the ice shoveling and Sumeragi one. It was quite a decent challenge on Lunatic. I'm hoping you explain yourself sometime this week. I did a bit of ᶜʳᵉᵉᵖᶦᶰ on you and found that this isn't the first you've tried mini modding. Only one of those cases was justified. So is this like a hobby or something? "Settle down, children"? You trying to become a mod? It's like you're wearing some sort of glasses that only let you read the most abrasive bits while completely ignoring everything else. You then resort to outright lying.

Wow, the drought is real. I know how you feel.

* Are you talking about Beowolf? Levin and Sylvia should be saving the villages while you're doing that. Ferry doesn't appear until you conquer Anphony, which is well after Voltz's squad. I personally kill Macbeth with Levin for the Shield Ring and the Return him to Evans with Ethlyn after conquering. What are you having trouble with? * Resire has the OP ability to leech health. Julia wrecks with it, and Linoan shouldn't be on front lines anyway. Bolganone is only available in the penultimate chapter in FE4 and does not appear in Thracia. (though it is coded) Who's even trying to use it? Sety or Arthur get Forseti and the former wrecks with anything you give him. Tinny has Wrath, and will be one shotting anything with low Res and comes with Thoron (with prior kills on it, hopefully) Thoron is only 7 in FE4, 9 in FE5, and has 20 Crt in the latter. Tornado weighs 2 in FE4, so you have to be talking about FE5. It has only 10 uses anyway. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that it and Thoron in FE5 along with Bolganone in FE4 are meant to be enemy only. This is definitely the case with Jormungand, as it is not available without hacking in FE4, and is only usable by Salem in FE5. He gets other magics than Dark, and he's the only one able to use Fenrir, which makes up for the fact that he can't poison with Jormungand (I don't know why the game won't let him) However, it's not easy to get him to A Rank in Dark, but if he does he gets the best long range spell in the game. * Yeah that kinda sucks * I just don't understand why you only have a problem with stave hit rate. You also seem to be forgetting that Vulneraries are Elixirs in this game.

You've missed the entire point of the topic.

Trying to lecture me on the fact that what I stated is my opinion as if I didn't know that certainly implies arrogance or stupidity on my part. I never said that there was nothing else to like about SOV, I said the graphics were the only thing that was "great". I do feel like the people who hate Fates for doing the same thing as Echoes while praising the latter are hypocrites. You seem to be confusing "contrived" and "convoluted". What did Sephiran actually do other than aid Ashnard? I keep seeing people saying this lately. Never said it was. It's just that people hate Corrin for being "The Chosen One" but not Alm. Really now? The "I'm ready to kill in your name" bit just didn't happen huh? Sorry about that I meant ojou not tsundere, and I was referring to Claire. Like what? The only thing I can think of is being too nice, which he does get called out on. This isn't much of a thing in Birthright. And what growth are you speaking of? Alm is exactly the same from start to finish, other going from a peasant to a king. 1. By who exactly? She's on the other side of Sophia with a crew that consists of priests,sellswords, and foreigners. None of them give a damn about the Deliverance or the Sofian royal family. 2. Except Judah intended to kill them all and made no secrets of it. 3.Yeah, they would and should have. Why the fuck would Judah free the only one capable of stopping him anyway? Please link me. Don't be so hard on yourself, you did fine. I definitely understand where people like you are coming from. He states that Doma enjoys suffering or something to that effect, but from what we know of him pre-madness, this isn't him at all. Wouldn't the whole hell on earth thing work better with him the way he was during the game? Judah's entire sect seem to worship post-degeneration Doma rather than pre. If you can't see why it's bad to just gloss over something like that, I don't know what to say. Really? Because Judah and the dark priests are seen on screen summoning them. He even calls a Mogall cute. I will make a new thread for that one. The most obvious one being a explanation for exactly what the faiths believe and their customs. What the fuck are you talking about?

I actually want to play this.

I don't get it. The monsters and shit are there because of him. What exactly is he afraid of again? Why is he trying to heal Doma if what he wants is much easier with him degenerated? I think he'd be better if he were simply power hungry. My friend @omegaxis1 has an interesting theory regarding the Grimleal. He was actually partially correct, as evidenced by Heroes. Maybe Validar will get some characterization in the future as well. Well at least he has a backstory. Again, what's the deal with his children? No.

Except it does, I've explained how multiple times. Not 100% identical, but not really any better. My point is that I see people like Echoes for doing something the same way as Fates does and hating the latter. You and a select few have said this, but that's extremely mild compared to what I've been seeing.

That's a topic for another day but, the issues did not start with Awakening. It's not fair to compare Fates world building to anything because it lacks it completely. Not hard to outdo that, but Echoes leaves many unanswered questions, too many for a game that's supposed to expand Gaiden further and ultimately puts SOV on the same level as Gaiden in that regard.This is another topic too but for example, what are the religious practices of the faiths? You're telling me they made an in game calender (that adds nothing) but couldn't do something as simple as this? You wanna tell me how Judah is any different from Validar? And Gharnef is actually a decent villain, it's a simple possession story but he gets more backstory than Judah even though he came before him. The man has three daughters and we don't know a damn thing about them or him prior to changing colors and relinquishing their souls. FE2 was a step back in many ways, and SOV does little to improve it. I understand this completely, great summary. It's worse. I don't hate SOV, I just don't understand the hype. I understand this too, and it summarizes how I feel. I've said this before, people were so used to terribleness that anything marginally better is a godsend. I don't think we should settle for "okay".

Hey there, good to see you in here. I have said that the graphics from battle animations to character portraits are great. It's true that this game has more shades of gray, especially in the Gods' case. And that Fernand had the potential to be a great character (they should have saved him for a different game). It's a shame that the other half of his character is locked behind DLC. But I don't agree on Berkut or Judah. The former doesn't do anything all game but whine about how awesome Alm is, making him overall an accessory to Alm rather than his own character. He then goes on to sacrifice his lover (who isn't a real character either but an accessory to an accessory) in exchange for power and still loses, lol. After this, we're still supposed to feel sorry for him and Rinea forgives him and they go to heaven together or something. Ew. And about that power thing, Rigel seems to want itself to be meritocracy but Berkut is fundamentally opposed to that, instead believing in birthright. And he's proven to be correct because Alm beats him solely due to the fact his blood is more special. As for Judah, you gotta help me here man. How in the world is Judah not evil? Okay. Should have put this up there initially. Here's an article that more or less says what I think of this game. Oddly, it seems to be the only one. http://killapenguin.com/gamereviews/fireemblemechoesshadowsofvalentia/ And honestly, do I need to go into Awakening/Fates issues for the millionth time? I'm sure everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about, especially the latter because it's shit on religiously in most FE communities. Like I wanna know, why do people hate Corrin but love Alm when they're nearly identical? The fact the you insulted me by saying that I was arrogant enough to believe that my word is law even though I made it perfectly what I was doing was enough for me. Maybe "hostile" isn't entirely accurate? How do you like "knee jerk"? - I have agreed with this. - I have addressed Berkut and Judah above with @omegaxis1. By the way, he's identical to Validar. Let me just tell you this now, there is no way you can convince me that Rudolph's plan wasn't the most contrived bullshit. You can try, it'd be entertaining at least. Even the most ardent fans of this title concede with me there. - Colorful how? Alm is one the most boring lords in the series. They did a good job with his village friends, yes. Honestly, their gang would be better off without Alm, who's an attention sponge and is "The Chosen One". Tobin outright tells Alm to his face that he's inferior to him in a fashion that even Corrin's games lack. And why the hell can't Alm support with anything of them save for Faye of all people? We've also got a loli, a yandere, a tsundere, whatever the hell Forsyth's trope is called... People would have hated Mae is she was a Fates character. I'm basically saying this game has its fair share of "anime". The rest are pretty tame though, like Lukas, but it's not enough to save this game. - I'll say this as mildly as I can, the "dorkiness", as you put it, appeals to very "specific" audience. Not accusing you of anything or insulting, but I lack the specific wording to describe it. You either get it or you don't. You're correct that a character doesn't need massive flaws to be good, but Alm does not feel human at all. He's just as inhumanly compassionate and perfect as Corrin, but at least Corrin has not being entirely human on their side. And Echoes Celica's actions are inexcusable. There is nothing subtle about Judah at all, and I would have no complaints if had at least employed some form of deception. Can you tell me for what reason was she being secretive? It's exactly like Azura. I have to admit, I am glad to see that people do call out Celica , even the ardent fans. Humans are stupid many times, but Celica is borderline retarded, like actually. What's worse is that it's a step down from the original, she was one of the few characters that subverted the damsel thing. SOV decides not only to give her damsel status but amp it up to 10 by creating Conrad. You say people give them to much flack but that's only directed towards Celica, while people love Alm. Oh yes, I'm well aware. This is coming from someone who likes Gaiden, I have occasional cravings for pain you see. I actually just beat Gaiden for the ?th time yesterday, which inspired this topic. You haven't quite yet, but you could get somewhere with a future post. I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to talk with me about this.

Go into detail please. The title literally says, "I Need Help Understanding Something". I also said, Now this isn't the first time you've misunderstood me regarding this but last time it was because you said you didn't read. If this applies here as well please do.

I've said something to this effect before. XD, that's funny. You know, the fact that the title of this thread is "I Need Help Understanding Something" indicates to most people (I hope) that I want someone to change my mind or at least make me reconsider, naturally meaning I know it's my opinion and that other people do not share it. Be a good sport and actually tell me why you think the way you do instead getting hostile like most people every time I criticize this game, yeah?