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FYI, if you don't have an opinion on someone, just don't include them in your reads list. @Ichigo Thoughts on Fenrir?

cheers, i'll drink to that bro

It's kmore of a gut read but uh...I'd expect more conflict there if everyone was town. Like, FMPOV, Claire/Dusk were arguing with each other, you agreed w/Dusk's points but thought that they were NAI, Fenrir agreed with Dusk's points but stood on the side, and Supa agreed with Claire's points but he was picking at you instead (it didn't really feel like he was pressuring Dusk). I don't know how to elaborate on this more even though it definitely needs it.

Okay, read everything and I'm definitely on the money WRT Fenrir. Like, he asks people questions about things but it doesn't feel like he's getting anything out of those questions or has like...any reads, which is scummy considering the amount of interactions he's had. Duskfall is probably town sorry for my bullshit BTW. Not really from his responses to me (I can see town jumping there just as easily as scum, so that part doesn't change my read on him), but on my reread I liked how his thought process on Claire changes from the rest of his posts; doesn't feel forced to me. Interested in seeing Mitsuru's read progression on Duskfall because that'll help my read on her. No one else really stands out. @weinerboy What's your actual read on Nuxl? Asking because he's a null for me, but you seem to be bothered by him and also aren't voting him so...pretty good question on my part IMO. ##Unvote ##Vote: @Fenrir Aesir

TO CLARIFY, I don't think the questioning itself was bad or scummy just the timing of it I don't get.

Yeah, pretty much. Nah, I'm moreso thinking that you could have waited until I responded and then Mitsuru explained herself before questioning her. @Magnificence Incarnate What did you think about the interactions on the last few pages? It kind of felt...too clean to me? And I don't know if it's like scum buddying town or scum forcing interactions with each other but it feels like scum was in there. My first guess is Fenrir but HMU if you think there's anyone different. (still rereading will vote then)

@ULTRA PRODIGY NUXL Not late but the only SFers here are Athena, Roxas (I don't think he's played a mafia game here before though), Flee Flight (has played one game before, I don't remember the game but SB probably should), Marth, me, and Shinori. Marth is really good, Shinori is decent but can be tunnely as town (better as scum IMO), and my low self esteem prevents me from praising myself ask Marth if you want to know how good I am heh. That's fine but surely you would have gotten more if I responded and she explained her line of questioning? Like...I'm not seeing the town benefit here.

In the last game, someone townread me because I invited them and someone else townread me because my pfp was hot. So uh...that's the kind of forum you're playing on haha. You don't need too, which is why I'm not really scumreading you for it yet. I want to know what your thought process was there before making any conclusions. In particular, I'm wondering why you wanted to pressure her before I made a response.

Actually, this isn't related to Duskfall at all so I can just say it now but the one who's bothering me the most is Fenrir. I should make sure that I'm not being an idiot here but from my first read, it felt like he was commenting on the situation regarding Duskfall/Claire a lot but never felt like he was committing to any opinions. Going to vote there if he doesn't look better on a reread.

I've "read' (skimmed through) everything. Anyways, I don't get why you pressed her initially then. If you thought her questioning of me was scummy then I'd get it, but right now it seems like you attacked her because ???.

WAIT NO COME BACK

@Mitsuru Kirijo That uh was my explanation. I didn't put any more thought into it haha. I don't think people questioning me on it is bad; I would be bothered if people scumread me for it (unless it made sense from their point of view I guess), but I never got that impression so whatever. @Duskfall98 Are you scumreading Mitsuru or Ichigo? Or rather, were you when you defended me since I'm just noticing a vote on her now. Fire Fleet is a new player, people should skim his last game because IMO his logic here is not particularly alignment indicative EVEN THOUGH I think it's bad.

I didn't read any posts when I posted that. Turns out I missed nothing! @Magnificence Incarnate You better carry me this game too BTW. :ok_hand:

SORRY I FORGOT THAT GAME STARTED Uh ##Vote: Fenrir

/in

Another game carried by me.

Not gonna lie, I've been playing video games instead of playing this game. I'm just going to sheep Marth until I reread, which might be a while. What are the votals? How much time is left? ##Unvote ##Vote: @Ichigo

I'm not going off of meta here cause I've never had a great meta read on Bart's alignment personally. I'm uh assuming he was town in Training. What do you think about my other points? Kind of reluctant to drop this read because it's my strongest conviction in this game and I'm reading most of the playerbase as null (not even town!!). It's okay if you drive me crazy as long as you're town. Just ask Conq.

I thought Evan was in this game and was like "Evan lurking hard is pretty scummy" until I checked the OP hahaha. I think most people have done enough for me to have some impression on them (not like...a read but I can explain where their head is at) except Dunn and Jordan. @Fenrir Aesir Please get Jordan to post help.

I think that's scummy haha. You do you, though.

I don't think being self conscious is that scummy because of stuff like this but it's what bothers me the second most (and Bartozio has enough pressure). Thanks, boss. Hell yeah I am.

##Unvote ##Vote: @Ampharos

Marth's initial post pinged me (just because it reminded me of his X-Site post) but I've settled into a null read on him after his explanations which seemed fine to me.

This is all the reasoning you need for an ED1 vote, but I don't get why you haven't voted based on this. Feels like you're trying to gauge the general consensus before voting her. I don't think that always comes from scum but it's pretty self conscious. FTR, I didn't get any read off of Claire's RVS posts. Not responding to Amy's read initially bothers me. Just a minor thing, wouldn't vote on it alone. What bothers me more is that your progression on Claire doesn't read as natural to me. You pressed Amy on her read and then switched your vote to Claire because you didn't really have anything else to press Amy on. I don't know how to explain it, I feel like...town in this situation would be more willing to agree to disagree, even if they weren't bothered by Amy. I don't get why you're scumreading Claire. Also his Weiner read doesn't have much thought IMO. Saying "we should look at him if Claire flips scum" just because he defended Claire feels very surface level to me, especially considering he's voting Claire. I might be nitpicking here because I think if he said "I wouldn't townread him if Claire flipped scum" it wouldn't bother me because I don't see an agenda there. He's the Jeigan, here to carry us early game before dying N1. @Athena_57 Can you reevaluate your Bartozio read? It's fine if you don't think he's scummy any more, but my impression from your unvote was that it was a kneejerk reaction to him being wagoned. @Magnificence Incarnate Can you explain why Bartozio's posts are gamesolvey? I got that impression from Athena but not from Bart. @Shinori If you could uh further explain your feelings on Amy, that'd be cool. @Vi-astra Can you explain why Bart explaining himself made you feel better? I think your point about Amy being self conscious meta wise is good. It reads to me as her not wanting to be scumread for a dumb reason (e.g. my actually nonexistent meta knowledge of Amy lmao). I'm kind of conflicted on who to vote because I think what Bartozio is doing is worse than what Amy is doing but like uh...I could see myself mislynching Bartozio more easily than Amy. PEdit: Well now I'm voting Amy just because Bart already has a wagon. @weinerboy For the record, Amy is right in that I have no idea what her meta is. ##Unvote ##Vote: Ampharos