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Hell, go a step further, give them a unique class tied to their identities as Saints exclusive on this route. Already said this in the initial post but hell, let's explore it again. Since you don't fight at Gronder in SS at the behest of Seteth, maybe the two of you could do recon to see what the heck just happened. What do you find? Dimitri and Claude both dead, along with a majority of the Blue Lions and Golden Deer house members assuming you didn't recruit them. This shatters the morale of the Black Eagles students. Without the Alliance and Kingdom Armies, they quite literally stand alone against the Empire's massive army. Seteth takes some time to think and reaches a decision. "Flayn, it's time." Flayn understands exactly what Seteth means by that, but asks if he's fully sure. To help this moment, give some character building between Seteth and the Black Eagles. Their supports help, but we can totally get more scenes of Seteth becoming comfortable with the Black Eagles and Byleth during the Silver Snow story. He and Flayn grab their old Saint grab, revealing their true identities as Saints. He helps to rekindle the flames of hope in the students. From there, the route proceeds as normal until we rescue Rhea. Once Rhea is healed up, she decides to take a fully active role on the battlefield, donning her old Seiros gear and then stuff at Not Area 51 happens, Nemesis is revived and both Rhea and Byleth get to team up in the CG cutscene to put Nemy down again. Boom, very very rough idea on how to make Silver Snow a better route. More character for Seteth and Flayn, playable Rhea for at least four chapters, and developing a bond of trust between the Black Eagles and Seteth that would cause Seteth to embrace his old identity as Cichol, along with switching the final bosses of VW and SS. Thank you all for coming to my TED Talk.

Okay I'm a bit confused by what you mean by this. Crimson Flower isn't the "official" route for BE. The Black Eagles are both Silver Snow and Crimson Flower. Nitpicky I know, but that's just the way it is. The pretime skip chapters mostly the same, save for character introspection from the lords, such as Dimitri digging into the Duscur incident and Claude looking into the history of Fodlan. Yes, you do have to do them all for each route, a minor compliant I have but we're getting side tracked. We're talking mainly about the post timeskip stuff. What we're discussing is the shared content between Silver Snow and Verdant Wind. While they don't share the same house, they seem to share every map save for Gronder and the final chapter. That's what we're discussing.

Silver Snow and Crimson Flower share the same house but Silver Snow shares a majority of maps with Verdant Wind save for the final one.

Wow it's been a while. Anyway I know these threads are a dime a dozen on the Three Houses section, I think I even made one at one point when the game was just out, but let's try it anyway. So I saw some of Silver Snow and yeah, the biggest problem with it and VW is that they share a lottttt of stuff. Not that it's really bad, but it's really annoying if you just beat VW and all you really get technically is just a boss against Rhea. I don't hate it, I still love the game regardless of the slight route inbreeding and length of Crimson Flower, but let's just ask, how would you improve Silver Snow? Me? I think would've either focused on Seteth and Flayn or on Byleth exclusively. From what I gather, having just beat VW, people are saying one problem is that the route tries to have both Byleth and Seteth as your "lords". Byleth for the action and Seteth for the Claude stand in. I think this could have been mitigated a bit if Byleth actually had been fully voiced, though that would've taken more effort to have Byleth be able to chime in during cutscenes and Supports, so I feel like fleshing out Seteth and Flayn more would've been a good compromise. Sure we get a Paralogue for them, but if Silver Snow is where they play more of a role, I think they should have the spot light more compared to Byleth. I'm not fantastic at writing on the fly, but how about a scene where the decked is stacked against the Black Eagles even harder than usual. Have Claude AND Dimitri die without any doubt during the Gronder fight. The morale is low, the Alliance and the Kingdom have been wiped out and now the Black Eagles are the last ones left standing against Edelgard and the Slithery Bois. Seteth, taking some time to think, decides that it's time to break out his old armor and weapon from his days as Cichol. Flayn is obviously quite concerned her father is just basically telling Byleth and the Black Eagles their true identities, but Seteth says that desperate times call for desperate measures. Seteth explains to the Black Eagles that they are in fact the Saints Cichol and Cethleann, having been living under false names for centuries. The two and Byleth help encourage the Black Eagles to not give up, that they've still gotten this far without huge numbers. The following chapter could even be a filler chapter to gain a little extra help for the sneak attack on Enbarr, maybe saving Gilbert and adding the remaining Kingdom Army to their forces, it'd give Silver Snow another extra chapter outside of the final one. Obviously this is a bit ludicrous, just having Seteth and Flayn come out and say "Yo, we're two of the old Saints bitches.", but I would at least give them more to do than just stand in for Claude and his winning smile. Plus Silver Snow would probably need more than just one extra chapter to help it stick out from VW. But I dunno, I'm just literally throwing stuff at the wall, talking to the voices in my head and seeing what sticks. Some of you are way better writers than me, how could you fix it? Outside of giving Flayn a fucking glock that is.

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I might've mentioned that I wanted to give a 3H SI a shot before, but haven't really gotten around to the fine nitty, gritty details yet. But I have a basic outline. For context, I arrive in Fodlan, but not as me, because I'm a slightly overweight 22 year old man who probably shouldn't be a student, no I end up bodyjacking a nameless Black Eagles commoner. Because Byleth chooses Blue Lions, I have to find a way to either stop the war before it begins (a fool's errand in every sense of the phrase), or just find a way to hop onto the BL train to not die horribly. But over time, I'd get to know Edel, actually sort of become more open to her ideas and basically end up on my own Crimson Flower path. For now, I have a little snippet of what I have planned! Hopefully you enjoy what you see, and can help guide me to make this a decent fic idea. And boom, that's basically one idea I had for how Chapter 11 would be handled. It's very rough, but I figured I'd drop it, see what people think, continue if ya'll liked the idea or bin it if it's horrible and I should go hide in my room forever again-

For my first Blue Lion run...things kinda took a turn for the bad when the second to last chapter started. I already lost Sylvain and then Seteth died, followed by Flayn, Ashe and Catherine- So the endings I got were as followed -Byleth/Bernadetta. The instant I saw this little cutie, I knew she was gonna be my first S-Support. Was not disappointed, she's a legit sweetheart. -Dimitri/Dedue. One of the unexpected ones I got, but going through the trouble to make sure Dedue survives makes this worth it. Dedue for best retainer character in the series. -Mercedes/Annette. Really didn't wanna get this one, I wanted Annette to get an ending with Ashe, and then the final chapter of Blue Lions happened. It's kinda wholesome tho. -Felix/Ingrid. I really wanted Ingrid to be with Sylvain and I stand by in saying they have great chemistry in their supports, but I do like the ending between Felix and Ingrid. Man loses his sword arm for this girl, one of the things Felix always takes pride in, and he says he'd do it again just for her. Tugged at my heartstrings. The survivors ended up with solo endings.

It's hard to choose between Apex of the World and Between Heaven and Earth. They're just that good

Crimson Wyverns. Generally my house would be be focused on mounted/flying units. After all, mounted classes are so good in this game so you might as well own that shit. Pegasus Knights. Bow Knights, Wyvern Lords, even Dark Knights all are welcome here. We'd also have students focused on sneaking recon missions to take out the archers before they can spot our flying units. Our students themselves aren't limited by birthplace or even status, so you can have Empire nobles mixing in with Alliance commoners and the like. That'd be our weakness, aside from little to no magic, we have the talent to get to these amazing end game flying units of death, but students would need to overcome their own personal gripes and issues to actually cooperate. This makes it even more complicated when the time skip comes around and lines in the sand are drawn.

Among the playable units in 3H, who did you end up loving that you didn't expect to love? It can be for gameplay reasons, story reasons or both. For me, it's Raphael. Having completed his and Ignatz's paralogue in Part 1 for my GD run, Raphael should have every right to be mad at Lorenz's father for the suspect involvement in his parents' deaths, but amazingly the guy does not let it get to him. I think Raphael's come to the conclusion that while what happened to his folks was a tragedy, it was also years and years ago. He's got other things, namely his little sister, to worry about and needs to keep moving on despite what happened. Frankly I think he and Claude are among the best of the GD's characters personality wise.

That might actually be a good idea. My idea is to have the SI basically be aware of the fact that time is frozen and reversing. Think of Jojo Part 5, where Diavolo can see the blood going back from Giorno's eyes back into his own body. Here it'd work like this. Let's say I land a crit on Felix with a sword or something. As soon as Byleth reacts, I'd be able to see the Divine Pulse effect, and see time frozen around me and begin to rewind. I'm very much aware that time just reset to before Felix's death, but can't stop it. I can only force Byleth to exhaust her power. Of course this also runs the risk of Byleth realizing what I'm doing and especially post timeskip...she might not be very happy with me. One other detail is how to handle the timeskip. The plan is to basically merge Crimson Flower with Azure Moon, but I haven't gotten to Crimson Flower yet. I was going to, but then Claude seduced me with that goddamn smile of his.

Well....kinda? Despite having the emotional resonance of a snail, that is kinda the point of them, given the weird circumstances of Byleth's birth. They're still technically a character at the end o the day, but it's like Tales of Xillia 2 with Ludger, or Persona 5 with Joker. They do have characters, sort of.

Okay, so I kinda already posted a a thread like this but now I have a better idea of where to take this story idea. Self Insert. How you ask? Timey wimey BS sends me into the body of an unnamed Black Eagles commoner. I know the BEs are mainly nobles, but I think we can get away with at least one commoner. So while I'm stuck in the Black Eagles, Byleth goes and chooses the Blue Lions. So while they do their own thing, I'm off doing other monthly missions with the Eagles. It'd basically be a kind of mix of Crimson Flower from my end and Azure Moon from Byleth's end. Only issue I see so far is how do you fight a girl that basically has a limited use Killer Queen Bites the Dust?

A fair point in this regard! For context, I was trying to set up Sylvain and Ingrid and Ashe with Annette. I liked how their supports went. But then things happened, like Sylvain getting touched by Lysithea's Dark Spike and Ashe getting a healthy dose of "Fuck You" from Edelgard. Back up was to have Dimitri marry Ingrid, but then I beat the game and Dimitri and Dedue just have a wholesome bro ending. Made me kinda tear up. Felt nice despite half my army dying. And upon further reflection, I remember Fates doing this exact same thing when changing all but two of Soliel's S-Supports. Then again Gilbert and Alois have more personality in their right arm than Soliel herself does so--

Can someone explain to me why Gilbert and Alois are even S-Rank options? Like...for context, Alois and Gilbert are..married men. Yet when playing as Male Byleth, seeing an S-Rank there indicts that you'd be able to romance them, yeah? Then you do them and it's just kind of a platonic thing, giving me some Nam flashbacks to the horror that is all but two of Soliel's S-Supports. I like the option to support them, I really liked Gilbert in my Blue Lions playthrough...but I don't see the point in giving them S-Supports , I really don't. Am I missing something here?