FAQ for new members or for those who are not familiar with this forum

[Fei Mao]

.Purpose of this guide is to help new members and those not familiar with how this forum operates.

.Press Control (CTRL) + F to find a particular section. (TOC will be added later if more info is needed)

.If any FE debaters are reading this please explain the net worth, utility, and debating in tier lists and how you heavily you grade a unit based on those criteria.

.Feel free to post anything I have missed.

More info will be added later if needed.

Rules and General Information

General Information FAQ

General FAQ

In addition to the General FAQ

.Avoid hotlinking since not only you are stealing the server's bandwith (the amount of data allowed to be send on the server) some server have anti hotlinking pictures which replaces the image you have posted, most of the time really undesirable pictures. (aka copy an image location without uploading it to a image server site such as photobucket).

(Hotlinking isn't against the rules but it's still recommended that you avoid doing it since there have been times where an anti-hotlinking measure has gotten a user in trouble here.)

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Rules of this forum.

Please read the rules so you don't experience any unnecessary warns.

Rules of the forum

Posting on Fire Emblem Sections

Serenes Forest has its own method when discussing about Fire Emblem therefore it's essential to read this first to be familiar with this forum, of course you are still entitled to your opinions.

If a question topic you are attempting to make can be found somewhere on this site, try not to post the topic unless if you need to discuss something about it. EX:http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=23497 doesn't need to be made instead the person could've searched http://www.serenesforest.net/fe4/location.html.

This forum discusses how good a character is based on these criteria:

.Average Stats: Basically the probable outcome of a character's stats when he or she reaches a particular level. It's not 100% true that a character would always have the stats average stats displayed, it's used to determine if you character would be deemed unusable, or RNG blessed. Debaters would use the average stats of a character and a choice of weapon and compare it to an the enemies stats in a level to prove a point about a character.

.Growth Rates (Basically the percentage for a character to receive a stat up in certain stats). Despite the stat ups being in percentages the game uses a RNG system (Random Number Generator) to determine which stat gets up, which can sometimes results as a character being RNG screwed meaning where they get horrible level ups and deemed unusable, or RNG blessed where a character gains great level ups surpassing the assumed average stats.

.Base Stats (The initial stats of a character when he or she joins.) While character's growth are considered, a character with high base stats and good or decent growths are considered better than a character with high growths and low bases. Since if a character with high base stat gets bad level ups they won't be affected as much compared to a character with high growths and low bases. If a unit has high base but poor growths they would be considered decent till their worth expires.

.Joining Time/Availability (How long till a particular character joins hence why characters like Nino and Est are considered bad due to their late join time and base stats. Availability is how long a character is available to contribute to the team, if a character can contribute to the team longer they are considered better than characters who have little play time despite his or her high stats.)

.Weapon Ranks/Variety (If a character can wield more weapon variety and can counter from 1-2 range they are considered better)

.Hard mode or the highest difficulty is always assumed when discussing a character's worth. (Unless if a FE game doesn't have difficulty selections)

.Contribution to the team: Basically how well they help the player's team units like Marcus (except for FE6 Marcus), Seth, and Titania are considered the best character in their respective games despite being a pre-promote due to the facts that they can rescue your units, weaken enemy units, and is usable throughout the whole game. Another example is that dancer's and heron's are considered excellent characters despite not having offense due to their ability to give a unit another move

Other Information

PEMN (Personal Experience Means Nothing): Due to how random Fire Emblem games are personal experience is invalid when discussing about a character. Since Fire Emblem uses a RNG system which randomly calculates numbers that determines growths and the outcome of a battle, a player might receive a character with great stats and think that certain character is good because of how often a character gets good stats for the player or if a player found a chapter easy because a player got lucky and dodged all enemy attacks or managed to recruit character with a difficult recruitment requirement are invalid because it doesn't happen 100% for everyone.

Arena Abuse: Arena abuse (when a player uses the arena repeatedly for the sake of raising a character's level and stats) is frowned upon by this community since it's not helpful information and most player's wouldn't spend time abusing the arena.

Facts vs Opinions: Despite these methods sounding as a communist forum, you are entitled to your opinions on why a character is the best based on your preference, but if you try to prove it as a fact then problems will arise unless if you can prove it. (Such as Est and Nino are the best units because of their high growths and they'll always outclass others in stats.)

(Basically, if you like a character because of how good he/she may seem to you, that's fine but take note that if you try to argue this as a fact, it's only natural to see opposition if your reasons are invalid. "Favorite character" and "Best character" are NOT the same. If you're going to talk about Wi-fi of Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, do so in the wi-fi subforum.)

Favoritism:

If person X with A resources + person Y > person Y with A resources + person X then person X deserves A resources, no matter how many resources that may be. For example, Mia with a forge, adept and an ike support can duo every chapter in the game with Ike and because no one else can do this, it's generally considered efficient to give the Ike support to Mia.

Tier lists

Tier List FAQ

Tier list are basically divided into efficiency (if game has no rankings) and ranked (if game has rankings)

Efficiency is to obtain a reasonably low turn count while using characters and resources optimally. Ranked adds other goals to fulfill. (Quote by the user Ilyana)

Net worth/utility is how useful each unit is throughout the game. This is basically how easy it is to get low turns + high kill amounts each chapter using that unit. It is generally not said that a unit's net worth is <0 as they can simply be benched, thus when on the bench, they do not negatively, or positively, affect gameplay.

(This section to be filled later till a debater can add some info)

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Edited November 29, 2010 by Generic Officer

[Dr. Tarrasque]

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[Zkirsche]

Net worth/utility is how useful each unit is throughout the game. This is basically how easy it is to get low turns + high kill amounts each chapter using that unit. It is generally not said that a unit's net worth is <0 as they can simply be benched, thus when on the bench, they do not negatively, or positively, affect gameplay.

Arena Abuse: Arena abuse (when a player uses the arena repeatedly for the sake of raising a character's level and stats) is frowned upon by this community for not only it's not helpful information, most player's wouldn't spend time abusing the arena.

Doesn't make sense.

Favoritism: Basically the act of giving a character strong weapons, stat ups, or major BEXP to make a unit good are usually invalid reasons when discussing characters since you are denying others in favor of a particular character and not everyone favors a particular person.

Not true. The doritos argument states that if person X with A resources + person Y > person Y with A resources + person X then person X deserves A resources, no matter how many resources that may be. For example, Mia with a forge, adept and an ike support can duo every chapter in the game with Ike and because no one else can do this, it's generally considered efficient to give the Ike support to Mia.

Also a good point to add would be that "exp hogging" does not exist, as even if Unit A prevents Unit B, C and D from exp, Unit B would prevent unit A, C and D from getting exp if he killed someone. Plus, exp is for self gain only, so even if Unit A gets much less exp than Unit B, as long as Unit A > Unit B, it is still more efficient to give the exp to Unit A as the exp needed for Unit B to catch up to Unit A would balance out the fact that Unit B gets more exp per kill.

[Knife]

The rest of this doesn't matter. The most important rule you need to know is not to call me by my screen name. When referencing or quoting me, always substitute Waha Kife.

[Darros]

The hotlinking section should be updated to reflect that it is against the rules now (and has been for a while).

[DoseofDhillon]

so i got mistakenly kicked out, asked specta if i'm lying, when can i return….ever?

[Lord Tullus]

Is it just me, or did this not help at all.... Not to be mean, or anything! Really! :)