Shin Megami Tensei Mafia Day 5

[C. C.]

Read: I hadn't seen Goon's post. I thought Red Eye was good when responding to him.

[C. C.]

*thought Red Eye was Goon

[Sham]

With the Light: The Wife, Deathbound, Lucifer's #1 Fangirl, maybe Red Eye

With the Darkness: Twitter Famous, Scum Goon

I just gave you town's wincon, scum. You can thank me later.

[Marisa Kirisame]

@The Wife- because being self-conscious is scummy? Scum are generally more self-aware and nitpicky of their own posts than town are. I don't really get your Scum Goon vote. And if you're who I think you are, shouldn't you be The Husband...?

@Fangirl- If I realized I crossvoted someone accidentally in RVS? Something like 'k whatever'. Also a bunch of people have posted since then, including Twitter Famous. What are your opinions?

@Twitter Famous- which parts of my case feel contrived to you? Also don't like that your sheeping vote is itself sheeping Scum Goon.

And cut by Wife, why even vote Scum Goon if you're going to turn around 30 minutes later and vote someone else? Twitter Famous's posts were there before too. Also it really isn't difficult for scum to say "I don't mind being voted". That's a deliberate statement that can be faked, ergo not a "slip".

[Sham]

Read: I hadn't seen Goon's post. I thought Red Eye was good when responding to him.

Fair point. Why are you still voting Red Eye then. Also why do you have no opinions on the fangirl or Deathbound.

[Marisa Kirisame]

and how do you even know that The Darkness are the mafia?

[Sham]

@The Wife- because being self-conscious is scummy? Scum are generally more self-aware and nitpicky of their own posts than town are. I don't really get your Scum Goon vote. And if you're who I think you are, shouldn't you be The Husband...?

And cut by Wife, why even vote Scum Goon if you're going to turn around 30 minutes later and vote someone else? Twitter Famous's posts were there before too. Also it really isn't difficult for scum to say "I don't mind being voted". That's a deliberate statement that can be faked, ergo not a "slip".

Read the vote again. Also no, I shouldn't.

Because I only read through the first page when I made the first post. Doing this makes my posts more reasonable to read through, so I don't really care if it makes me look worse.

Yes, it's easy for scum to say that. However (and I should have explained this in my initial post) the explanation afterwards is what cemented it.

[Sham]

and how do you even know that The Darkness are the mafia?

What's the opposite of light.

[Olivier]

What's the opposite of light.

Heavy. Also I'm gonna read what's happened since it seems like were out of RVS at this point.

[C. C.]

@The Wife- because being self-conscious is scummy? Scum are generally more self-aware and nitpicky of their own posts than town are. I don't really get your Scum Goon vote. And if you're who I think you are, shouldn't you be The Husband...?

@Fangirl- If I realized I crossvoted someone accidentally in RVS? Something like 'k whatever'. Also a bunch of people have posted since then, including Twitter Famous. What are your opinions?

@Twitter Famous- which parts of my case feel contrived to you? Also don't like that your sheeping vote is itself sheeping Scum Goon.

And cut by Wife, why even vote Scum Goon if you're going to turn around 30 minutes later and vote someone else? Twitter Famous's posts were there before too. Also it really isn't difficult for scum to say "I don't mind being voted". That's a deliberate statement that can be faked, ergo not a "slip".

The part where yours and Fangirl's votes are pretty much doing the same. Her vote on me was unexpectedly serious given the posting climate of the time, but it was obvious she meant to move thing out of RVS. Did you really find scum intent? Or you could have just been doing the same as she. Read: I didn't see his post before I posted. I then decided afterwards that as bad as it looks, I still have the same question on Red Eye's vote.

Fair point. Why are you still voting Red Eye then. Also why do you have no opinions on the fangirl or Deathbound.

Because my opinion on his sheep hasn't changed.

But it was a #preemptive attempt at #deflection just in case my #jokevote wasn't accepted. Props to #Fangirl because if anyone was self-conscious it was me.

@Deathbound: For someone making a case against someone trying too hard to imply scum intent in another's post, you're pretty much doing the exact same thing, no?

##Unvote

##Vote:Red Eye

That was a silly sheep. Someone's got to take something over seriously in order to get out of RVS, otherwise we get nowhere.

Those were my thoughts. Fangirl goes after my post to get out of RVS, my opinion is I'm okay with that. Deathbound implies scum intent behind Fangirl's implications of scum intent. Worth questioning but not worth jumping against with a vote.

[Kamina]

Wife, how do you know what the scum faction is called?

[Sham]

What's the opposite of light.

[Kamina]

reading the latest page is hard

[Olivier]

Lucifer, why is Twitter Famous a worse offender for having a weak vote than other players? I made my entrance even later than him, and I only made an RVS vote myself. I also think the RVS comment isn't telling of alignment; some players like Cam and Shin complain regularly when they miss that stage of the game, so why are Twitter's actions scum-motivated?

Deathbound, while I'm in an agreement that it wasn't a spectacular vote, what sort of vote should have been made? At this stage in the game I don't see anything particularly wrong with a vote like that, and it doesn't feel like too much of a stretch at this point. I don't believe that L1F's actions have been scummy at this stage.

Figuring out your identities is more interesting than finding scum at this stage in the game, to be perfectly honest.

Can we not player spec at this point.

Deathbound's case is sheepable ##Unvote, ##Vote: Lucifer although Death does need to do something other than shitpost before the end of the phaseGo to bed Prims

Not often I can use the same image twice in one day. Why are you concerned with my activity when we have 50 hours left in the phase? Also I don't really have a problem with the vote at this point. Early game Sheeping is null more than anything else IMO.

I have solid guesses for five players so far, including you. I'm almost certain that you are Manix.

L1F is a townie tryharding in my eyes, due to the active interest to end RVS and the general tone of his posts. I don't think Deathbound is scummy for pressing him, but I feel as if he is barking up the wrong tree. On the other hand...

##Unvote

##Vote: Red Eye

I also feel like calling the case "sheepable" is incredibly lazy. What parts of the case did you agree with and why? Don't you have anything to add to it or any questions to ask? Something about how he dropped his Death vote also makes me uncomfortable, but I'm struggling to figure out why that is at this moment in time.

But it was a #preemptive attempt at #deflection just in case my #jokevote wasn't accepted. Props to #Fangirl because if anyone was self-conscious it was me.

@Deathbound: For someone making a case against someone trying too hard to imply scum intent in another's post, you're pretty much doing the exact same thing, no?

##Unvote

##Vote:Red Eye

That was a silly sheep. Someone's got to take something over seriously in order to get out of RVS, otherwise we get nowhere.

Why is sheeping a case when we are barely out of RVS scummy?

Lucy's posts aren't how townies tryhard, he's writing walls of bullshit that I don't want to readTwitter Famous is a bad user and a hypocrite

Was that really necessary. Also what walls are you reading. His post have been pretty concise and to the point IMO.

With the Light: The Wife, Deathbound, Lucifer's #1 Fangirl, maybe Red Eye

With the Darkness: Twitter Famous, Scum Goon

I just gave you town's wincon, scum. You can thank me later.

No they need to thank you now so we know who scum are. Come on man.

[C. C.]

ITT no one can read.

Read the vote again. Also no, I shouldn't.

Because I only read through the first page when I made the first post. Doing this makes my posts more reasonable to read through, so I don't really care if it makes me look worse.

Yes, it's easy for scum to say that. However (and I should have explained this in my initial post) the explanation afterwards is what cemented it.

The explanation that follows is obvious fluff of someone trying to sound really smart and thoughtful and wants to post in unnecessarily long paragraphs.

Also, Deathbound use your head instead of questioning things you should be able to figure out like they're scummy. ie The WIfe's two posts that switch her vote from Goon to me.

[Marisa Kirisame]

lmao at Death saying that Fangirl's posts are concise

Death whoisscum?

@TF- nowhere in The Wife's first two posts did it say:

a) why you're worse than Scum Goon, according to them

b) what the point of changing votes before getting a reaction from Scum Goon was

c) why Scum Goon saying that he disagreed with my vote is the same as him complaining about it (tbf I did not say why I didn't get Wife's SG vote)

[Olivier]

lmao at Death saying that Fangirl's posts are concise

Death whoisscum?

@TF- nowhere in The Wife's first two posts did it say:

a) why you're worse than Scum Goon, according to them

b) what the point of changing votes before getting a reaction from Scum Goon was

c) why Scum Goon saying that he disagreed with my vote is the same as him complaining about it (tbf I did not say why I didn't get Wife's SG vote)

Maybe wife is scum. She sorta jumps between SG and TF without really explaining why. Not to mention both of the justifications for voting them don't exist. And obviously Minerva is scum for dodging my super scum hunting idea.##Vote: The Wife. Oh also manix is still the hidden cult leader.

[C. C.]

@Deathbound: Answers to a and b are in here:

Besides the self-conscious portion, this is a good case by Townbound.

Reasonable explanation of your Twitter vote (including why Twitter is worse than Death.. and why you explained your vote so much). Would not vote the fangirl.

Bolded is a townslip.

What do you think about fangirl saying she wouldn't mind people voting her? Do you think that could come from scum and if so, why?

Sheeping isn't scummy.

Is Deathbound scum. Is Lucifer scum. Why do you have no opinions here.

"Sheeping the vote on the sheeper"- Scum Famous

What is the point of this post.

Why are you justifying yourself to your scumread.

##Unvote

##Vote: Twitter_Famous

These things sound worse than fence sitting

Read the vote again. Also no, I shouldn't.

Because I only read through the first page when I made the first post. Doing this makes my posts more reasonable to read through, so I don't really care if it makes me look worse.

Yes, it's easy for scum to say that. However (and I should have explained this in my initial post) the explanation afterwards is what cemented it.

and for b because she hadn't seen those, and also answer for a fits into answer for b

But I see your point on question c

[Sham]

Because my opinion on his sheep hasn't changed.

Those were my thoughts. Fangirl goes after my post to get out of RVS, my opinion is I'm okay with that. Deathbound implies scum intent behind Fangirl's implications of scum intent. Worth questioning but not worth jumping against with a vote.

How did I miss that, must be your formatting.

ITT no one can read.

The explanation that follows is obvious fluff of someone trying to sound really smart and thoughtful and wants to post in unnecessarily long paragraphs.

Also, Deathbound use your head instead of questioning things you should be able to figure out like they're scummy. ie The WIfe's two posts that switch her vote from Goon to me.

Earlier you said you were townreading the fangirl. Why do you think town would intentionally act in such a way.

I don't get what your second point is?

lmao at Death saying that Fangirl's posts are concise

Death whoisscum?

@TF- nowhere in The Wife's first two posts did it say:

a) why you're worse than Scum Goon, according to them

b) what the point of changing votes before getting a reaction from Scum Goon was

c) why Scum Goon saying that he disagreed with my vote is the same as him complaining about it (tbf I did not say why I didn't get Wife's SG vote)

a) I don't need to explain this, it should be obvious.

b) It wasn't a reaction test. Also explain why I would change votes that easily as scum instead of holding on to my previous vote. If you say WIFOM I will literally flay you.

3) Can you explain what you mean here? Scum Goon is not scum because he complained about your vote, it's because earlier he agreed with the case and then turned around and said "but what else would you expect fangirl to say?".

[C. C.]

How did I miss that, must be your formatting.

Earlier you said you were townreading the fangirl. Why do you think town would intentionally act in such a way.

I don't get what your second point is?

I took it as her being in character tbh, but its still bothersome to read through and I don't think it should be used as a townread because she over explains things.

About your two posts that switch votes. It was obvious in the first post that you hadn't read the rest of the thread, so you switching your vote in second post when you had shouldn't be surprising.

[Sham]

Fair enough. Twitter Follower's explanations for my issues with him (that being the hypocritical vote; apparently he didn't see Scum Goon's initial vote and ignoring Deathbound/Fangirl; my bad on that one) are fine and I don't really see why he'd defend me as scum so going with this for now.

##Unvote

##Vote: Scum Goon

[Ochako Uraraka]

Thank the lord that there were only two pages since last I checked, haha. I'm just gonna quotewall and point out anything I may... or maybe i'll just randomly quote things. Yeah, that latter sounds like a far better idea!

After that first post, L1F is so clearly a villager it hurts

Firstly there seems to be the thought given to the crossvoting and how people would attack her for it seems kind of self-conscious. Secondly I don't really care for the Twitter Famous vote; not seeing how a bunch of 'stop spamming do something useful' votes on Death are contributing so much more than TF's vote. And some people have fun joking around in RVS; the scum intent that Fangirl's trying to portray seems pretty contrived to me.

This is a good, villagery post (although I disagree with the conclusion reached). Would not lynch yet/10

Figuring out your identities is more interesting than finding scum at this stage in the game, to be perfectly honest.

Hello there, Prims

Deathbound's case is sheepable ##Unvote, ##Vote: Lucifer although Death does need to do something other than shitpost before the end of the phase

Disregarding the explicit sheeping for a moment (although honestly sheeping is a classic wolf tactic anyway; it's such an easy way to get away with not having to bullshit their own cases on an innocent and lets them not have to take responsibility for a misflip), I dislike this because it's pointless. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this vote? It doesn't really add more pressure because there's absolutely no way L1F getting lynched at that time. To me this seems like a wolf trying to blend in "hey look at me, I'm being useful!"

Reasonable explanation of your Twitter vote (including why Twitter is worse than Death.. and why you explained your vote so much). Would not vote the fangirl.

Bolded is a townslip.

I don't disagree with the conclusion, but it seems like trying really hard to make L1F a villager. Buddying OP and all.

What do you think about fangirl saying she wouldn't mind people voting her? Do you think that could come from scum and if so, why?

Why couldn't it conceivably come from a wolf? It's such an easy thing to say, and talk is cheap

With the Light: The Wife, Deathbound, Lucifer's #1 Fangirl, maybe Red Eye

With the Darkness: Twitter Famous, Scum Goon

I just gave you town's wincon, scum. You can thank me later.

Hey, thanks!

Wait...

##Unvote

##Vote Red Eye

Waifu bothers me but she's also doing good, pro-village things so I'll ignore it for now.

[Cú Chulainn]

I'm far more amused by seeing TF defend Fangirl and attack Deathbound actually, knowing that the former voted him and the latter questioned her for it. This is possibly a good slip, as scum usually demerit the votes on them.

I don't see how Fangirl's discourse about not minding being voted and willing to do anything to get out of RVS is a townslip. If anything, it can as well as be a lot of fluff to try to look good so that people like The Wife, who acted rather gullibly at this part for someone who seems so skeptical about the rest, can approve their speech as protown. Other than that, I rather liked her actions to take us out of RVS, even if I disagree with her TF vote (though it was just a reaction test to get out of RVS, so it's fine).

Which reminds me: Deathbound, why is Fangirl scummy? Your case is based on two points: Her being 'self conscious' of her crossvote and her vote on TF. The latter has already been explained and iirc you already said you consider it valid, but you still keep pressing her on behalf of the former. Why couldn't it be just as well as a reaction test and why is it scummy to crossvote someone at RVS? Is her justification not enough?

Anyway, I don't like how Scum Goon criticized Fangirl for her vote, then questioned Deathbound for... criticizing it! I wouldn't call this fencesitting, but having a double standard. His statement was contradictory and honestly means nothing, it looks like you're trying to bring a point here while being redundant. I'm waiting for more content from you, son.

##Vote: Scum Goon

inb4 i am voted for sheeping the wife

inb4 i am voted for being self conscious

inb4 i am voted for being ironic and using strikethrough so much

[Cú Chulainn]

As a disclaimer, my only problem with Deathbound's vote on Fangirl is that he seems to be clinging too much to RVS stuff while we are already ahead of it.

Disregarding the explicit sheeping for a moment (although honestly sheeping is a classic wolf tactic anyway; it's such an easy way to get away with not having to bullshit their own cases on an innocent and lets them not have to take responsibility for a misflip), I dislike this because it's pointless. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this vote? It doesn't really add more pressure because there's absolutely no way L1F getting lynched at that time. To me this seems like a wolf trying to blend in "hey look at me, I'm being useful!"

I agree with the bolded reasoning, but disagree with the rest. I'd rather not say why the rest of the reasoning is bad for now since I want to see how he defends himself (getting reactions for reads is always nice), but the bolded reasoning is good: Red Eyes, if you have a reason to vote someone then I know you can at least defend your case and express your point of view about it. 'lol i'll be sheeping' isn't valid.

[Ochako Uraraka]

lol