#HBC dewound

cool game and cool people, rapier you did great

Oh yeah, that EvilG fella. He's probably town as I don't think he would make himself obvious, even if he might be a bit noobish, I would pay close attention to the people who will try and mislynch him later on if anything.

I'm sick of defending myself, let's talk about the people in this game shall we? I'll say that this game is quite hard to post in as you have a case of where certain people have complete control of the thread and are pushing discussion/avenues that they want, and then others who haven't really done so much beyond elaborate for the person they're voting (I'll give you a hint: most of them is for me). I don't think Prims is scum for trying to CC me in a way that isn't explict but hinting on to as why he thinks I could be scum based on my role alone, in fact it's quite townie. I haven't fully had any problems with Prims at all either and so far he's been sensible and I enjoy most of what he's posted. I don't want to hear someone tell me I'm fishing here but I would honestly like to know what it is that somehows contradicts my role? If I'm directly speaking to prims here, you've essentially put yourself as a target for scum anyways so there really isn't any point to mince words here. Omega on surface is really good but it might be the playstyle difference that is throwing me for a loop. I hesitate on townreading him because I know he is not a slacker at this game and that what I mostly feel for Omega is that I agree with him a lot but I'm not seeing him get heated with the discussion as much as I'd like to. It is almost safe in a manner and I hope he calls me out on it because right now I'm not content with the way he has been playing this game, and I'm wondering why everyone else is for that matter. Larsa's being..really weird right now. I don't know where to take my read on Larsa at the moment and unlike Omega where I think his surface is good, I think it's scatterbrained and really hard to read because from an objective viewpoint because Larsa spends too much time fluffing up his posts with longwinded conclusions that are an eyesore to read. I wouldn't call it necessarily scummy at the moment but I will say that his alignment will be easy to figure out following his consistent he is on his claims and how he has been moving forward with the game. Randa is simple vigbait and I don't feel like talking about him, I would hammer if someone asked me to. I think the lynch today needs to be between a Randa/Gorf if you want me to be honest but maybe I'm again the crazy man taking pills to not town-read Gorf here; maybe the people town-reading him could tell me more why he is somehow town? I haven't seen him progress his read on me at all and he's just been sitting on his vote this whole time, I'm not sure where that's townie. Speaking of vote unvote Rapier's fine and I don't think I'm going to get anything out of him anymore. Everyone else not mentioned here needs to do some legwork as I don't feel like reading someone who isn't there half of the time.

Larsa, I'm not sure what tunnel goggles you've managed to glue to your head but it's wrong. I think I run a much higher risk to fully claim all of my role aspects over not explictly revealing something, wouldn't you think? This is all rather conjecture on my part because you can keep telling me that somehow this coincides with me being scum but I don't know how much of a fool you'll feel when you see I'm not lying about anything. I can't tell why the mod has disclosed it to me, but I can tell you that if I were to guess that 'compensation' works as a trigger of some sort, and I don't see how that's bastard and nor do I see why you think this is somehow a crucial point into why I'm scum. I've wanted to town-read you but boy you are playing so dense to the possibility to me being town right now that I somehow got a second wind to tell you how you need to start reading me as a player instead of reading me as a role that I claimed, and I completely hold to claiming said role because the last thing I want is to get myself mislynched if I can stop it, so literally don't tell me that it's 'anti-town' or 'town doesn't have incentive' to do that because it's in my complete right to ensure I do what I think is best.

Are you trying to play this game? You're just idly commenting on things that don't go anywhere in the first place.

I'm not reading your post Larsa, I don't have anything to argue as I know what role I am and I know what I've done, you don't need to feel justified in telling me how it is. @Prims, I asked the mod about it and he basically told me that I'll have to wait and see, otherwise it does nothing. I could try it tonight at the least.

Rapier, I'm gonna be honest with you. I got in over my head about you about your play and admitted that I was at fault and am willing to let bygones be bygones. I really didn't want to play this game where I had to constantly explain myself, and it's alarming to me that what I feel, from my perspective, I have been given all I could possibly. It's a moot point though and Larsa/Omega would tell me that I'm being emotional again, when really emotions play in part of my actions and why I do things. It's a facet of my playstyle that doesn't really go away. I'm not asking for pity, I just want people to understand where I'm coming from when I inevitably flip town.

Breaking down this horrible wagon if I can see it. Sorry if the way we see things don't mesh but you're really on the wrong track and I simply don't want to deal with arguing about myself all the damn time. I'm Steve Vai, Town role-blocker/enabler. I don't know what the enabling explictly does nor have I asked, but I have been told by the mod that I can give people 'compensation', which must play a part in enabling someone's role to work or something like that? If you want to lynch me still despite this, then at least give me time to fully post my thoughts.

Well, Refa/Gorf both seem too complacent for my taste, Gorf especially. I didn't really care to go into it because I really wanted to deal with the whole Rapier thing, but it sort of dealt with itself. My read on Gorf can be summarized that he dropped Mancer immediately over an issue I had with not liking mancer, but that read on Mancer never went anywhere. I would think that both a townie and Gorf himself would delve more into it instead of dropping it off completely. Refa looks like either a slow thinker or the type of scum who promises to post content but never gets around to it.

Well who knows, maybe if I do too much I'll be trying too hard to be town also according to you?

Huh? I don't understand where you came to the conclusion that I'm reluctant to town-read Mancer? You're looking far too into my wording here if you think me saying 'perhaps' there is somehow worse if I said something like 'probably' or even 'possibly.' I will admit that I have been feeling less confident on you, and would say if I were to jump off you I would look more towards Refa/Gorf, as I'm almost ready to submit that I was wrong about you initially as I feel I'm becoming a broken record.

When you say "waiting for scum", do you mean Rapier? He was the only person who has said something like this. I had to be pressed? I practically gave it to you on a silver platter, willingly. There was no pushing or prodding needing to be done, though I will admit I wanted to keep it to myself until I actually heard from Rapier himself. I..didn't make it clear? You sure you're reading the right game? I didn't blatantly say 'guys I think Rapier is scum' immediately but I would think that anyone with a brain could realize that I was trying to play it off of Rapier's responses before I came to the conclusion, but I felt pressured to just outright say it and then spent like a whole page trying to tell people why it is.

I have a question to anyone who has decided to jump from me to Mancer: do you still scum read Mancer and shifting priority, or do you think that he shouldn't be the lynch anymore?

Oh? In what way is it town? I don't think it's townie to instantly make a judgment call as a double standard by implying that it's not really a judgment call until they 'give more content.' I would say that this is quite different for me because Rapier has been backing it up so at this point I almost feel reluctant in backing down from Rapier as he's been proving my initial assumptions of him wrong.

I suppose I do, if we're speaking objective in the sense of what they said specifically and how I feel about them in general, I rather liked his #59 in particular and didn't feel he was cracking under pressure like everyone else was stating he was. I see a lot of Mancer in myself so perhaps it's just inherent that I town-read those behaviors because he does a lot of what I would do as town.

I don't believe I've flown off the handle once at someone, stating that 'i am frustrated' is just to accentuate my point.

Again, you're another person who I feel is not reading me fully and that frustrates me. I've said many times that my Mancer read was inherently a feeling, and something I tried to summarize of what I felt initially. Do you disagree with it and why?

Man, this is not how I wanted to play this game at all... This hurts coming from the guy I'm defending given I've been trying to make it clear why I think Rapier is scum, like...all last night. Then in #121 he talks about how he will gladly defend people he thinks are town and spend paragraphs doing so, but in #123 he just says he's not scumreading Mancer. ~Semantics but not scumreading != townreading and other than just go "man this Mancer wagon sucks" and "hey Mancer made some good points" there isn't an actual reason given for why Mancer is town at any point. Reads like white-knighting to me. I don't believe it would change anything, as I feel I've made myself clear that I clearly don't like him and that my actions should say more than just a vote. If people are really getting on me about the fact that me not voting him changes everything then I'm not sure what to say. Vote: Rapier? Better? It was a general feeling that I stated in my #96, If you had a problem with it you could have directed me to that instead of making me feel like you skimmed. The eagerness I mentioned is yet again, a feeling. I'm getting honestly frustrated that I feel like I'm explaining things to the best of my ability and people are either not getting it or not reading it. I'm not sure why this always happens when I'm town but it does. Do you call BS on my initial statement of Refa itself or do you disagree that it wasn't anything to look at in the first place. I hate pulling 'i was just trying to get what I thought out there'...but that was really it.

I feel it's one thing to say 'yeah this is scummy and I'm going to vote you for it' and another to say 'yeah, this is scummy, but I know it's pretty weak regardless. I'm gonna vote you, but I wanna make it clear that I'm waiting for you to produce more content until I fully decide whether it is completely scummy or not.' It might be an environment clash thing but I don't see the point of the vote there when you haven't made up your mind or feel you can get something out of it, as I've usually taken votes like this.

I wanted to see what he felt about my approach on Mancer and my hard disagreement that I have been actively showing and hopefully I could get him to open up a bit more, maybe even contest me. I just feel that I'm either misreading how someone plays (that he mentions himself) or that I'm being undeniably stubborn of how I feel a townie would go about things, which I'll gladly be contested on as I know I'm not always right.

EBWOP: Maybe I'm not explaining this hard enough. Let's say you're a townie and you see someone do something scummy but you're not really sure of what the hell it means explicitly. You usually feel things out before coming to straight conclusion because you're unsure right? Rapier didn't do that, he skipped the process of getting the read in general and then played his vote off the fact he wants to see Mancer 'produce more'. It really set me off and wholly decided that even if before I thought the wagon on Mancer was bogus, this was one of the most bogus ways to handle this. I don't know what you're all seeing in terms of Rapier right now, this is literally his only solid statement regarding Mancer: This all doesn't summarize what makes this so bad. It doesn't summarize anything, it's a small snippet that ignores the whole picture, and a picture that Rapier himself has *sigh* again, admitted to me personally that he admits is weak as a whole. It's fine to say that you're not always going to be set in stone about something immediately, but it just bothers me. It all feels like a sad excuse to vote someone and I simply do not believe the conclusions or reasoning that Rapier has shown or given.

This is going to be a long and ridiculous game at this rate if someone can't agree with a small consensus without being a 'hipster.' There is not much weight beyond the sole impression that I get of how he has handled Mancer, which I literally kept reading his 'I'm comfortable with this until he produces more content' line and I just sat there and felt a migraine coming on with someone sitting on someone like mancer where, again, admits that there isn't shit to go on. It is holding Mancer himself into a standard that will be never fulfilled and looks like he had no reason to be there in the first place. I wanted to keep this to myself for the sake of reactions, but I am forced to bust out about what I felt about it in general, and that honestly irritates me.

You're being obtuse about the subject at hand because I don't scumread Mancer right now and you can't see my logic, or that you fail to. I ask you what you think about Rapier and you blankly tell me that you haven't looked into or simply don't care. I don't understand how me trying to progress my scum read right now is suddenly 'semantics' or whatever shoehorned terminology you want to throw in there. Why do you say things like this without substantiating what it means in the first place? I literally don't know the point you're making right now, you're almost telling me I'm wrong about how I read Rapier because you don't read how it is, and that makes me scum I guess?

I don't like seeing the people who I town-read get wagoned, and I will gladly defend them. I don't why the possibility of scummates bussing matters to me right now fmpov. I will literally break out a couple of paragraphs of why this wagon blows chunks if I need to, but the reason i asked you about Rapier is because he is one of the people who I think is scum right now if you want me to be blunt, which I've sort of highlighted in #116.

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