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Coming at you, bro. First, I hadn't seen your don't hammer post, I was making mine based of Refa and I think Marth's 8th and 9th Blitz votes. I unvoted and explained what I thought, which you can see in my last post. Next, your Rapier vote, is based of a Weapons read that you disagreed with until magically its ok. Still not giving many reasons looking at your ISO. This sheep isn't screaming town, but not scummy either. Cut: Refa I was literally doing that to save time because you told me and you seemed locked in on Blitz yo. I'm a newbie and not good at this game yet, I felt my vote was futile, and now that people are asking I'm defending it. I see where you're coming from, the hammer could seem scummy, hopefully this post shows my real ideas. Back to Baldrick (I have no meta available to me due to this being my first game) So basically your scumread on SB is because he hasn't been as aggressive as in this one past game you quote. That seems really devoid of logic to me, and a way to back out of your Rapier sheep. This does seem incredibly opportunistic, I wonder why. ##Vote: Baldrick

##Unvote for now.

@Refa nice clutch cut My thoughts, I personally lean towards voting Baldrick. The main reason being that I can see where Blitz is coming from as someone still suspicious of Kirsche. His spat with Via doesn't seem to me as scum intent. I don't like Baldrick switching from Rapier (an already meh vote in my books) to SB so quickly. But, Blitz had a quite a few more votes when I posted. There wasn't really a legitimate chance of getting me of all people getting Baldrick lynched.

Didn't see that. In that case... #Vote: Blitz Sorry, nothing else is gonna happen.

Anndddd this is not reddit :0

I wanna give Blitz a chance to talk personally. ~~If he would get tf online~~

Refa I don't get why that's a problem :P BBM I have only played Mafia on Showdown. (Radically different game, all in irc, not as much reading, etc) So not this type of Mafia.

Refa im looking at Baldrick and Blitz currently.

Is Hugh of Ilia alive?

Wtf I thought it was Weapons v Rapier. Why are we voting Blitz?

Going afk for 30 minutes need to clear my head.

@Kirsche claim sent

Eury I can give you a very brief TLDR fwiw Terrador has been killed, source unknown. Mafia seems unlikely because he was leading wagon, town dayvig most likely would have claimed. Leading wagons afaik are Blitz, SB, and Rapier.

@Kirsche I sent an email to via. ##Unvote: Kirsche I want to see the day develop before placing a vote. Its not going to be Kirsche.

Refa's right. Unless there were limitations to the vig power (my role spec is awful I'm not going to try), it's a waste to kill the leading wagon.

Also Kirsche how many people have claimed to you?

Rip Terrador. I need to read his ISO, see if theres any possible reasons for him being killed. Has anyone claimed dayvig?

Oh my god how are there 27 pages. Reading rn, will have input later.

Ditto what GP said to via. GP, I understand where you're coming from on Rapier. Being reminded by a scumbuddy still seems incredibly unlikely. It was a timeframe of literally two minutes before he changed his mind. My read on you is more null atm, now that I see your legitimate questioning. Also regarding Ciraxis, his post was very surface level, and he also kept an RVS vote for no reason at all. Not exactly screaming town.

Alrighty, answering Terrador's question, and I've read my ISOs and have some things to say about who some ideas that could be important. @Terrador: This is my first time playing mafia. My only other mafia experience has been on Showdown which is a radically different game. (All in irc, role lists shown, etc.) I'm trying pretty hard fwiw ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This is some of your only content about Marth. You make a decently large post after that regarding Poly, Blitz, SB, etc. but Marth is left completely out of it, and still gets the vote? Seems like you're running on your own agenda. Warrants explanation especially since you haven't posted much content since then. Cut: Looked at Proto's above post. Marth, while I think people shouldn't be seeing scum out of your posts, why the vanilla claim? Why? Besides that its obviously idiotic to vote based off a joke alone, you should have a read on someone at least. Opening of your post makes it seem to me like a psychological way of giving you room for error in your reads. A safety net of sorts. Why is it inherently scummy to not vote? Rapier waiting for something that gave him a harder read seems fine to me. Regarding Kirsche v Terrador, we still haven't gotten any masons confirming to anyone yet. It still remains an issue, and its been a good amount of time since Kirsche claimed Mason Leader/Recruiter/hes being vague on purpose. Not exactly digging your post tbh.

Ok here are some other things I have to say. @Green Poet: Gaius too kawaii indeed. On a serious note, why do you feel the need for Hugh's RVS vote to be questioned? It seems like he was just following what Blitz told him to do, which was vote someone randomly. Blitz actually had a response for Via's vote, and that started the whole Blitz being defensive v. scummy argument. @Weapons: I'm inclined to believe most of Ciraxis' post. I've already stated I think Rapier being attacked was blown out of proportion and I don't think his intent was scum then. I agree with his statement on the Kirsche situation. Weapons, I did miss why he voted you in the first place. Clarification on that would be nice. @Everyone: How much has flavor from role PM played into the actual setup/outcome of a game? This is more of general question so I can understand SF Mafia better.

Where can I find ISOS? (I'm assuming it's what every person has said in isolation lol.)

Hi I exist. Here goes my first post. I just read 10 straight pages so I apologize if my logic is flawed, reasoning unclear etc. Ask to clarify if needed. Anyway here are my opinions on various issues: Kirsche: Definitely not agreeing with your opinion on being town leader D1. Terrador really voiced my complaints with what you've said. I'm fine with your Mayor claim, it's easily confirmable, but it does not guarantee town alignment in any way. Mason Leader/Recruiter/whatever claim is where I started to feel overwhelmed. You're throwing information at us, but what does it really prove? You seem desperate to create organization, but putting information in the wrong hands is worse than not being organized. I don't care that you can easily be proved. You still aren't proved as of now. Not worth putting this into your hands. Rapier: His vote on BlueDoom seems completely legitimate as a reaction test. The shift from joke to serious is worthy of being tested imo. ##Vote: Kirsche This is preliminary, I need to reread some things, but I really feel bad about trying to get town leader when completely unclaimed.

Only one more :)

Gaius +1 Libra -2 Tharja +1 Frederick -2