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Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Just made a snarky little comment after a night of pent-up frustration. Wasn't directed at anyone here, if that's what people're worried about. Guess that answer means looking at the Name Chart is what I want to do, though. I guess you all were happy with the terms everyone used before, or didn't want to confuse anybody? I would've thought character limitations would make you change some around though - something long, like uh... Defensive Formation for example, could've run over some menu somewhere, but I guess not. Well, thanks for the pointer. I'll see if I can stop being lazy. ^_^;

Meh, maybe being a little harsh, but I felt like venting a bit. I gotta do it sometime, right? Either way, I guess the answer to my original question is the Fan Name column in the name chart isn't what the fan translation uses? Meh, I guess I'll try to find that list somewhere, unless someone can pop on and give me a link or something.

So, I'm wondering: there's the name chart on the Fates page here on Serenes, but are you guys using those names (from the Fan name column), or are you using your own? I don't know if you're gonna be retranslating or editing anything, so I don't know if I should wait until the script is released to get the final names you all use. I suppose even then, I don't have anything special on my 3DS, so I can only update my notes if I have a list from somewhere. ... Though truth be told, overall I think I translated those names better than the official version when I did them. I swear, anyone can be a translator these days. EDIT: Gah, I think this may've technically been the wrong thread. Don't feel like double posting though, so hopefully someone answers.

Oooh-kay, gonna read that real slow like. Honestly, the examples here I think I can explain with normal sharing order... but rather than Joker/Shigure + Matoi, maybe non-Joker/Shigure + Matoi is more telling. Had to do some digging for this, but... http://www.wicurio.com/fireemblemif/index.php?%E5%AD%90%E4%BE%9B%E3%83%A6%E3%83%8B%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%2Fcomment So yeah. Since Matoi gets Rod Knight no matter what, well... Shigure necessarily must have Rod Knight as one of his classes, whether he gets it from his father or his mother. But he never shares Ninja which he could get from Suzukaze, or Dragon Knight which he could get from Aqua. Which leads me to believe that indeed as in your post, there could be some second list of classes that says what a character shares, which can be different than the list of what he can reclass into... which coincides very closely to Class A -> Class B -> Alternate A in most cases. Which means for Kanna (or anyone else for that matter)... even if say, we have Dark Mage Kamui (female) + Leon, the game stores in your save somewhere: (1) Kanna's inherited classes: Nohr Prince, Dark Mage (from Leon), Spellweaver (from Kamui, the alternate) (2) Kanna's sharing classes: Dark Mage first, then Spellweaver (even though he got Spellweaver from Kamui) ... And if you give Kanna an S support with somebody, most female characters will get Dark Mage with a Marriage Seal. Ophelia already has it as her initial, so she gets Spellweaver instead. This is what you're saying, right? 'Cause if so, I have my suspicions on how everything looks like under the hood. Granted, there are a few of ways to do inheritance and sharing this way, though I'm starting to wonder what was going through their heads when they made this.

... Okay, sure. One of these two. (1) Whenever an ally within 2 panels is at 50% HP or lower: they gain +20% Evade, +20% Crit Evade. You gain +10% Skill Activation (non-stackable). Maybe Hit and Crit too, but I think just those'd be good. Numbers can be whatever is appropriate. (2) Enemies within 2 panels can't use the skills Counter or Magic Counter. Can you tell how much I hate random number crap? Or how much I hate those two skills? Seriously, Counter punishes you for being better than your opponent. Heck, you could say those skills make the enemy grind for you - the more he grinds, the more he hurts himself, and it ignores every last defensive stat he has. Seriously though, if any one were to actually make it in the game, it'd be the first one. I think I'd take a Kamui with that, even if it was only for his lead unit.

Bit of a double post, but here just to say I noticed a few comments in the Wicurio wiki that makes me pretty sure at this point that Kamui goes last no matter what. This means I still got questions. http://www.wicurio.com/fireemblemif/index.php?CC%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A8%E3%82%81 So my questions... We already know (or rather, everything I've seen and heard says) that in most cases, Kanna will attempt to share whatever Kamui's secondary even is if Kamui is his mother, but... Suppose because of class overlap, that male Kanna gets the alternate of his mother's class. First, when his buddy/wife uses a Buddy/Marriage Seal, does he first attempt to share his mother's secondary no matter what (even though he got it from his father), or the alternate (which is really what he ended up getting from his mother)? Second, in these cases when Kanna has two classes and didn't get anything new from Kamui (female), what does he share? I mean, we've theorized that he either (a) technically got his mother's class twice and so still attempts to share it, or (b) just shares Kamui's secondary no matter what making the effect the same, but it'd be nice if someone can say something concrete. There's still the chance that since his mother couldn't pass him anything, that he can't share anything. And finally, I'm going to assume that whatever class Kanna attempts to share, that if his buddy or spouse has it as their initial class, they get the alternate (if any) instead. Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

Egh... I thought about this for a sec, but it seems like I gotta clear up inheritance before I can ask my other questions. If these examples are true, then it looks like Kamui goes first even when she's the mother? I thought it went... A - Kanna starts out with Nohr Prince. B - Asama is the father and goes first, giving Shugenja. C - Kamui is the mother and goes last, but can't give anything that Kanna doesn't already have. (Kanna already has Nohr Prince and Shugenja, and Miko doesn't have an alternate.) An example in the sticky went Cavalier Kamui (Female) + Silas giving Kanna (A) Nohr Prince, (B) Cavalier from Silas, and © Ninja from Kamui. (They said there was a shot of this floating around the web, too.) And from this, we inferred... A - Kanna starts out with Nohr Prince. B - He gets Cavalier from some parent. C - But he gets Ninja (the alternate from Cavalier), which must have come from Kamui. If Silas gave his class last, this would be Mercenary instead; therefore, Silas must have given his class first and Kamui last. I can't actually ask anything else until this one's answered, specifically because I'm pretty sure my examples are obviated if Kamui doesn't follow father -> mother inheritance order.

Asked this in the sticky, but another poster (who was very helpful) told me it would probably be better to start a new topic for this 'cause it'd get more attention than the stickies... which I guess aren't looked at much. So, copy-paste, go. This site right here says that Kanna (male or female) always shares Kamui's secondary when buddying, regardless of whether Kamui was his mother or father, so I'm going to assume it's the same for marriage. It's in Japanese, so brace yourself (and the link might look weird in text). http://www2.pegasusknight.com/wiki/fe14/index.php?%E3%83%A6%E3%83%8B%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%2F%E6%94%AF%E6%8F%B4S%E3%83%BBA%2B%E5%80%99%E8%A3%9C You can Ctrl-F for カンナ（男） or カンナ（女） if you wanna get there quick. Every single table for A+ supports (支援A+候補) where Kanna is, it says that male Kanna shares his mother's secondary （母の第二兵種）, and female Kanna shares her father's secondary （父の第二兵種）. It seems like it's saying that Kanna is an exception when it comes to sharing his classes, and nobody else Seal shares like him. First question I guess... is this blatantly wrong? If not, I got two more about what the wiki doesn't say: (1) If this class (Kamui's secondary) is the same as Kanna's buddy's/spouse's initial class, then it goes straight to the alternate version of that class (Kamui's alternate secondary). I presume this is true, but is it really? (2) Let's say we got Samurai Kamui (female) + Ryouma, making Male Kanna: Nohr Prince/Samurai (from Ryouma)/Mercenary (from Kamui). The two possible things I can see are... -> (a) Wiki as written: Male Kanna's sharing priority is still Samurai first, Mercenary second (Kamui's Class B -> Kamui's Alternate B), even though he actually got Mercenary from Kamui. -> (b) Someone made an oversight: Male Kanna's sharing priority is Mercenary first, Samurai second (inherited Kamui class -> its alternate), since that's what he actually got from Kamui. If (a) is true, then for the Miko Kamui + Asama pairing, Kanna still attempts to share Shugenja/Miko since that's what Kamui is, but failing that he can't share anything. If (b) is true, then for that Miko-mui + Asama pairing, well... Kanna didn't get anything from his mother (he got Shugenja from Asama, and Kamui can't give anything else), so he shares absolutely nothing. If anyone else can give a definite yes or no, well... I'm not gonna be setting up my Kamui so I can experiment myself so it'll just sate my curiosity, but it might be the missing piece in someone else's happy family keikaku.

Okay, yeah. I think we're good on inheritance, the Cavalier Corrin + Silas (that's his English name? I need to catch up) pairing makes sense to me, and Kanna isn't an exception as far as inheritance goes. The only thing is it seems the Japanese wiki is saying that when sharing classes with a buddy or spouse (and only then), Kanna is an exception. At least, that's the only way I can reason with it, but then it doesn't say what happens when... the class they list in the table is the same as his buddy's initial. I'm thinking the wiki tables aren't 100% complete, but the missing part - if the same, go to alternate classes - they're assuming you already know to do that. But again, I'm trying to guess how thorough they've been. Thanks for your help all the same. Given the way I'm gonna be doing my Kamui, though, I don't think I'll be able to test it myself, and I suppose it's not going to matter for me in the end... but it's something I'd still like to know. Getting all this information has been a bit of a pain, really... it's scattered around in many different places. Maybe on the same wiki/domain, but I still have a bunch of tabs open, then I forget what some of them are for. If anyone else can give a definite yes or no, well... maybe for me, it'll just sate my curiosity, but for someone else, it might clinch their happy family keikaku.

Alright, thanks. The last questions I had were about Kanna and Buddy/Marriage Seals. This site right here says that Kanna (male or female) always shares Kamui's secondary when buddying, so I'm going to assume it's the same for marriage. It's in Japanese, so brace yourself (and the link might look weird in text). http://www2.pegasusknight.com/wiki/fe14/index.php?%E3%83%A6%E3%83%8B%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%2F%E6%94%AF%E6%8F%B4S%E3%83%BBA%2B%E5%80%99%E8%A3%9C You can Ctrl-F for カンナ（男） or カンナ（女） if you wanna get there quick. Every single table for A+ supports (支援A+候補) where Kanna is, it says that male Kanna shares his mother's secondary （母の第二兵種）, and female Kanna shares her father's secondary （父の第二兵種）. First question I guess... is this blatantly wrong? If not, I got two more. (1) If this class (Kamui's secondary) is the same as Kanna's buddy's/spouse's initial class, then it goes straight to the alternate version of that class (Kamui's alternate secondary). Does this sound right? (2) Let's say we got Samurai Kamui (female) + Ryouma, making Male Kanna: Nohr Prince/Samurai/Mercenary. The two possible things I can see are... -> (a) Wiki as written: Male Kanna's sharing priority is still Samurai first, Mercenary second (Kamui's Class B -> Kamui's Alternate B), even though he actually got Mercenary from Kamui. -> (b) Someone made an oversight: Male Kanna's sharing priority is Mercenary first, Samurai second (inherited Kamui class -> its alternate), since that's what he actually got from Kamui. If (a) is true, then for the Miko Kamui + Asama pairing, Kanna still attempts to share Shugenja/Miko since that's what Kamui is, but failing that he can't share anything. If (b) is true, then for that Miko-mui + Asama pairing, well... Kanna didn't get anything from his mother, so he shares absolutely nothing. I kinda wanna kick a furry woodland creature right now thinking about this, but I can stay my foot. Can anyone say what's true and what's not?

Okay, so yeah I guess this is the right thread but uh... it's pretty long and I'm afraid I'll hit a spoiler or something. I already tried a search too, and I think I might just suck at doing those. So I'll just post and ask. So, what I get on inheritance is that each child gets a maximum of three classes: (A) Their own class, which is their initial class. (B) One class from their father. © One class from their mother. In this order. For each parent, you kinda go through a chain, and you keep going down until you hit something the child doesn't already have (skipping Songstress too). Class A (initial) -> Class B (secondary) -> Alternate A -> Alternate B If you happen to have no Alternate A (your initial is Rod Knight or something), just skip to Alternate B. Now, this explains why Joker + Aqua = Shigure (Pegasus Rider, Rod Knight, and Dragon Knight - no Cavalier), but here's the one that's got me raising my eyebrows: Miko Kamui (female) + Asama From what I gather, Kanna in this pairing will only get two classes: Nohr Prince and Shugenja. -> Kanna's personal class is Nohr Prince. -> Asama goes first and gives him Shugenja. -> Kamui goes last, but can't give Nohr Prince or Shugenja, and neither have alternate classes. So she passes down nothing. ... That don't seem cool, but it might be what happens? Has anyone tried this, or found some guy somewhere who has and says this happens? And I'm assuming that other children prefer their father's class over their mother's if it comes down to it? So like... Dark Mage Kamui (male) + Ophelia -> Kanna gets Nohr Princess 'cause she's Kanna. -> Kamui goes next and gives Dark Mage. -> Ophelia goes last and gives Samurai, I think (which she got from Odin - Dark Mage was her personal, so he passed down Samurai). Or is it whatever she got from her mother? Last thing about supports is that based on what I've seen, Kanna seems to be an exception in Buddy/Marriage Seal land, and he (or she) will always try to share Kamui's secondary with his A+ and S supports. Is this true, and is whatever Kamui passes down always considered his secondary? If it is, and his buddy/spouse already has that as his primary, does he go straight for his secondary's alternate (since Nohr Prince/Princess has no alternate)? 'Cause normally, your third class isn't even up for grabs. Far as I can tell, Kanna's really the exception of the second generation, which is why I'm only wracking my brain for him. Or her.

Just a thing outta personal curiosity - I keep seeing some names for classes and stuff in English, but are those official names yet? I got a buncha notes and stuff, and well... I suppose I'd have to change all the names in it one day, but can I do it now, or should I wait?