RedRob
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Considering half the roster is already sword-users, this isn't that upsetting. In comparison, I was more annoyed about Azura being deconfirmed, before she become DLC. She was a major character in one of the three games Warriors focus on, and she was also a lance infantry, which would have added variety to the game.
So for once, I don't like Ike, and Roy's not my boy.
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Heard this on the subreddit, so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently during KT's announcement of the DLC, someone said
"Can you at least give us a hint on the dlc?"
"Ok, here's a hint at the Fates pack. There is clearly a missing sibling... oh I almost said too much."
Which means Azura is in as DLC. This actually annoys me since it shows they cut out a character just to make more money off us.
Here's the subreddit link for source:
EDIT: Nevermind, I was slow to hear the news. Just ignore my post.
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So I was looking through r/fireemblem today when I saw this in one of the threads there.
The OP of the thread noticed some letters of Lucina's new spear and translated it. No one's sure what it means, but it's an interesting easter egg to say the least.
Here's the original thread link. https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/6wp1ah/text_in_lucinas_spear_from_heroes_new_fire_emblem/
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Doubt you're going to find any more parallels. Echoes is a war-story so to speak, while Arthurian myths were more epics meant to show off a badass group of knights. I don't think there was much deeper meaning to them other, "obey your king" and "be honorable".
In short, they're of different genres, which limits the amount of parallels they can have. Heck, what you do have are mostly coincidences, or a cliche in regards number 3.
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1 hour ago, NekoKnight said:
Whatever rules that might apply to modern militaries (or just FMA?) probably aren't the same for the medieval society Fire Emblem takes place in. My guess is that "woman quits her job and becomes a housewife after getting married" is just an archaic Japanese cultural expectation.
Yeah, that seems to be the cultural expectation of Japan. The man is expected to take care of financial matters, while the wife quits her job to be a housewife and take care of her kids, or so I've heard. Wikipedia has more on it.
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55 minutes ago, David Boey said:
Well, there's Mycen. He apparently went from a soldier to a count, and that was under Lima IV. I can't imagine it would be any harder with a non-classist ruler.
Considering how old Mycen is, I think he might predate Lima. Though Mycen, for his importance in the plot, has a vague backstory. All we know is he worked his way up, and is apparently friends with the Emperor of the neighboring nation, somehow. That last part really annoys me because it's never explained how such a friendship came about.
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In regards to the game mucking up its themes, I think focusing some rewrites of some parts of the plot around making Rigel meritocratic to some degree would fix it. Have Alm be the son of a knight who worked his way up from being a commoner to earning the favor of Rudolf himself. Alm would still have the Brand, with the Duma Faithful coming after him, only they have come after him this time, resulting in his parents dying trying to protect him.(As to how Rudolf got ahold of Alm, they could just have a servant be entrusted to escape with Alm to deliver him to the King.) And everything would be the same from there more or less.
Berkut would still be the classist dick, but now it has resulted in Rudolf disliking him, believing him to be a mockery of Rigelian values with no real potential to be king, and a potential threat to Alm due to that behavior, hence why he is kept in the dark.
I got some more ideas on what to due for a rewrite of Echoes, but I think it would be more prudent for me to post that in it's own thread.
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15 hours ago, omegaxis1 said:
Actually, it seems like ALL Risen have Death Masks on them. Just the portrait makes it seem like they have faces still. Need to check it out to be sure, though. But it makes me wonder about a lot of information:
- Brady mentions that people "turn into Risen" when he's healing them. Does that mean that Death Masks form on them?
- Inigo and Kjelle mention friends that have become Risen, the latter actually recognizing Risen in the Drama CD. So does that mean that death masks actually are shaped in the features of the person themselves? Or are the masks forming on them slowly but they are still Risen?
So I checked, and the Risen in the animated cutscene where they're introduced do have masks, but the game just settles for using generic enemy portraits with glowing red eyes during gameplay for them. So that's consistent with Echoes origins for them. But looking at the wiki page for them, the concept of those bugs and the masks don't show up in situations like Henry using a single Risen arm to create an army of them in a Support. Add that to your examples, and the Death Masks start to seem like a retcon.
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14 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:
Something just occurred to me about this. The process of creating the Risen is to place a thanatophages into masks and then into corpses so they can become Risen. So how does Grima somehow gain the ability to automatically create the Risen on his own? Maybe the case of the "helmet/mask" is because he's able to automatically create the thanatophages and death masks on his own.
And something else to consider is that Grima might actually be a cross between dragon and thanatophages.
Another thing is that when we first saw the Risen in Awakening, only the Chiefs had masks, the other just looked like zombies.
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I figured it was some Cipher reference.
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18 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:
It wasn't specific to Degeneration. Just to strike them down should they for some reason start mistreating the locals or something.
In that case, why would she give Falchion to them? If they were to start mistreating the locals, they would toss it to protect themselves.
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38 minutes ago, Dragrath said:
From the reconned lore of Echoes the banishment should have happened well before Degeneration was first detected during the heyday of dragons. (no idea precisely how long before though)
Since both of them were in exile (Mila willingly following her brother) they wouldn't have known about the dragonstone solution.
In that case, if Degeneration was unheard of, why would Naga give them Falchion so they could be taken care of when it happened? At that point in time Naga would be unaware of their eventual fate.
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Added more to my original post, this time about the brands.
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34 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said:
I'm pretty sure that a "dragon that took a human form" is what a Manakete is supposed to be, unless there's a source that says differently.
Duma probably did make a Dragonstone, we just never saw it (otherwise he wouldn't have a human form). I'd assume that making a Dragonstone just delays degeneration instead of preventing it, as Anankos is mentioned to have owned a Dragonstone (Azura's pendant is made from a fragment of it) but it clearly didn't stop him from eventually going insane.
The wiki said the main difference between the the two is that a Manakete only has pointed ears as a sign of their heritage, and their powers are sealed in their dragonstone. Those that just assume a human form will have other traits to show it, like Mila.
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Yeah, I found the idea that the reason Mila didn't seal Duma because he was a Divine Dragon to make her racist. Like it's fine if the exiled Divine Dragon rules a country, but not the exiled Earth Dragon. Note the by exiled Earth Dragon, I'm referring to a hypothecial version of Duma, not Loptyr, in case I confused anyone. Plus she wanted all dragons to seal their powers, not only Earth Dragons. Saying she gave Duma a Falchion instead of having him make a dragonstone just because he was from her tribe, to once again make her look racist.
Though I don't think Duma had a stone as I'm pretty sure that sealing of one's power in a dragonstone stopped the degeneration. But as Medeus said, he didn't seem to mind having a human form. Heck, he doesn't even hate humans, and a dragonstone only momentarily weakens a dragon by having them assume a human form, as they can still access their dragon form, so it doesn't conflict too much with his power-based mindset.
I'm starting to think whoever wrote their new backstory wasn't too aware of previous canon and lore. Though I'm not sure that wasn't even consistent. I went to look at the wiki's Manakete page to do some fact checking, and it says Mila was just a dragon that took a human form, as she still has dragonic traits, which a Manakete wouldn't have, yet the page image for a Manakete is this.
Which is from the card for Manaketes in the card game. So again, not sure if the lore behind them is entirely consistent.
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8 hours ago, Thunderstar said:
The game never said they are Manaketes. Manaketes are dragons who sealed their power within a Dragonstone.
Eh, I just thought Manakete was the species name in general. I feel like you're getting worked up over a someone using basically using it as slang for dragonkind.
8 hours ago, Thunderstar said:It's not explained why they had a dispute but if Duma refused to seal his powers in a a dragonstone (he is interested in power so it would make sense to me), it's normal that he was exiled since he was against what Naga tried to accomplish. She didn't give the Falchion to them because she is a "bitch" like you said but probably because she knew Duma would turn insane and that someone needed to stop him from suffering and him harming innocent people.
Honestly, the bitch comment was just me trying to make fun of the situation, which I found kind of ridiculous. Their dispute is vague leaving the outcome of exile seeming a bit harsh, and then they get a suicide tool as a farewell gift. I also ended the joke off with saying I might need to apologize to Naga near the end of my post. And I feel like you're being condescending here. I noted why she gave it to them. No need to explain like I'm ignorant of everything.
8 hours ago, Thunderstar said:Both Mila and Duma are siblings so it makes sense they belong to the same species. Duma's dragon form looks like Mila's dragon skeleton too. For all we know, Mila maybe had a big eye too like Duma.
Also even though Anankos is not a Divine Dragon or a Manakete, his dragon form looks pretty much fucked up compared to Corrin's so it's possible that if they are insane for too long both their mind and body become affected.
I never said they were from different species, just that maybe they should have been Earth dragons instead of Divine ones, due to how Duma looked. And I don't think Anankos is good for comparison. As you said, he isn't connected to Archanean lore, just based off it. Plus Corrin is half-human, which might have played into how his dragon form looked. Granted, there is Nah, but I feel trying to compare the workings of genetics from different continuities to be pointless.
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43 minutes ago, Armagon said:
Duma wasn't exiled by Mila. He was exiled by Naga.
That was a goof near the end there. The rest of my post refers to Naga as the one who exiled him.
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I thought Dragons could still breed, it's just that their fertility drastically decreased, limiting their ability to repopulate. Not that they went full on sterile.
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When Gaiden was first released, it featured various things that wouldn't show up in other games until quite later. One such thing was having only a non-dragon source of conflict, in the forms of Duma and Mila( or just Duma since Mila didn't so up at all.) We all know this is a very unique thing as when it isn't a dragon causing trouble, it's a human related to one. Only two other continuities share this. Sacred Stones with the Demon King and Tellius with Ashnard and those Godesses. However with the release of Echoes, Gaiden doesn't really have that honor anymore with the two being Divine Dragons now. And for a decent reason.
Mila and Duma are just weird.( and I'm not just talking about Duma's original sprite.) As Gaiden, or Echoes as I will refer to it from now on, takes place in the same universe as Shadow Dragon and Mystery. This doesn't mean much in terms of plot as the only effect this had originally was Camus and the Whitewings showing up.(And they added nothing to the plot.) But the context it gives to the setting shows why making the two dragons was a good idea. Their original concept as gods brought up many questions. Are their other gods in this continuity? Why does some random country to the west have gods while Archanea doesn't? And then there's Falchion showing up too.
But Echoes answered those questions by giving them a backstory. They were both Manaketes living in Archanea, until Naga exiled Duma for a dispute they had, and Mila went with him out of familial love. But Naga wasn't a total bitch (it was just a dispute, hardly worth exile) and gave them a parting gift, another Falchion, so the two could kill themselves when faced with degeneration... Nevermind, she's a bitch. This explains why two "gods" were in Valentia as well as Falchion, and even adds some reason to Rudolph's plan to kill them. In the original, he was just tired of their influence over Valentia. Here, its because they're going mad, which can't be a good thing. It's never a good thing when gods go mad. So remaking them as dragons seems to be quite the logical move to make.
Until you remember they're Divine Dragons, with the power of gods apparently, like improving the land's fertility, or taking women's souls and turning them into empty shell of hot babes. Uh, what?
I mean, Mila can kind of work as a Divine Dragon, but her brother is basically proto-Grima. How the heck is this one-eyed monstrosity Divine in anyway? Earth might have been a better fit for them. (That or make them hybrids. Like they parents were from different tribes. What would happen in a case like that anyway?)
That said, I do have a theory that Duma's form here isn't his natural form. Rather he found out about that alchemist from Thabes work, and being the power-driven guy he is, used it to mutate himself to gain more power. Which adds some legitimacy to Naga's decision to exile him if that was the cause for it. Huh, guess I owe her an apology.
Well that's it for now. I add more to this later with the topic of the brands. But for now, I need a break.
EDIT: Okay so I'm back with the topics of the Brands this time, also a new addition to Echoes as Alm only had a birthmark in Gaiden from what I heard. Brands first showed in Fe4, being a mark on the skin that to show that the characters were part of bloodlines dating back to legendary warriors who made a bloodpact with dragons. This also showed up in Awakening, with the the royal family of Ylisse all having a brand to signify their connection with Naga and the First Exalt. Except for Lissa, who is a freak occurrance where the brand does not manifest. (Unless she does have it, only it's located on an internal organ of something.)
Both of those games are in or speculated to be in the same continuity as the Archanea games. Which makes Alm's and Celica's brands a bit weird. First off, it seems like Alm and Celica are the first with the Brands, or at the very least, the only ones in that generation. None of the other royal family members seem to have it. This is weird, especially when you consider how Lima was. Celica must have had bunch of siblings, yet only she has the brand. While Lissa shows the appearance of one isn't guaranteed, this is taking it a bit far. Secondly, they're the subject of a prophecy, which boils down to, "The Bearers of the brand will save Valentia." This is weird considering the how Brands have operated so far, which is basically being a mutation, for lack of a better word, that results from a bloodpact. Not some magical sign of fate. The whole deal comes off quite generic JRPG in contrast to the rest of the continuity, and if the brands are due to a bloodapct with Duma and Mila, then their portrayal leans closer to them being gods, not dragons, with the brands being a magical sign of fate, not a mutation.
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2 hours ago, Armagon said:
Still though.....the prologue is a bit inconsistent when you look at it real closely. Or who knows, maybe Gray was just an idiot when he said "she just moved here."
I'm telling ya, the writers can't do math. That or they didn't bother to check with each other.
While Gray might have been exgerating, I rewatched the prologue, and their brands are brought up by Alm saying and I'm copying straight from the text here "..Oh hey! See this? We have the same mark."
So unless Alm is blind, Celica couldn't have been there long, otherwise Alm would have noticed her brand by then.
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Fair enough I guess. At the very least, I hold onto that the relationship could have been written a lot better and in a more believable fashion.
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42 minutes ago, Armagon said:
Actually, Celica had been in Ram for three years. A woman in Zofia Castle mentions that the villa where Celica and Conrad where living in was burned 10 years ago, with neither Celica nor Conrad being found. When Celica reunites with Alm, she mentions that it's been 7 years. Celica's 17 in the main story, so 17-7=10. If she's 17 and the villa was burned 10 years ago, then 17-10=7. Just by doing simple math, you can find out how long Celica was in Ram before she had to leave. Three years is a good enough time to form a lifelong crush.
Even if it was just a month, it's still better than Awakening and Fates characters falling in love after having only 4 conversations.Eh, the impression I got from how they were speaking was that Celica hadn't been there that long,(Grey said she just moved there) plus I feel Celica and Alm would have talked about their brands already by then. I mean considering everyone seems to have x-ray vision when it comes to Alm's brand, he should have noticed hers fairly quickly. At the very least, the writers could have done better in setting up the relationship.
Also, there's this trope called Writers Cannot Do Math, so it's also possible that's just a mess-up on their part. Plus there's no explicit confirmation all 3 years were spent at Ram.
I'm actually more okay with how those two games did it since the timeline of the supports are really vague.
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I did enjoy the game's plot while playing it, but after reading this I'm kicking myself a bit for that. Still, I loved the art. Except the CGI. Christ that was horrible.
I think a major problem was that there was never a really any buildup to the themes. Like Alm is all angsty about not having any family and being alone after killing Berkut(which is such a stupid name) and Rudolph, but we never see any hints to that except in the prologue. Really hard to feel for Alm as a result. Especially since I think having to care for someone because they're blood-related is stupid. Like Alm has had no good experiences with those two at all, and yet is all sad about killing them.
I also found Almelica(AlmxCelica) to have a poor basis as I gathered form the dialogue in the prologue she's been in Ram for a... month or so? Yeah, that's enough to form a lifelong crush. Gods, I hated those scenes. Forms the backbone of the plot, but I can't give a damn about it.
Ike and Roy deconfirmed for FE Warriors
in Fire Emblem Warriors
Posted · Edited by RedRob
Simple, she's fanservice in both sense of the word. She's a popular character and physically attractive. Course, Ike could fall under the same category, but I think the designs in the DS games,(not counting remakes) show what IS thinks it's audience is.