Vanil
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4 hours ago, Owain Dark said:
That's rather.... Scummy and unfortunate oof. Hopefully they add it back in sometime if that is the case.
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In the end I'll probably see which supports I like the most of the 3. Chances are I'll just recruit Linhardt though since he doesn't have any immediate baggage like the others.
After the release though and some time passes I'll probably just @ their Twitter once or twice. Doubt they'll patch any more options in to appease people, but hey. Maybe in FE17 if they keep romance we won't have this issue again.
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6 minutes ago, Lord of Riva said:
I have no clue why but i can not quote your post or even highlight it so my apologies if i miss something.
I voiced multiple times now that the voiced opinions are valid arguments, they are just not "facts" and can (and should... ) be debated.
However i also do expect people to differentiate between opinion and fact, solely since wrongly stating opinion as fact is a debate technique to discredit the other sides argument. It is the basis of respect to do this, otherwise i would have to assume that most people do not know what they are talking about, that is not something i would do... it would be rather unproductive.
And I am now confused about your confusion with my statement XD
why would the ratio Male to male and young to old be in any way a quality difference compared to the female side?
No, nobody would, is that why it is disregarded? nice.
This is also called conjecture or interpretation, hardly a basis for telling someone a homophobe.
It's like me saying you are an Arsonist, because i think your profile picture shows signs of you being a psychopath, would you like people collectively attacking you on that basis? no? i did not think so.
Mobile is being weird with quoting so gonna leave all that in ig.
That's not why it's being disregarded no, just that why are you saying "Y'know you can get sued so shh"
And here is where I drop out. At least what I am saying as some form of logic behind. That example is just. Horrible. Whatever.
All in all. Imo at least it feels like the m/m options are picked as the options someone who is against m/m would care about the least. Is there concrete proof. No, but it comes across that way. So like. Whatever. The options are fine as it is but the way they're picked.
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1 minute ago, Lord of Riva said:
But serious question, you guys have also laws that protect one from false accusations and defamation, yes and (acted) homophobia is also against the law?
It is not that i expect anyone to act like this, but i find it flabbergasting to interact with people and flinging such accusations around on basically no information.
I don't think such laws are even a point here. What? Someone is gonna track everyone down and sue us all for saying we feel like the choices they pick have some seed of homophobia ingrained into it? No.
And there IS information though. You've been dismissing it though. The information isn't a straight up recording of the devs saying the hate queer men. But by examining what we know and asking why we can form some theories/thoughts on the matter.
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2 minutes ago, Lord of Riva said:
I am not saying it is Silly, I am saying it is subjective. And this is also not meant to say it is not valid.
but going from "I think you missed your target Audience here guys, your options are kinda shit" to saying they are homophobic is a stretch, it's not only a logical stretch but one about human decency. How can someone, or in this case a part of a community, go to such an extent. Saying some is homophic should be a definitive and LAST step, not the first one your take as it is a real issue don't you think?
It comes across as not being valid when you've been completely dismissive and refuse to understand others PoV on the matter.
I really don't see how it's a stretch to come to that conclusion based off what we know and the clear differences. But if you think it's a stretch then that's fine.
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5 minutes ago, Lord of Riva said:
I would assume it's is the minority as the people wanting same sex relationships will be the minority... as this would reflect the actual world.
but nvm that does not really matter, there is a lot of people complaining and thats okay, maybe you will even change things like it happened with Fates. (if that is desirable though is on another page, THEN it will definitely be "hamfisted")
Most people are really not invested in any of this, most people simply do not care much about any pre-release stuff at all or FE in general, most people do not use twitter in that capacity either. The active FE community is NOT the majority of purchasers. I am not saying that to devalue your position (or others) but your perception there is simply not correct.
Listen to yourself my friend, this is the bread and butter of the argument here, you feel and you think others are better and you think they prefer and explanations are excuses from straight people.
This is incredibly subjective and I am not faulting you. It can be frustrating if you expect something and get something else but coming to this:
Ends in full on dismissive and harsh conjecture that has basically nothing to do what has been said, is being said or even what has been thought. Bringing this negativity, baseless, into the discussion is rather harmful and hateful even.
Okay let me clarify, the majority of people actively talking about the game currently. Yes overall it's probably an overall minority but that doesn't change the that a lot of people clearly aren't happy.
My point IS NOT "Wah I hate old men where's my studs" though. It's more that it feels like it's a conscious choice to pick and choose the options as they did. Yeah I don't have video proof of the devs saying that exactly but you can't honestly act like these points are silly.
What exactly do you mean by "never been thought"? There's certainly people on other sites saying stuff like that. It's not dismissive in the slightest. Sure I'll get you the devs probably didn't say that out loud all casually, but the fans against same sex supports existing in the first place are certainly saying that. There has been both people saying they'd cancel their pre order if Claude is an option it isn't.
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It just baffles me at how people legit think the people who are upset and in the minority here. It's been one of the most discussed topics since the info dropped everywhere. While SF is more limiting in who posts, places like Twitter are a good example. These people are the audience the game is being sold to. There is far more people upset than those who are not. And again since I feel like this point is ignored. We don't have to get rid of Alois or Gilbert, but you can't say how this isn't pandering when the f/f options are as it is and the m/m are as it is. You just can't argue the m/m feels more like an afterthought when the f/f has great picks and front line plot related characters as picks. Whether or not the supports turn out good isn't really the issue. If the supports and characters turn out great then that's great. It does come across as them preferring to pander to the men who play as the female MC anyways, while going "Oh yeah we need some M/M supports to shut up those who like it" then following it up with "Dimitri/Claude are the main Lords and what person would let a queer lead them. They might try something on the MC" or whatever excuse straight people tend to invent. Honestly again they should have done something more fair such as: Lord/1 Male/1 Female per house and 3 non-student girls and 2 guys so it would be more even. But ofc being even is too much to ask so let's make it horribly unbalanced and make BE have more options, BL have one option, and GD have none.
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31 minutes ago, Bloom said:
I wonder if we bitch enough they would patch in better gay options for M!Byleth because as it stands now, the devs can fuck off.
Why is it THIS predicted this shit a year ago?
Patching more options in sounds like the best bet tbh. I don't really understand the whole "Guess we have to wait til the next FE game!!" thing, when it's very possible nowadays to just patch in something.
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5 minutes ago, Lord of Riva said:
I will not take on Kiran on his statement, I do not want to be part of derrailing another thread, I am open to discuss this though, if someone opens a Thread or send me a PM, you would not be the first.
What is wrong with the characters then? Don't you think that your own preferences would dictate which people you would prefer as same sex options?
I see nothing wrong with the characters they chose and from what little we know you actually do not know how the characters are done, you might even like them as characters.
i know a lot of Gays that prefer rather androgynous partners, this does not align with what I like though , does that mean now that their preference would be bad representation or mine?
This argumentation simply does not work. (I'm off to bed now anyways, so you guys have to decide if you want to answer this *shrug* it's late in my Time-zone)
I think it's rather obvious what the issue is. The issue isn't exactly that they picked old men. It's that it's very clear that for the f/f options they picked plot relevant characters and characters that were very clearly made with the intent of being popular. While for the m/m options instead of picking a plot relevant character like Dimitri/Claude, or some of the dudes whose design would warrant popularity, they went with two old men. One of which is already married and has a kid, and the other likely has a kid too based on what we know. So it's kinda obvious the m/m were afterthoughts when they could have easily made the Lords an option too, and fans for the most part would have accepted it even if they weren't huge fans of the lords. Besides the vast majority of players tend to prefer the lords over the others. So it just makes more sense to use a character who is more or less guaranteed to be a fan fav than just what we have. Not saying the old men options shouldn't exist at all, but to purposely not include someone more relevant. Like it's hard to not see why people aren't happy to me.
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3 minutes ago, Spirit in Black said:
So, let me get this straight: F!Byleth gets to choose between all the best girls but M!Byleth is stuck with:
- the guy that could easily pass as a girl
- The closeted married dude with a kid
- someone old enough to be your grandfather
You cannot make this shit up. It's so bizarre.
It's even more bizarre that people honestly don't understand how this makes people upset. "It's 3x more male options than Fates!". Like yes but IS knows the Lords are usually the most popular characters. So it just makes sense to use them as picks. Honestly you can even get away with not making them options by just picking any other student who probably has infinite more relevance than the two old options the game provides.
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The idea of 7 options each though does personally make the most sense to me. It could have been something along the lines of:
BE: Edelgard, Dorothea, Linhardt (2F/1M)
BL: Dimitri, Mercedes, A non important male (3F/3M)
GD: Claude, a non important male & female (4F/5M)
Non students: Rhea, Sothis, Non student female (7F/5M)
Non students: Alois and Gilbert (7F/7M)
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1 minute ago, firewitch912 said:
I didn't mean to sound accusatory, and I'm sorry if I did. My main thing is that there shouldn't even need to be that comparison between m/m and f/f options in a way that's insulting to queer women. The f/f options are good, provided all Thani spoilers are true, and we shouldn't disparage them because of the lacking m/m options. Comparing the two can give us a good starting point for asking for more/better m/m rep in fire emblem games, but we should also make sure that our focus is on the overarching plethora of m/f options and how those compare to all same sex options.
Fair enough, that would certainly be ideal. Who knows though, iirc the DLCs are also coming out with free updates. Perhaps if we are heard enough they can slip in more options with that free update.
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1 minute ago, firewitch912 said:
I mean yes, the options between m/m and f/f would be more fair and balanced if we had older w/w options. However, we also need to compare our options to the m/f options. In a game where 2/3 of the men and women are youthful and conventionally attractive (even though all of the older women are still conventionally attractive despite age), it seems disheartening that the same sex options would be 2/3 older people
Oh, yes it would be. However as I originally stated, I said if that was the case I would probably be less upset if that was the case. Not that I wouldn't be upset in general.
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2 minutes ago, firewitch912 said:
1. Yeah, it would be better if there were additional students as options. And a lord, because that way we also have a major character as an option.
2. This is really less about f/f options and more about how women are portrayed in video games and media in general. And there would still be an issue if f/f included some of the noticeably older characters as a majority of their options. The issue would just be more general in how they handled same sex options rather than a focus on m/m ones
Yeah, it's more about female characters in fiction in general. Though its still something I feel the need to point out. Since a lot of the arguments I have been seeing lately is that mlm players should be grateful they are getting good representation with older mlm characters/conventionally unattractive characters , and when people point out its not fair there is usually the whole "Well x is an old wlw option" argument being thrown back, even though she's like eternally youthful/old but still young enough to be considered beautiful. Though what I am trying to say is that, if the f/f options were similar with like 1 student and two of the older characters then people probably wouldn't be as mad at the clear bias. Sure the focus of the issue would shift but at least the options would be considered more fair/unbias. Idk.
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I honestly wouldnt mind the old options as much if we:
1. Had more younger characters, possibly including the lords since lets be real. It's obvious the lords are always going to be popular, so it makes sense to just make them an option too.
2. The female options had older options. And I dont mean what they have now, I mean make an actual old hag character with wrinkles and stuff. Whenever theres an older women character she is still young/youthful. At least from what I obverse.
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Can't say I am surprised at the options they (apparently) gave for Male Byleth. What a disappointment 😕
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Tfw most of my +10s are blue units. But hey I love her so I am happy even if I failed to pull any +Atk or Spd.
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This banner has been rather fair to me to be honest?
My Summer Laegjarn is at 40+8, and I only had two pity breakers. The pity breakers being Mordecai and Selkie. If I had to complain about anything though it would be that I have yet to pull an Atk or Spd Summer Laegarn. So currently I am using a HP asset one until I pull one or the other.
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I'll most likely go for Claude if I can romance the males. There's a few others I'd go for, but currently just him. After the game is out I'll probably figure out who else I'd go for on second/onwards playthroughs. (or first ig if Claude can't be romanced as a male).
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+10'd this happy boi this morning around 12am my time.
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Finished my 2nd +10 unit last night while I was pulling for Yune/L!Azura.
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I'm not really attached to anyone here since I didn't play this FE game however Idunn and Sue look rad so I may try for them.
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Only did the free pull so far, and it was a +Atk/-Res Duma. I'll take it, dunno if I'll roll more on this banner though. I still want more merges on the Fates furries.
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Luckily I pulled Valentine's Ike, Lyn, and Roy all back to back. So I have no reason to focus on those banners anymore. Gonna try to go for Keaton since he is up there on my best boys list.
Serenes Forest 5★ Lv.40+10 Compendium Thread
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Finished him a bit ago, However here is my +10 Corn. Luckily I got +Atk for my last merge. He had the displeasure of being +Res until +9.