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Gordin's great. One hard pill to swallow for people is that Snipers are actually really good in Book 2. 7 move in and outdoors with very light terrain penalties is just great and fliers are very prevalent all game making there effective damage always relevant. Not being able to retaliate at 1 range isn't such a big deal since enemies are usually very sparse. Having access to good 2 range also has some hidden benefits of being able to counter 1-2 range enemies with proper placement, something the sword locks have trouble with as their only weapon to do so is the Levin sword. Another not talked much about benefit of the Sniper is their Legendary weapon comes in Chapter 8. While it is true you can get the Legendary sword in Chapter 7/8/9 you miss out on a recruitment in doing so which locks you out of the perfect ending if you care about that.
It's very beneficial to run 2 snipers because of all their benefits. FE3 is really nice about deployment so you absolutely have space for them. Gordin's only really competition for the slot of second Sniper is Ryan who starts at level 1 and has to fullfil as 400 exp gap and will likely need some starshard investment to be able to use the Parthia in a timely fashion. I've used Gordin in both a growths run and a 0% growths run and, while he performed better in the former due to inevitably having better stats, he was still solid in 0% growths through about C16 after which his damage started to fall off. If you skip the Falchion then both Gordin and Jeorge are very good candidates for weakening Medeus.
As far as comparing Gordin to the rest of the cast. I'd say he's about on par with Jeorge, Ogma, and Navarre. All fill in the role of 7 move unit with good offense and light terrain penalties but Gordin also has the benefit of joining earlier than the other 3 and helps out with some of the earlier flier spam maps. He'll never be as good as the Non-Est Fliers or some of the really strong utility units like Wendell/Yuliya/Phina but he still fits pretty nicely in the upper echelon of the cast.
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On 7/5/2018 at 12:27 PM, Irysa said:
unlike valk h4
Oof
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https://serenesforest.net/thracia-776/miscellaneous/calculations/
Staff accuracy = [Staff accuracy + (4 x Skill)] % [maximum value is 99] This is incorrect. Staff accuracy caps at 100. I worked on a TAS run recently and can confirm this.
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Functionally in FE3 I've always found Cecil and Luke to be the cav pair with Rody as the third wheel since they are nearly identical in important stats.
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3 hours ago, Reinfleche said:
Thracia 776: Thracia, on the other hand, has a much more normal class system. There is a generic Warrior in 2x, and every boss from Chapter 3 onwards is promoted (in the chapters that have bosses, anyway. Some don't... Thracia is weird too). And it therefore also has no excuse for the Final Chapter having generic Dark Mages and Armor Knights. Well, maybe the Dark Mages have an excuse, because they wouldn't want them to share a map sprite with Veld...
Dark Mages are promoted enemies in Thracia, they give promoted exp and even one of your units promotes into one.
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The goal of this run was to try and achieve the lowest turn count possible in this game using all tools the game has available and recruiting every unit along the way. This gives me free access to using move stars all game and enables units to level movement every level. Surprisingly the game doesn't completely devolve into being trivial but instead new strategies can open up that were not possible before to make several areas quite interesting in solving turn saves.
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I did some speed running for SDA way back in the day. I don't know if any of my runs are still up. I like speed running but it's just too time consuming for me to do anymore.
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Ok so I couldn't figure out how to decipher that RNG map you linked but I decided instead to map it myself. When I was looking into the games RNG I found the positions for 94 and 12 but they were located at positions 35 and 47. Not sure why there is a discrepancy there but upon testing it I confirmed those as being the correct positions so I'm going to roll with it. I should be able to develop a program to search these RNG strings for similarities and maybe find positions where Felgus can reliable hit through Great Shield. I'd also probably look into reliably getting a 2 star movement star or a 1 star movement star but I see that as unlikely to happen. Worth a shot though cause it could save a lot of time. Not sure what all strings would be relevant but if I can develop a program to solve this I should be able to get away with almost anything provided it doesn't take to long to find a reliable position.
I definitely think Felgus is the best way to go about this. He costs no time to recruit, has reliable crit setups, and needs to be trained a little bit anyways so it makes sense. For avoiding the Hammerne on the fire sword a viable option may be to grab the fire sword in chapter 10. The armor is a little difficult to capture so I'll look into a reliable way of doing that. Might be worthwhile to grab the Armorslayer in chapter 3.
Edit: Ok so I did some quick testing with the seeds and found 2 more points of interest. At position 270(If a reset is treated as position 1) the game always rolls a 9. This means this position could be used to get Felgus his magic proc as well as proc move stars on 2 star units. At position 641 the game always rolls a 0. This position could be used to get a move star on 1 star units as well as get a unit a move growth. It takes a decent amount of time to reach the latter point(As well as it being difficult to keep track of) so I don't know how helpful it would be.
Edit2: Ok so I found out at certain positions I can get Fergus to get a success rate of 85-90% against the midgame bosses which is great. Against bosses that can counter he wants to attack from position 45 which can probably be setup.
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Ok so I was a little bored today and decided to look into some things. First thing I noticed is the runs use RNG manipulation which is kinda tricky in Thracia. Thracia's RNG relies on a timer that picks one of 64 different seeds. It's impossible for a human player to manipulate this. They appear to have calculated when the RNG from different seeds ends up lining up in order to get things like Safy's hammerne misses. I don't know if the runners have some tool publicly available but I would be able to code one up probably to find areas where RNG lines up across multiple seeds for other unreliable strats.
Looking at the routes in general I think using Felgus would be optimal. Magu while having the faster run is almost 8 minutes behind ryuta after Manster. While he does make up this time a lot of that is due to ryuta doing some questionable strategies around the mid game like picking up the charge manual and Tina in 12x and recruiting Ced in 23 which ended up losing him all his time he saved compared to Magu. Felgus isn't an ideal boss killer but assuredly a route can be found where he's faster than all the time lost by getting Asbel. Felgus only struggles to kill the boss of 21 and 22. If he gets a single point in magic which could probably be easily rigged during the manster chapters he reliably kills the boss of 22. 21 boss would be the big issue here since he has 17 magic and 44 hp. I think Fliers can attack the boss here at one range so Dean or Eda can do it with the killer lance. Dean would be ideal but I think it might be better to ditch him since I don't see any reason save Linoan and she wastes a unit slot. Eda killing him has about a 50% chance of success so it might be possible to manipulate that to 100%.
Also Another idea for the chapter 22 boss might be picking up Illios or Misha.
On 9/18/2017 at 4:47 PM, Reality said:The only weird thing I notice with the JPN record is chapter 20. I feel like blocking the spawn points would save animation time. Although on the other hand I think so many units are captured that you can't block enough of them. Not sure if the 16ish minutes of Chapter 20 would go down enough with the animation time blocked out to justify the time spent not letting people get captured.
This is tricky. The only way really do this to save time would be to manipulate move stars. And the only units that likely have a reliable enough move star rate that it wouldn't take too long to reliably manipulate would be Ronan, Sara, Perne, and Sleuf. Also Tina but I don't think recruiting her is worth the time cost. It certainly would be something to look into though.
Sub 2 hours should be possible just looking at the mistakes made by both runners.
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Molotov did a run over on SpeedDemosArchive http://speeddemosarchive.com/FireEmblemThracia776.html
It's segmented and much slower than magu's run but the western scene isn't completely devoid of life.
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I'm of the opinion that even under the worst set of pairings most kids will still be generally fine so this is a little tricky but it's a fun thought experiment.
Adean: So Lana is basically impossible to screw over. The worst we can do for her is give her a physical dad so she has a slighly less than ideal magic growth. Lester is essentially trash regardless of pairing but we can screw him over even more if we take away inheritance and skills. Holyn and Claud offer both of these things but Claud is actually a good pairing for both of these units imo for Lana's staff rank and Lester's Res stat so Holyn is the worst.
Ayra: Again really hard to mess these kids up since they are essentially the same regardless of dad. Their only stats that are really relevant are strength and defense so we want a dad that minimizes these so Lewyn, Azel, and Claud. Lewyn gives skills so he's a no go and Claud gives a good res growth so Azel it is.
Lachesis: This is a tough one. The only stats that really matter on these two is strength which will always be good. Even if you were to screw Dairmuid out of inheritance he would still be able to pick up a weapon in chapter 6 inherited through Seliph or Larcei and patch himself right up so that doesn't matter. They would like pursuit but it's not a requirement at all. Worst I can do is Arden.
Sylvia: Uh... Stats don't matter for these two like at all. Skills don't matter either. Someone brought up charge earlier as a way to kill them but considering charge only procs at > 24 hp that's super unlikely to happen. The only thing I can think of is getting Lene no way to exploit the Arena which isn't even the worst deal. Jamke I guess.
Erin: Ced wants a magic dad so the worst we can do to him is give him a physical dad so he has low base magic. Fee's stats generally don't matter but I guess low bulk would be a problem. I guess Midayle for the subpar bulk on Fee and the bad magic.
Tailto: Tinni is a late game staff bot so having her do poorly in the arena would be the only bad thing you could do to her. Problem is that she has wrath so that's pretty much impossible. I guess just don't give her Lex. Arthur is also kinda hard since I could still see him being decent filler with a physical dad though he'll be your worst promoted Cav. Bargain would help Tinni so I guess Noish is all I have left.
Briggid: I'm sorta out of bad dad's at this point. Faval is bad regardless of dad but I guess not giving him charge would be good. Patty only wants to clear the arena so I think the worst here would be Claud.
It's worth noting that Holyn is like the worst dad for half the cast.
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Final Chapter is here:
SpoilerAnd the ending:
SpoilerTotal number of Levels(Experience): 1027(A)
Total number of Turns(Tactics): 154(A)
Total number of Losses(Combat): 1(A)
Total number of units lost(Survival): 0(A)
Total: A
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Chapter 10:
SpoilerNot too different from standard LTC strats. I do use Buttface though to try and make Arvis more reliable, there still only has somewhere between a 5 and 10% chance of success but it's way better than the 0.2% or whatever the original strat used.
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Chapter 9:
SpoilerWooh it's great to know my theory for this chapter ended up working out. I thought an 11 turn was possible for a while but I wasn't able to get any proof of it until now. Charlot also hit level 9 so he should be able to cap by the final and Julia did cap this chapter so that's cool. I'm probably going to end up overshooting my level estimate by about 20 levels or so but that's fine.
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Chapter 8:
SpoilerThis maps kinda poorly laid out. It's just two straight lines and as a result there is no incentive for me to not use Seliph to solve every problem. All my units are looking pretty good though, especially on money, and Fee hit her benchmarks for chapter 9 finally.
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Chapter 7:
SpoilerThis chapter was unfortunately a lot more unreliable than I wanted it to be particularly at Darna castle. I could have tried to grab more kills on the light sword to improve reliability but originally I planned to have more money a was going to use the pursuit ring but because of Leif's inventory bug and my unwillingness to reroute around that we I get this. Leif does end up promoting at the end though which is all that really matters. Looks like I will be able to get Ares and Jeanne promoted by chapter 9 as well which will be helpful.
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6 hours ago, Aya Shameimaru said:
If you miss with 99% several times (it happens like a half dozen times in every run for me) with the knowledge you should have 100%, it will become frustrating.
I was talking about the hit floor of 1% not the hit ceiling of 99%.
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9 minutes ago, Armagon said:
I will disagree with you here though. If you don't pay attention to Heroes' Weapon Triangle, then you're going to lose.
Yeah that's my point. It's a game of rock paper scissors and I don't care for it.
9 minutes ago, Armagon said:Ch.24x does have Fog of War as well. An unknowing player may end up warping their units right onto a warp trap.
24x is actually fairly well laid out to prevent that. Both the boss room and Eyvel's room are marked so you can completely avoid the hallways if you wish.
Edit: Chapter 12 would be a better example of FoW causing problems since you really can't know where Salem is until turn 2 when he's probably already put someone to sleep. Though that's less of a problem since sleep isn't too big of a deal as far as status effects go and it's likely done to teach the player about them.
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7 minutes ago, Armagon said:
You have a point. Though FE5 also does Weapon Rank as opposed to FE3's Weapon Level system. So FE5 units with a low sword rank will be disadvantaged. Sure, the Elite Sword exists, but that's one sword vs several dismounted units. Who do you pick?
Also, can we all agree that the Weapon Triangle was implemented horribly in Jugdral? It was either really broken (FE4) or practically non-existent (FE5).
Like Ch.24x's warp traps.
From memory the only units who their indoor sword ranks hurts them are Eda, Glade, Hicks, and probably the scrubs from chapter 9 but I can't remember their weapon ranks. Usually I deploy Glade regardless of his sword rank though for that sweet leadership boost.
I like the weapon triangle in FE5. It's not strong enough to significantly disadvantage you when you are forced to be at a disadvantage but still relevant when trying to make strategies as reliable as possible. Never found the whole rock paper scissors idea to be strategically interesting if I'm to be honest and heroes is imo the worst implementation of it. FE4 just screws over Lex, Johan, and Johalva when the need to fight sword users(especially in the arena) for the most part hit rates are pretty high in FE4 and even at WTD you should be near 100 hit.
The warp tiles are silly but I think overstated. I've always viewed them as a tool to discourage slow play since they don't matter in 16B they can be avoided by using fliers and rescue dropping units and in 24x they can be avoided by using warp staves to hop around the map. Not the best way to discourage slow play though as it usually the makes players frustrated and feel the need to power through it rather than look for alternative better strategies so I'm not in total disagreement with you about them.
6 minutes ago, Emperor said:Thats the thing, the game should not reward you for that. Those characters, the pre pomotes like Nimme and yodel in FE6 exist for those reasons.
I don't see a problem. It's not really a reward but a way to ensure players that screwed up big time don't have to reset the whole game which usually leads to players quitting the game. Gaiden characters aren't good but serviceable and can hardly be viewed as a "reward".
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3 minutes ago, Armagon said:
It was different in FE3 because the Weapon Triangle didn't exist. So if there were ever lance-users, dismounted swordies would never feel at a disadvantage.
The weapon triangle in FE5 is 5% so I don't see your point. It barely matters.
2 minutes ago, Emperor said:They are skippable sure but they reword you for playing bad which is what I dont like in video games. They incentive's you to kill of your units which is odd in a FE game. In FE you WANT your units to live, you shouldt wanna to kill them off. Its not just that they are dumb, its that they go AGAINST FE principles. Also honestly it being ugly as fucking sin is a bigger reason. SNES and GBA FE games looked better. NES games looked better what happend IS?
I actually like the SD gaiden requirements unlike most. While I've personally never been to a gaiden chapter they pretty much exist to get players who screwed up back on their feet. The problem with them ends up being the fanbase is obsessed with keeping all their units alive so most players, even if they are struggling, will never see them and feel like they missed out on content.
5 minutes ago, Emperor said:Basic difficulty is when you make things tougher yes, but if you make it tougher by artificially inflating the states to an absurd amount and add no new moves/enemy placement/reinforcement etc, then it became artificial.
Hmm. Usually artificial difficulty is used in the context that "More Failure = More Difficult" and the game tries to maximize the players failure rate in an attempt to make the game more difficult. This usually involves pulling bs that the player can't see coming and has no warning for. Many old games are guilty of this. What inflating stats(Particularly HP and DEF) does is make the game more tedious sometimes. It really depends on the game. I think SD and NM do a pretty good job of inflating the right stats (SPD and ATK) while enemies are generally around as durable as they were on the easier modes. Though I particularly remember the chapter 3 boss of SD H5 to be bullshit.
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I don't get why people care about the no guaranteed miss. 1% isn't a big deal and it ends up making the game less annoying cause it means enemies don't stop attacking once they hit 0 hit like they do in FE4 which is hella dumb. Alternatively they could make the enemies not care about 0% hit rates but then people will make fun of them for having dumb AI. The 99% hit ceiling is annoying though. My theory is they did this to account for the immortal characters. In a remake though this could be fixed by giving those characters a hidden skill that caps hit rate on them at 99% and causes them to dodge all lethal attacks. I will say though that the 99% hit ceiling is less of a deal that people make it out to be. Thracia is loaded with supports skills that end up boosting your hit rates so that if you play cleverly you'll always be at around 90% hit or more which ends up making things about as reliable as most modern FE games even without true hit. But yeah no reason to have the hit ceiling but the hit floor should stay imo.
Throne boosts are usually not an issue and I actually like them. They encourage support and skill stacking to overcome the bonuses which is good fun. Chapter 21 is an instance of bad design however since it's one of the few points in the game where you can't stack supports very well to counter the boosts.
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16 hours ago, Devnad said:
I consider Thracia a hardcore Fire Emblem jaunt that only dedicated fans should try, and they pretty much can't go in blind.
Nah I disagree with this only cause I know people who have gone in blind and really loved the game. One guy I know who I got to try out the game tried getting into the series previously when a friend showed him some of the other games in the series with FE8, then FE7, then FE4 and he disliked all of them only making it a few chapters into each. I ended up telling him to try Thracia and he came back loving it. It's certainly a game players can enjoy on their blind run or even on a run without much FE experience.
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1 minute ago, Flee Fleet! said:
Also, some people are stating that New Mystery of the Emblem is a difficult game, more than even Thracia. I've only played the 7 Prolouge chapters, and may continue playing, so can anyone tell me why it's considered difficult?
Lunatic and Lunatic Reverse are definitely some of the most difficult modes of any game. I think Lunatic Reverse's method of adding difficulty is a little uninteresting but Lunatic is still pretty good even if you need to hit stat benchmarks is needed for certain areas to be reliable. I personally prefer to stay on Maniac mode.
The great thing about NM is that the easier difficulties are actually super easy so the more casual players are able to enjoy the game without much trouble while the harder difficulties are really challenging so the more hardcore players can also enjoy the game.
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7 minutes ago, NoNameAtAll said:
Heal staffs missing is a bullshit mechanic. Heal staffs doubling is too (since they can break). Dismounting does nothing but screw over units who were otherwise good (Hi Dean) while empowering units who were already amazing (Hi Fergus and Carrion). Fog of War is terrible in this game since it doesn't only obscure units; it obscures terrain which can be a major make or break. Torches? Sure, that's fine. But why do I have to use torches to see the goddamn map? Negative statuses are auto-hit if your character's MAG is too low. RES isn't a thing in this game. And the fact they never wear out unless you have a restore staff is horseshit.
I agree Thracia has flaws but some corrections here.
1. Dean is actually very good when dismounted because he has A swords giving him access to some of the best tools in the game.
2. Status staves can miss, they have a hit rate of 60 + sklx4.
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