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    We Need Serenes Forest Mafia Mafia 5 After All! - GAME OVER

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    On 4/10/2018 at 1:33 PM, Bartozio said:

    See Refa, the answer to this fairly obvious.... oh...

    Basicly this, yeah. New players tend to have difficulty coming up with reads, which is fine. However, they can then at least say stuff like I don't really find anyone suspisious, or be asked for their opinion on things. SoySoy on the other hand is basicly saying he shouldn't give opinions on anything because his reasoning will be different from most of ours, which is ???

    It feels more like he's avoiding giving reads, instead of just not having them.

    I don't get the feeling Soysoy is a new player though; he mentions being unfamiliar with the environment/meta here as opposed to the game of Mafia in general. I also don't see the post you're referring to when you say you think Soysoy's making excuses-my best guess would be that you mean the post re: environment/meta in which case I didn't really see that as an attempt to make an excuse for something.

     

    I don't think Athena's overexplaining in their Soysoy vote, but it does feel like felt pressured to explain their "own reasons" for voting even though they also explicitly stated they were sheeping it for pressure.

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    On 4/10/2018 at 12:51 PM, Walrein said:

    overnight posting didn't really change my reads much 

    my initial athena vote was for saying "I'd like to break us out of rvs" and doing exactly nothing to help us do so

    and now it's also for the post i quoted above + some general gut vibes 

    nobody else stands out as sus to me

    I'm going to have a fun time catching up.

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    I have like an hour before class so let's see how much I can read before then. I started yesterday but didn't get to read through that much ;-; As of page 5 I have a scumlean on Athena. Their first post is like "Alright let's get out of RVS quickly"  and they proceed to just randvote Zeus and not do much towards exiting RVS, and although I see them asking a lot of questions I don't see much indicating they're considering the answers they receive. Kind of feels like they're just trying to appear helpful. 

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    2 hours ago, RADicate said:

    Yea we good I just needed an excuse to join :3

    How does avenging Dr. Proctor's' untimely death sound? We'll do it together!

    Edit: Ah, hold up. Just realized life's not 100% in order yet. Out, but put me as a sub ^_^

    Alice in Brexitland Mafia - Game Over

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    21 hours ago, Refa said:

    Arcanite has never played scum before, so it reads as a botched attempt at blending in (especially considering the post doesn't contribute otherwise).  I thought she was sure that three townies would die, which read as scummy because how would Town!Arcanite be confident in that?  I did misread how confident Arcanite was, so I don't think the "three townies might die" thing is scummy anymore.  I still think the post reads as a botched attempt at blending in, and nothing else has bothered me so far.

    I don't have any feelings towards Weapons.  Not reacting to BBM's claim isn't bad, it's just the only thing that stood out to me about his post.  Wouldn't have even mentioned it ordinarily, but wanted to get Prims' thoughts on the matter.

    So what was it that made you think Arcanite was actually less confident in that? Because to me it still reads as someone trying too hard to look like they're uninformed. I especially don't like Arcanite's post on page 3 about this, as it looks like a lot of backtracking with things like, "Oh, I shouldn't have said it but I was just looking for reactions!" Their comment on the "will" vs "might" bit also feels like an overreaction to something that could have easily been a matter of Refa misreading or interpreting Arcanite's original post differently.

     

    19 hours ago, BBM said:

    anyways arcanite's response to the pressure against them wasn't good but neither were the votes against them.

    i'm not really sure why you're voting them via? is it just because of what prims said? refa's vote is nitpicky but eh I can see it as town misreading a bit and thinking they caught some kind of slip. i feel like prims's vote here is the worst just because I don't really know what he's going for? arcanite's post talking about my claim IS kind of filler but like... so what? it's RVS. it also bothers me a bit that he didn't vote for it until after refa did.

    given that this is only arcanite's second game I think I don't really think a poor response to pressure is alignment indicative. i'm a bit frustrated that they're getting run up early actually because now the majority of their d1 is going to be about the initial votes against them and their initial response and so forth and i feel like it's going to be hard to get a grasp on his alignment from that

     

    There's still a difference between the way new players tend to play as town and scum. Arcanite's backtracking isn't something I'd expect from them if they were town, especially juxtaposed with how they immediately decided Refa was scum instead of considering the potential for a misunderstanding. 

     

    19 hours ago, BBM said:

     

    the questions in the first vote, like... it's RVS man, people just post stuff trying to get reactions bc there's nothing else to do; nobody goes into it looking for some specific type of reaction. questions in the second quote are better because the answers are not as obvious but I still feel like it's just throwing stuff at him.

    4. it bothers me a bit that he realized his initial vote was a misread and then he spun it into something else. but that something else is also a plausible reason for a vote even if I don't think it'll be a fruitful one.

    I don't understand the first part of this-according to you people post things trying to get reactions but no one goes into it looking for them? What's the point of RVS in your opinion then? I'm also in disagreement with your thoughts on the posts of Shinori's you quoted, although if there's a way to ISO people here I want to ISO Shinori myself because I can currently recall a lot of questions but not much analysis from them.

    I like the point Weapons mentions regarding the lack of consistency in Refa's posts. Is there a chance that this is a multiball theme and Refa/Arcanite are scum of two different factions?

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    On 3/4/2018 at 6:59 PM, BBM said:

    anyways I'm an informed townie; was just waiting for some wording confirmation from SB. scum have some sort of kill that takes effect at the end of the day phase. guessing it's not every day though cuz that would be dumb.

    I saw some discussion regarding this, so here's my two cents. That BBM is "informed" is probably not a lie in itself, but as far as alignment goes I'm not factoring this much into my read on BBM. What, by the way, does ITP stand for?

    23 hours ago, Arcanite said:

    so 3 townies might die first day if we mislynch then?

    That certainly puts an interesting twist on things...

    Something about this feels very off on a tonal level. Yes, this is accurate. What about it?

    I'm in agreement with Propeller Knight that Shinori's quick dismissal of BBM's post feels off, and to me Shinori's response to it:

    22 hours ago, Shinori said:

    I never said anyone did claim more information based off it.  If people want to speculate do it.  I actually asked a bunch of questions WRT speculation.  IF you would like to speculate then take the time to answer the questions I asked.  I just don't feel it will really be helpful from a logical standpoint until we know more.  And logically speaking that means it brings more harm than good doesn't it?

     

    22 hours ago, Shinori said:

    Sure vote me.  I just want to hear a logical argument as to how speculating something we don't really know anything about helps outside of reading tone.

    feels like it's circumventing the issue. If you think it won't be helpful until we know more, wouldn't the opportune thing to do be to analyze it some and see what we could learn from it? I do like, at least, that you did make an effort to start discussion elsewhere with your question towards Refa on page 1.

     

    22 hours ago, Refa said:

    Voting someone purely for an ED1 claim is dumb; it just leads to a read that can't progress.  BBM himself needs to be scummy for me to vote him.  However, if you think my case is bad in a scummy way, why aren't you voting me?

    So do you not think BBM is scummy then? If this is the case, what was your issue with his claim on page 1?

     

    These are my current thoughts only up to page 2; I'm about to try another way of reading through everything that ideally doesn't leave me with 5-6 tabs open per page.

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