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What "solid points"? All Slumber said then was already addressed. And all that you added to what I responded to were questions that I never really got around to answering because I thought it was clear that other people didn't want the shipping war to go on. What can I say? When I see something that doesn't mesh with the facts, I go straight for the jugular. I don't appreciate the jab here.

Might find this funny. It might get a bit vulgar at times.

Caught that.

Edited both of his most recent posts in this thread.

Wasn't laughing at a VR chat video log that a YouTuber by the name of RunJDRun had put out.

How does me mentioning her upbringing being the reason behind her shyness in FE7's epilogue equate to me "ignoring" your analysis? Here's the B Support in question. And I underlined where it says that Lyn's trying to break her own limits. Lilina wanting to break her own limits is something that's a part of her character that doesn't require supports to understand. In fact, her C support with Cecilia only reinforces that trait. And here's these bits from Heroes. And naturally, doing your best involves testing and even surpassing your own limits. @Køkø You never really gave me anything conclusive when we last talked. You only said "Lilina is a mixture between Hector and Florina" with nothing to show for it. And in regards to this topic in particular, I still don't see how she's anything like Florina. If anything, physically, she has Farina's basic hair color, and Lyn's features. And personality-wise, I would say that she's like a more level-headed version of Lyn without a second thought.

I assume you're talking about this: In which case, it doesn't really have anything to do with Florina. Considering that it applies to each one of Hector's wives. Which also doesn't really have anything to do with Florina. In pretty much none of her supports does Florina ever express any desire to become stronger. Lyn, on the other hand, does. Except for the fact that the shyness Lilina exhibits in FE7's epilogue is never present in FE6. If it was, then I would be more inclined to believe that Florina has something to do with Lilina's personality. But as it stands, it's more likely that the shyness Lilina showed in FE7's epilogue is because of the way she was brought up until meeting Roy. Lyn's less confident than you think. She has her insecurities. In her supports with Eliwood, Lyn's expressing dismay at not being a good noble, and is worried that she'll end up bringing shame to House Caelin's name. And in her B Support with Hector, Lyn's outright practicing what can be easily described as the Luna skill because she wants to break her own limits for the sake of others, much like how Lilina does. And I will also note that even people who used to be Hector/Florina fans have even gone on record to say that, and I quote, "after playing FE6, it's reeeeally hard to ignore the resemblance between Lyn and Lilina". Which should say something here.

I understand all that. But not once did I ever get the impression that there was a bond between them that transcended being more than mere friends. And with the way the ending came about in FE10, it was like a romance was being unnecessarily forced on to an otherwise platonic relationship. The fact that Mist has faster supports with Rolf and Jill doesn't help this.

How, when she's not even shy in FE6? Or androphobic, period?

It's a bit odd, but yet I like it. I mean it's pretty obvious that Micaiah and Sothe care about each other. It's never shoved in your face. And the game itself pretty much makes it a point to show that pairing Micaiah and Sothe with other people, much like any other FE (lord) pairing that gets very few if any implications, requires the player to go out of his or her own way. And at the very least, it makes more sense than, say, Boyd/Mist.

From a narrative standpoint, it makes no sense for Lyn to join alongside Sue even if her appearance wasn't due to pairings in the FE7 remake, should this hypothetical FE6 remake be bundled with an FE7 remake. However, if the FE6 remake and the FE7 remake do indeed end up sharing a cartridge or something, I would like it if Lyn appeared in Sacae in maybe even another paralogue. And also if she ends up having a unique conversation with Lilina, similar to what Ced gets with Lewyn in FE4, with even similar conditions such as requiring a Hector/Lyn A/S support to happen. (Though Lyn's other pairs would get some acknowledgement in this in a few lines of dialogue here and there with Lyn's other potential children, it would be Lilina that would have the most significant interactions with her.) Said conversation could have her explain her disappearance as trying to stop Bern's army before it reaches Lycia, get heavily wounded in the process, and forced to lie low in order to recover. I have another idea that I would like to see implemented alongside all this. But I dunno. However, I also saw a neat idea on another FE fan community. And this idea involves Lyn's appearance itself being dependent on who she married in the FE7 remake portion of the game. Like for example, actually get killed off when married to Eliwood. (Again, this isn't my idea.) If married to Kent, Rath, or no one, have it so that she's mentioned to have disappeared without a single word, and revealed to be alive all along and recruitable only after Roy's army reaches Bern. (Alongside her spouse, if any.) If going off of Lyn's paired ending with Florina, introduce Florina in the Ilia chapters, or introduce Lyn in the Sacae chapters and have it so that both of them join in Bern after answer a request one makes to the other to join Roy's army. And lastly, if married to Hector, Lyn shows up at Araphen alongside Hector. And knowing that the two of them are in a losing battle, she buys time for herself and Hector, and the two of them use that time to make a brief escape from the Wyvern Generals, but are unrecruitable due to their sustained injuries. Both of them appear as NPCs at Ostia, helping the player obtain Durandal more easily. And at the end of the Ostia chapter, Lilina gets to say goodbye to her father before he succumbs to his wounds. Lyn decides to remain behind and recover, and Eliwood becomes the acting leader of the Lycian League. And after she recovers, she joins in Bern. I also would like to see a conversation between Roy and Lilina that's unlocked by them having an A support with each other. With the context differing depending whether the conversation takes place in Ilia or in Sacae, with the former focusing a little more on Roy, and the latter focusing a little more on Lilina. Probably wishful thinking, either way. But I just thought I'd voice my thoughts here.

And stopped right there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it you that said this? Note what I bolded. As it suggests that there is an implication towards it happening. Which is in conflict with a statement such as this. Which brings me to my question: What proof do you have that shows that Hector/Florina is supposed to happen? There's no reason to get mad and go on tangents when asked this.

I don't have issues with people enjoying Hector/Florina or Hector/Farina. Only with false information being spread.

Except where are these so-called "implications"? Support growth and FE7's epilogue says otherwise, though.

I'm just gonna ditto this. And add that they get an additional conversation in Hector's Story under the same conditions. And even without supports, they interact with each other (read: when they're not sharing the screen with anyone else) as often as Eliwood does with Ninian. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Even though it comes from basically nowhere, and the two don't show that they're anything more than casual acquaintances in the main story?

How so? Lilina's never shown to be shy outside of FE7's epilogue. And even there, there's a reasonable explanation behind the shyness, as she's never really met anyone from outside of Castle Ostia until meeting Roy. She's not shy at all in FE6. In fact, I daresay that she's closest to Lyn, personality-wise, as far as FE6 is concerned. With even the most notable of differences being easily chalked up to upbringing. Again. How so? Because barring the lack of hints towards Hector/Florina in FE7, how you feel about Hector/Lyn is precisely one of the things I feel about Hector/Florina. There's not. Save for the possibility that she's NOT Roy's mother.

Despite the fact that she's clearly crying, and struggling to get what she wants to say out of her mouth, towards the end of her conversation with Eliwood? Why? Which doesn't mean that she would forget about said life. But at the same time, who says that she'll easily forget about the plains upon living as a Lycian noble? Certainly not I.S. And isn't making assumptions a part of speculation anyways? Also, "you have to work really hard for Lyn to not return to Sacae"? Lolwut? Lyn's pairings with the lords are among the easiest pairs in the game to build. With Hector/Lyn being feasible in a Ranked run. And coming from someone who had no issue building Eliwood/Lyn to B on his first playthrough of FE7 despite not going for that pair, I doubt that Eliwood/Lyn would be hard to build for a casual player. Kent/Lyn and Rath/Lyn, on the other hand, are arguably harder to build than either. With Rath/Lyn in particular having a challenge in actually building supports on the grounds that Lyn would actually have built supports by the time Rath joins. You mean the two endings where she doesn't mention wanting to go back. She never once mentions wanting to return to Sacae when paired with Eliwood. There mere fact that it's always Ostia that gets control over Caelin doesn't really make much sense outside of one ending. Hector isn't (or at least doesn't seem to be) acquainted with Hausen. And Lundgren's dead by the time FE7 ends. And as far as we know, he doesn't have a birthright claim to Caelin. At least, he shouldn't have such a claim to Caelin that he controls it despite Eliwood's children being Caelin's heirs should Lyn marry Eliwood. And if she goes back to Sacae, why Ostia gains control over Caelin is still not touched upon. But if she marries Hector, why Ostia gains control over Caelin starts to make sense. As Ostia's heirs then would also be Caelin's heirs. Whether she is or not stated to have any explicit power beyond being support for Hector is besides the point to this. The point was that Lyn wouldn't so easily forget about Sacae despite being Hector's wife. You seem so focused on the notion that she does despite there being zero indication of such. It's only Lundgren and Marquess Araphen who's outright racist towards Sacaeans. Her ending with Eliwood doesn't mention that racism is the reason behind the nobles getting in an uproar during their marriage. Okay. But this makes Lyn/Rath likely, how? Because this isn't really proof towards anything. All it shows is that she's bad at being a noble; a trait that she shares with Hector, who becomes Marquess despite his discomfort around nobility. It's quite the double-standard to bring up Lyn's discomfort around nobility yet not bring up Hector's. Except Rath isn't an orphan by FE7's end whereas Lyn is. Nor did the Kutolah experience a tragedy that reduced their numbers to less than 10. They're not like each other personality-wise either. Lyn is far more outspoken than Rath is, and more impulsive and hot-headed. All they have in common is that they're nomads from Sacae, they're children of their tribe's chieftain, and they have lived alone. If there's any one among Lyn's support options that she has the most in common with, it's the one who outright is mentioned to have reminded Lyn of herself from when she was younger. Who, to my knowledge, isn't Rath. Based on what? They get little interaction outside of supports. Whatever interaction they do get can be easily simplified. And they don't even get special scenes, a love confession, or a special song. Except for the fact that Hector/Florina is never implied to happen, nor does any reason for happening come up in the main story. Not even a special scene. Plus, Hector/Florina's harder to build than Hector/Lyn even when taking support speed into account by itself. I thought what I posted provided a sufficient enough answer. Also, what kind of pair friends has someone in the pair confess his or her love to the other person in the pair? There's only one kind of pair of friends that does that, and it's kind that sees each other as more than just mere friends.

No. She's questioning when Hector learned Uther died when she started to cry in that conversation. The conversation's end has her thinking about how Hector can't keep his sadness about Uther's death bottled up inside. She knows that Hector needs comfort, and can't even bring himself to cry for Uther despite wanting to. And because of that, she wants to give Hector comfort. However, Lyn doesn't feel as strongly about each of them as she does about Hector. Especially since when Eliwood tells her about Uther's death takes place during a time frame where Hector would have already confessed to Lyn. That's the main difference. Even though this conversation happens after Eliwood tells her about Uther's death? And I should note that this conversation, in addition to Lyn being told about Uther's death by Eliwood, the requirements this conversation has in order to happen has Lyn being there for Hector as he's grieving anyways. I doubt that I.S. would have gone through the trouble giving Hector and Lyn a conversation that connects to Hector's paired endings and not do the same with Hector's other potential spouses if they didn't intend for Hector/Lyn to canonically happen. You're right in that it's not the only conversation that leads up to Lyn settling down with Hector. There's also the various other interactions she has with Hector outside of supports, And Hector's confession of love to Lyn. And the conversation where Lyn is crying for Uther on Hector's behalf. I.E., the stuff that I doubt that I.S. would have included without intent. After all, it's the kind of exposure that they gave to Eliwood/Ninian in the same game. I never said that she'd be giving up her Nomadic heritage by setting down with Hector. Only that she never mentions that she wants to return to Sacae if she's paired with him or Eliwood. That's a big difference. And if it's all the same, I can't see her just abandoning her grandfather's legacy and leaving someone who had just gotten himself into the same familial situation she's in all alone. And it's asinine to think that settling down with Hector would automatically make her simply "forget about the plains". In fact, who's to say that Lyn's time on the plains don't become the basis behind whatever stories she's telling Lilina, the FE6 character that would be her child after settling down with Hector, when Lilina herself is still young?

If returning to the plains is "more within her character", then why does this conversation in particular happen regardless of Lyn's Supports? I mean, based on what's happening towards the end of this conversation, it seems pretty obvious what Lyn wants to do. And unfortunately, she can't do what this conversation indicates what she wants to do unless if she's supported with Hector. And considering the circumstances behind her following through with her emotions by that conversation's conclusion, giving in to her own emotions is "a complete betrayal to her character", how?

In what scene outside of supports does Lyn mention wanting to return to Sacae? The only scene I can think of where she does is when she's speaking to Eliwood in Ostia's castle town. And that conversation changes depending on Lyn's supports. If she has an A support with Eliwood before she speaks with him in Ostia, instead of saying that she wants to return to Sacae, Lyn praises Eliwood. If she has an A support with Hector, the conversation she has with Eliwood in Ostia's castle town is reduced to merely two lines, with Lyn not saying anything and Eliwood telling Lyn to not keep the rest of the group waiting. Duly noted. But either way, I.S. doesn't seem likely to want to make Lyn/Rath canon.

You're forgetting Marth/Caeda and Lewyn/Erinis. And among those not technically canon, Roy/Lilina, and Corrin/Azura. But it is a factor. At the very least, it helps make the pair come across as believable and plausible, and it makes people want to ship the pair. (Though, I'll admit, it backfires in some cases such as the aforementioned Chrom/Sumia.) At any rate, in the case of Lyn's possible spouses, there's really no reason to believe that Rath in particular didn't just find another woman and make Sue. Given how things are presented in FE7, that's likely how things turn out. And again, Lyn doesn't say that she wants to return to Sacae outside of anything influenced by supports. However, she does start crying after she hears Uther has died, regardless of who she's supported with, if suppported with anyone at all. Falchion in FE2 and Echoes is shown to be able to kill Duma. In the latter, the Binding Blade can do the same. What reason is there to believe that Falchion and Elibe's Divine Weapons have different power levels?

Not really. As, like I mentioned before, they don't get much interaction. That's the main difference between Lyn/Rath and Chrom/Sumia. There's not even a special scene between Lyn and Rath as there is between Chrom and Sumia. If anything, Hector/Lyn's the one amongst Lyn's pairs that's closest to Chrom/Sumia due to having special scenes.

Living in a Castle is hardly a "total betrayal to Lyn's character" when Lyn doesn't even mention wanting to return to Sacae outside of anything that can be influenced by supports. The following response sums up what I want to say pretty nicely. Adding to that, Hector's the only one among the ones listed who has the most interaction with Lyn out of each other's potential spouses. And considering I.S.'s track record with FE couples with plenty of interaction...

She's proud of her Sacaean heritage, yes. That in itself doesn't make her likely to marry Rath. Especially given how little the interaction between the two actually is.

This list seems like something I saw on Amino. Anyways, I'm echoing everyone else by saying Myrrh, Artur, Ewan, and Amelia down. Franz, Garcia, Duessel, and Saleh up.