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Just now, All Might said:

i'm pretty sure nemu got docced from the secondary vote winner which iirc was cu, but don't quote me on that. 

1. Cu won last nights poll, which he would have been disqualified for if he had one a previous round I think. Violet was the one who won D2.

2. The second vote winner won on D2, so can use the power on N2, exactly when a kill went missing....

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1 minute ago, All Might said:

question for all our beloved town members out there.

 

what are the chances that on n2, either the itp or wolf team take a shot at cu? keep in mind that it was said multiple times for cu to be docced. 

Unlikely then, but Nemu also got docced so...

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1 hour ago, Estelle said:

I'm sorry I'm too busy to be a super contributor right now. I feel like our best chance at catching mafia is between Rain/Aizen/Shiki. Is there a real reason Violet can't be ITP?

N1 had three deaths and one person being poisoned, and Violet claimed one of those kills as a result of being the vig.

So... it depends on how willing you are to believe scum had even more killing power then we're already expecting?

Shiki being a one-shot aesthetic makes a lot more sense then Aizen having a roleblock he can only use the person winning the waifu contest that doesn't block all powers said person gains from winning... willing to vote here, but maybe we should give Violet a chance to chim in?

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21 minutes ago, Aizen said:

There was a lack of kill when only Sham died and Marisa claimed to have roleblocked Rain 

Something something hitting a docced doc something something said this yesterday.

Besides, I didn't get roleblocked last night and we're still missing a kill...

1 hour ago, Estelle said:

Wasn't Marisa supposed to roleblock Rain last night?

Marissa flipped alternating roleblocker, so she probably couldn't roleblock me twice in a row.

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Btw, did nobody get poisoned?

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This means Shiki secretly has a 1-shot commute/Aestetic/whatever (or x-shot I guess), Aizen has a roleblock or there actually is a ninja-roleblocker in the game.

Roleblocking Cu feels odd though, when they could have just roleblocked Nemu and shot Cu instead...

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4 hours ago, Aizen said:

Rain has 2 votes and if she's scum and we lynch the ITP we have to hope the kill gets blocked or redirected and hits scum because if we went to 5p scum would have the same amount of votes as town.
Mother of god why didn't we lynch her the day before
 

1. In this scenario we'd have already been in potential MyLo yesterday though? Like, I literally said this yesterday. I at least always thought parity with the anti-town was what counted towards *Lo, not just one team.

2. ....My double vote apparently does get turned off in *Lo. Shinori only answered that question last night...

15 minutes ago, Shiki Ryougi said:

Insomniac (not sure if my prior slot has already proved this TBH, considering you asked).

It was proven for one night at least, think that was N2.

Full claim then:

Apart from being a mayor which gets turned off during *Lo, making it basicly a useless role, but let's ignore that for a second I can also check who someone voted for in the waifu contest. Shiki didn't vote anyone D1, Aizen didn't vote anyone yesterday (lame results, I know).

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Hey, at least you didn't die....

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Stop whining, you survived that

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Is cool, you did your part.

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@Violet Evergarden @Shiki Ryougi please come online!

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#Unvote

#Vote: Estelle

Because you already mentioned your preference I think. A 4th person would be great though.

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I want one of Aizen, Marisa or Estelle Nemu is willing to consolidate Aizen or Estelle

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Uhm.... this isn't looking great... no

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Also, yes I'm being lazy with reading/not spending my time great to find scum, but why does it make sense for scum!me to be this obvious about barely having read? Yes I could be lazy scum, but I can also just be lazy town?

Is there anyone around willing to lynch someone of Aizen/Estelle/Marisa?

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9 hours ago, Marisa Kirisame said:

I just feel I'm not getting through to you and the more you make these claims the more it becomes like you're pulling the wool over my eyes. You've yet to explain how the 3rd kill happened in your perspective nor are you offering any solutions to this underlying problem. All you've done is say 'dunno I'm not the poisoner!' which I get but the fact remains All Might claimed poison D2 and not D1, and following D1 we had..can you guess it? 3 kills. One of them was confirmed by Violet on Ochako, one of them was the factional kill and can you guess what the last one was? Probably the ITP. So..why again did a second kill not happen and only one when you roleblocked? All I've gotten from you is that ITP and Scum just happened to make choices which I get it, that's a completely fair perspective to make! If you're town obviously the only thing you can do wrong is mislynch, so night relations don't have to deal with you. There's nothing that I can argue here because we don't have facts, but frankly with your attitude for lackthereof I just don't really see why we keep you around. You're not sitting trying to go through the motions with everyone, you come in here and complain and then don't offer any insight as if you haven't really bothered to truly read the thread. I just don't know if that position is one town makes who truly wants to win the game, not anti-town trying to get by false promises.

I have multiple theories on how the extra kill could work, but the only thing we know for sure is it's in the hands of anti town. In what world is All Might poisoned on D1 anyway?

The third kill could be a one shot, or it could have gotten blocked by Violet or Nemu. I already said this. Have you been reading my posts, or did a big black spot appear before your eyes whenever I started talking about roles?

8 hours ago, Marisa Kirisame said:

So I'm gonna move aside this and instead talk to you on your content and not mech bull, because frankly I can't stand mechanics and it's not my strong suit. 

I think your content is pretty lacking in general but you're given a position to defend and you mostly focus your time doing so. What I'm guessing is that you think All Might is ITP/Anti-town? Like your wording towards All Might in this post:

 

 

So we've got this opinion lined up here and I only really wanna focus on your reads and not your theories, which are far and few between. You say Aizen/Estelle are also people you believe are Mafia and say you're gonna go into it but it simply doesn't happen. I don't know how much you've read (or decided to) but we've now had three bodies replace into this same slot unfortunately. Being a sub can be difficult but this is a pretty quiet game so I dunno what basis you are firing these off. You never really..elaborate on it? Like after that post it's mostly just mech talk, and then as deadline nears you make this post:
 

 

 

There's just nothing there to back this up! Where's your confidence coming from on this? Why didn't you bother to explain more why you think this instead of having all your efforts be defending yourself? Even after this fact you don't go into further detail and rather just continue with mech talk with such an easy thing to do, nor am I really taking it all too insightful at this point. If you want to start with the lynch being pulled off you start here because I can't see your worth if this is all you can muster. The only thing I get is that you think Estelle is noobscum and aizen is her partner because ???

Literally nothing there

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Yes, let's ignore mechanics that make me cleared town, because it doesn't suit your narrative, great plan.

You also wanted to lynch me for mechanic bull before, so what gives?

My efforts being on defending myself when everyone wants me lynched for dumb reasons shouldn't be that weird.

 

8 hours ago, Aizen said:

I tried to fire rain up but they just gave me a bunch of mech post-(Marisa can you stop posting right after me you're stealing my grove here) anyway she gave me a bunch of mech posting and I just don't understand why she's not trying more if we try to get into rains mind we're seeing a scum team of me and est with a all might ITP the all might being non town is somewhat agreed on so okay. The issue here is I am actively saying give the power to me Estelle or violet if I was Rain I'd be jumping on that right away going "Look at this team look at it!" I would say that's pretty towny if rain really believed the team to be me and estelle but no comment on it at all. I also think me and Estelle aren't getting lynched right now so why isn't Rain going "look guys Aizen and Estelle are scum here's why" I just don't see any fire or want to solve or any of that from rain. 

You're expecting people to react the same way to things you do, even though everyone reacts differently? I never have get overly emotional, sorry dude.

Also, how in the world do both of you have the gal to say I only said I'm not a poisoner? Seriously?

11/3/1 clears me, and 12/2/1 is a dumb setup (and even then I'm cleared if anti town has enough killing power to make up the number disadvantage).

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2 minutes ago, Cú Chulainn said:

rain does your mayor work in *ylo? do you know?

I have not been told it doesn't work, which makes me assume it does.

I'll ask just in case though.

4 minutes ago, Cú Chulainn said:

yeah and I don't know why that's relevant to the part of my post you quoted

Brainfart on my end, sorry.

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15 minutes ago, Estelle said:

OK I'm going to bed. I know I look lazy but you guys aren't giving me a lot to work with. Just people sussing me without explaining why and- well speak of the devil Rain just posted.

Is that more then just me? And even if you can't defend yourself, you can find which people are scum, right?

6 minutes ago, Estelle said:

I think we should stop trying to read off of whether it should be MYLO or not. Rain's/maybe Nemu's I'd have to read back to double-check cases kinda depend on knowing the game's setup, which only the mafia do. There's a lot of presumptions. Could there be more than one ITP? Could abilities such as the extra nightkill or the poison be conditional/1-shot?

Even if we don't know the full setup, there's such a thing as game balance. Games aren't made to give one side an insurmountable advantage. My argument mostly comes from the fact that 12/2/1 is a dumb distribution.

6 minutes ago, Estelle said:

And I could swear I've played a few games where mayors lose their double voting ability in MYLO. Otherwise that's basically modconfirming the mayor slot as town in certain situations which I think the host might would avoid. I know in BBM's anonydraft game he didn't announce MYLO because of complications with the mayor slot.

In short, we don't know enough for MYLO to be a primary deciding factor in who to clear/who to lynch.

 

There have also been games where people were cleared for being mayor though (and lynched anyway, beause lol).

I don't have huge cases on people, Estelle's early game reminded me of the meta of a newbie scum player (who I think isn't unlikely to be filling the slot), Aizen tried to start a counterwagon to C.C. and I'm gut scumreading him in general, and while Marissa feels townie on tone and Cu's result (he only confirmed the roleblock, but he also stated the full role sounds townsided to him), she has been part of too many bad ideas for me to not be suspicious of her (getting on the Violet wagon I can let slide, but wanting to lynch All Might after he claimed poisoned and calling me confirmed scum after I was roleblocked are both plain terrible, and considering her posts so far, I feel like she has enough experience to not make mistakes this bad).

Combining the above with the fact that I towread other people (Shiki is more a townlean, but still better the people I scumread, and Nemu is only scum if she's lyning about being poisoned I feel, in which case we'll find out soon enough anyway).

Violet is confirmed town to me, Cu would have to do some extremely shady stuff for me to vote him, and All Might just needs to go when we can lynch him.

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6 hours ago, Cú Chulainn said:

I don't understand either. it's another case of "my role is confirmable so therefore I'm clear" which three people have pulled this game now. is she saying she's clear because she's mayor? what is up with allmight's role then?

I'm not saying I'm confirmed town just because I'm confirmed mayor...

Assume the gamestate is 6/2/1 right now. A misslynch makes it 5/2/1, a nightkill 4/2/1 and Nemu dying of poison makes it 3/2/1. Even if All Might lost his vote in this scenario, my double vote still wins it for the anti town, so we'd be in MyLo. Thus, I cannot be scum in this scenario unless Nemu is also scum, in which case we never lynch me before Nemu (note that Aizen insisted on gamestate having these numbers).

If the gamestate is 7/1/1 right now, with anti town having two nightkills plus poisoner left, a misslynch makes it 6/1/1, two nightkills makes it 4/1/1, and Nemu dying of poison makes it 3/1/1, with someone being poisoned. Lynching the not me anti town makes it 2/1, with me having a double vote, which is another sure win for anti town. This should also count as MyLo.

12/2/1 is already a dumb distribution, but not giving scum the extra killing power makes it just plain unfair imo.

4 hours ago, Cú Chulainn said:

also both rain and all might can't be mayors anyway. one of them has to be nontown.

I assume all might's killproof and lynchproof were separate actions? I can see him really eager to clear himself thinking lynchproof is an auto town role cuz he's never seen a scum lynchproof (I really don't think he's mafia but I still can't shake off itp vibes sorry man)

You know I'm confirmed double vote, right?

 

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22 minutes ago, Nemu Kurotsuchi said:

##Vote Rain

If this slot isn't lynched today, it's being lynched tomorrow, so we might as well do it now and get some interactions off of it imo

I'm close to cleared already, and if we figure out more stuff tommorow, plus get potential LyLo or MyLo I might even be full cleared. There is more then enough reason to keep me alive today.

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1 hour ago, Marisa Kirisame said:

Btw, there's no explanation as to why All Might isn't dead by poison now. Being lynchproof does not equate to deathproof. He should be dead to poison by now and I hate having to equate mechanics to reasoning because it's not my strong suit but..

I just think he's trying to buy more time for his mate, not sure who that is exactly but it's something we'll have to found out! If All Might did not slip by saying he has to activate it (and he activated today and not last night) I wouldn't be coming to this conclusion. I'm surprised nobody else is calling him out on this fact honestly

All might claimed deadproof.

I think basicly everyone agrees on wanting to lynch All Might... it's just that we can't.

1 hour ago, Aizen said:

This site doesn't do role flips but perhaps some protectives died along the way? I do think if it's 3 mafia (and that seems likely cause I've never seen a game with 2 scum 1 itp with numbers this large) and we're assuming the poison came from scum I would agree on it being shot based because this game would be based more on night actions then it would mafia itself.

I think allmight is the itp given role reasons but I don't get how he could lose his vote? 

 

1 hour ago, Aizen said:

This is weak in the sense you should be showing why me and Estelle are scum more then just saying we're scum. I think you're much more likely to be lynched over both of us and you're not fighting it at all. If you're town show why we're scum so people can change there minds and start to scumread us. You called me scum before right? Bring back those reasons and state why my today is scum. So is Estelle. You got stuff to do here Rain 

Sure I'll fight back for you:

With 3 mafia and 1 itp, a misslynch a night kill and a poison kill is enough to make it MyLo if I'm anti town because of my double vote. This means I'm basicly cleared with these numbers (that you are fully expecting, with good reason). The only reason I can be scum is if Nemu is lying about being poisoned, meaning you never lynch me before Nemu.

Good enough?

46 minutes ago, Aizen said:

 

I...was under the impression that a rolecop just shows the full role that's interesting. I guess this is more a post game question but I'd be interested in figuring out what qualifies for showing on a rolecop and what doesn't.
I still think Shiki is most likely scum here but that just makes it so it's not an outright lockdown. Given how All might played around Rain I do think All might is scum rain is itp or rain is scum and all might itp. They don't seem to be together 

Most previous role cops mentioned not showing full roles though, and it will generally mention not showing everything. With this role being possibly slightly bastard, it's hard to make assumptions though.

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Honestly though, I still don't wanna lynch Nemu before the poison can prove her innocence, and All Might is still unlynchable.

I still think Aizen/Estelle is the scum team tbh, so I'm just going to vote there for now:

##Vote: Aizen

I'll be back in a few hours to talk more, but we should start thinking about who to lynch now.

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12/2/1 sounds pretty undermanned for the anti town to me. I could see it maybe being a thing if both sides have full killing power plus a full time poisoner, but it'd be extremely lopsided otherwise.

Also gonna trow in that my double vote clears me in a lot of scenarios here.

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Just now, Nemu Kurotsuchi said:

I cover 2 maf / 1 ITP with one having NK, one having poison in my analysis. The math still doesn't work out.

The first point is interesting though, but should be easily checkable when All Might votes.

As I said, two of those need to be true. All Might losing his vote doesn't work either.

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1 hour ago, Estelle said:

Wait, why do we think there's only one scum player left? We've only lynched one so far.

 

24 minutes ago, Nemu Kurotsuchi said:

1 mafia, 1 itp

If there were 2 mafia and 1 itp, wed be in MYLO (which is the point of the analysis) Were not in mylo, so there can only be 1 mafia (unless I messed up somewhere)

In Estelle's dictonary, scum = mafia, and itp is not scum I'm pretty sure.