Legault!
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Please tell me you're being sarcastic, I wouldn't be surprised if you are but still.
Obviously I was being sarcastic, in response to Interceptor's profound idiocy.
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Uhhh, she's basically a little kid in a bathing suit with a cape and lots of hearts and bows everywhere. Are you entirely certain that you're not projecting, here?
Second person implying I'm a pedophile because I'm not a unbathed, unemployed loser who pretends to be smart on the internet.
She's wearing stripper boots and very little clothing. She plays house. Nowi says she's been around the block thousands of times. You, the player, can marry her. She has a child. She has a confession scene. She is sexualized.
I don't really like to link to something like this but whatever:
If I may present: The Bizarre Jerry girls from Yusuke Kozaki's previous work on No more Heroes
http://images2.wikia...y_blueberry.jpg
See any similarities to Nono's wardrobe?
http://serenesforest...g/1025/nono.jpg
She is effectively Strawberry with a different haircut and color pallet. And more hearts and ribbons, which really just makes things worse.
BrightBow you should be banned from this site
You are clearly a PROJECTING PEDOPHILE
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What are you attracted to pink hearts and little girls or something?
Most people would consider stripper boots, no shirt, her wink, and that pose to be sexualized. Please stop trying to defend a game with embarrassing art design.
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Oh, Nowi only LOOKS like she's 10, but don't worry, she's really over 1000 years old!
^ That there is one excuse I seriously hate. :| Nowi is blatant lolibait. I know people complain about Nowi and never mention Ricken/Donnel, and I don't know about other people, but my beef with Nowi is her outfit. I'd be against marrying R/D if either of them was dressed sexy like Nowi is. If the wanted to dress her like that, they could at least make her as tall and mature-looking as Tiki.
I agree, but don't forget her personality: she plays house. She has the mind of a preteen.
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Sure are a lot of Puritans in this thread. Did I step into a time warp? Buy stock in Apple, everyone; you can thank me later.
I believe this is less a matter of "Puritans" and more a matter of "I'm not a fat sweaty weeaboo who needs sexualized children in my strategy RPG title."
Awakening's designs are less "bad" and more just.. embarrassing.
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I've used General!Frederick on Lunatic challenge runs before, and he's excellent. Speed potions and pairing up exist, and this probably won't even be necessary against lolHard enemies.
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Right... of course... Because Olivia is so shy and hates being stared at, she gets the skimpiest outfit in the army... Right...that makes sense.
That guy got downvoted to death even though he's absolutely right. Reddit, ladies and gentlemen.
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Really, you're fighting my argument with "If the player is lucky"? Anything can work "if I'm lucky enough". The thing with Fred means there is no luck required.
You are arguing that Frederick is absolutely necessary to complete the earlygame. Frederick is not, in fact, absolutely necessary to complete the earlygame.
He makes the earlygame much easier, yes, which is why he gets credit for that performance.
I'd like to see someone beat the prologue under these restrictions (hint: you can't)
You can. It's just a hilariously suboptimal strategy. The point is that even if we're operating under the silly standard that necessary = top of the list, Frederic is not strictly necessary.
i think you are taking this a little too literally here
just a little
Please tell me how else to interpret "non-zero chance of failure"
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There is a huge difference here. Those games are still possible
Awakening is also possible without Frederick if you get lucky, so I fail to see the difference. Even if you are going to rank "absolutely necessary" characters at the very top, Frederick fails to qualify.
Also, some more thoughts about the non-zero chance of failure approach Paperblade suggested: if I'm wrapping my mind around this correctly, it would mean treating all non-100 displayed hit values for the player as 0 and all non-0 displayed hit values for the enemy as 100.
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Necessary Tier
3DS
Awakening game cart / digital download
Vision
Working hands
Sentience
Frederick
Pretty Good Tier
Avatar
In case you couldn't tell, I find "necessary therefore best" arguments incredibly stupid. By that logic, most lords would be at the top of top tier, as seizing is necessary to complete the game. And what would we do with healers? Healing isn't strictly necessary to complete Awakening, but offense is. Should we move them to bottom because they aren't strictly necessary?
Character rankings are based on contributions. Frederick contributes in the first four maps to an incredible degree, but what Avatar does for the rest of the game is more valuable on the whole, as it spans a longer period of time. (P.S. The first four maps can technically be solo'd with any set of Paired Up units if you get enough Dual Guard rolls, so Frederick is never completely necessary.)
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You missing should not instantly spell your death. Missing sucks but you should be able to play around it.
99 displayed chance of hitting.
99 displayed chance of second hit.
99 displayed chance of third hit.
99 displayed chance of fourth hit.
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99 displayed chance of ninety-ninth hit.
According to your standard, this isn't good enough. Yes I am being intentionally obstinate here, but "non-zero" is an *incredibly* difficult standard to hold up, especially on Lunatic (where units like Vaike, who are not very good and have low hit, are considered as used for tiering purposes) with its killer enemies.
As to remove subjectivity from this tier list,
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Arguing about them in Lunatic is essentially a waste of time.
how does this follow
So now that we have perfectly set in stone the idea that this list is "God Tier, A Tier, Everyone Else Not Worth Wasting Words", who agrees with Fred over Avatar? Without Fred, Avatar's nonsense wouldn't even be possible, so Fred should get all the credit for allowing you to do it in the first place. It's inarguable fact, so the list should reflect it.oh i see you're trying to be clever
In the comparison between "Necessary to complete four maps" and "Breaks half of the game single-handedly," the latter is going to win out due to greater contributions over longer periods of time.
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>while never getting into a nonzero% chance of death situation
Even with true hit, the one-in-a-million is going to be hard to phase out without hella turtling.
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lowest turn count possible while never getting into a nonzero% chance of death situation
This sounds like Turtle Central right here.
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Then what's the tiebreaker if two units have basically identical statistical chances of completion? This seems like a situation that will be pretty common with generous turncount limitations.
This sounds like a cross-that-bridge situation, but assuming this does happen, then long-term potential will be considered. Here's a very real situation: Frederick can reliably one-turn the Prologue boss, but Avatar can also kill the boss and, with the proper support setup, negate any chance of a critical. This usually takes around two turns with some Freddy help. Because the boss kill odds are both around 100% (if something goes horribly wrong and Avatar misses several ~90% true hit odds, Freddy can still clean up), Avatar getting the kill means more as his long-term potential is greater.
In short, if Unit A and Unit B can both deal with Situation X equally as effectively and Unit B deals with the following Situation Y better, Unit B will be considered better.
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Note that some of the one-turns are going to be a little misleading, as the Lunatic list won't be assuming hardcore Rescue and Galeforce strategies. We might have to bump those up more.
I've also gotten a six-turn completion on Ch.23 with two Nosferatanks, so that seems like an interesting case where "safe strategies" actually save the player turns.
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OP Rankings are placeholders.
What does "easier to complete" mean in practical terms?
More reliable statistical completion. As a silly example, imagine Unit A has a 60% chance to defeat a boss in one turn, while Unit B has a 90% chance to defeat a boss in three turns. So long as those three turns fit into the parameters, Unit B will be considered a better unit for that map.
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What's your plan for differentiating units from each other once you establish the baseline turncounts?
Once those are established, the rest should be easy. Using all available turns is both accepted and encouraged, which will hopefully nullify lingering questions like "Is Dark Knight better than Sorcerer since the latter takes more turns, even if it's more reliable?" Better units are those that make the game easier to complete within the parameters.
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Turns chapter-by-chapter, or bank of turns for the entire game?
Chapter-by-chapter. It makes things simpler (and simple is good): the turn counts per chapter will be plenty generous, and it avoids conversations about rushing through earlygame so you can "stock up" on turns later on.
There's a separate topic that's been made about figuring this out and I encourage everyone to give it a look and participate.
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Should I just make another topic to discuss rational turn counts and then come back to the tier list with the parameters for a brisk pace?
That might help un-clutter this topic. I'd appreciate it.
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I usually get 7-8 turns in Ch. 1 without even trying I would imagine the real minimum is lower
I'm assuming those are the maximum turns we'll be allowing, not the minimum.
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No restrictions on Pairing Up here.
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Premonition:3 should be 2 but I'll be nice
Prologue:10
Chapter1: 8
Chapter2: 9
Chapter3: 10
Chapter4: 5
Does look around right for the first few levels.
Premonition: There is absolutely no reason for this map to take any more than two turns. Even on Lunatic, Chrom + Silver Sword one-rounds Validar.
The rest sound good. I'd probably bump Ch.2 up to 10 considering that RNG plays a role here.
And clearly it's not meant to be discussed in a tier list thread, considering a moderator had to cut you off for being off topic. What are you doing bringing the issue straight into a slightly different tier list thread?
Talking about a tier list is, in fact, meant to be discussed in a tier list topic. I've been contacted by a moderator who encouraged me to make this topic and explained that tier list philosophy is perfectly acceptable in general (just not in SDS's topic, where his mind is set). This topic has a different lead and a different approach. Please stop with these off-topic posts.
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What, 30+ pages wasn't enough for you to figure some sort of consensus out in the hard mode tier list?
Seeing as no resolution was reached and arguments for a more defined criteria were hand-waived and insulted, 30+ pages wasn't enough.
Thankfully, we're already making some progress here with some nice suggestions, and I'm sure this will be resolved quickly enough. If you'd like to criticize my approach further, I'd encourage PMing rather than telling me here. It's very off-topic.
Yusuke Kozaki doing an Ask me Anything on Reddit tomorrow
in Fire Emblem: Awakening
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I think it's probably worth mentioning that, in fairness, this kind of sexualization seems very common in contemporary Japanese animation. It's not just Mr. Kozaki.