Dat Nick Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 That better, or should he go with the cavs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I'd say below Marth. Your biggest concern in that chapter are the incoming pirates, everything else is easy and Riff is not around when you need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 If you were to do individual chapter tiers, he would probably be your best unit from the moment he exists. How do you figure that? He can only ever be as good as your best unit but with occasional downtime and needing a heal when that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) How do you figure that? He can only ever be as good as your best unit but with occasional downtime and needing a heal when that happens. Versatility. In H5, you'll proceed slowly if you're playing in the traditional manner (in other words, not warp skipping like I do) so Xane needing a turn to transform and heal is a minor/negligible penalty. Need another tank? Xane helps. Need another healer? Xane helps. Need another Aura/Excalibur user? Xane helps. Need another Ballistican? Xane helps. Need another Sniper to use Longbow? Xane helps. Having the utility of several units is quite helpful. Edited February 26, 2009 by Levin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Versatility. In H5, you'll proceed slowly if you're playing in the traditional manner (in other words, not warp skipping like I do) so Xane needing a turn to transform and heal is a minor/negligible penalty.Need another tank? Xane helps. Need another healer? Xane helps. Need another Aura/Excalibur user? Xane helps. Need another Ballistican? Xane helps. Need another Sniper to use Longbow? Xane helps. Having the utility of several units is quite helpful. I agree with all that, and that's why I agree that he should be pretty high up, but he can only be one at a time and can't change until his turns have passed (how many exactly? I want to say 5-6 as an estimate) so I don't see how he's as h4x as listed. Then again, I haven't played H5 yet, so maybe when I do I'll understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 The trick is that he can pick whichever he wants to be at the time, when you usually won't need the other 5 possible choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Transformed him on turn 1 and he changed back at the start of turn 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 Right now my reasoning is that Chainey's disadvantages are what put him below Sedgar, rather than in the exact same tier spot as Sedgar (so no Chainey = Sedgar tier spot). I'm not against him dropping lower though, but also even Sedgar himself has disadvantages so that may keep the gap close. Maybe Bruce Willis tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 If you guys are gonna name a tier after a movie star, can we rename Bottom Tier to Polly Shore Tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Can we? Can we, please? >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Can we? Can we, please? >_> Shall I proceed to laugh derisively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 I have a different idea for Est's tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercdouken Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 lol, Est is worse than herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Is that Est tier named that way because she's worse than book 1 and FE1 Est? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Is that Est tier named that way because she's worse than book 1 and FE1 Est?No, those Ests are worse than themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) btw Transformed him on turn 1 and he changed back at the start of turn 6. Could you run some tests and see if it's dependent on his level, too? Like, compare how long a level 1 Chainey stays transformed compared to a level 30 Chainey. I actually don't expect there to be a difference, but I'd still be intrested in confirming this. Edited February 27, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 btwCould you run some tests and see if it's dependent on his level, too? Like, compare how long a level 1 Chainey stays transformed compared to a level 30 Chainey. I actually don't expect there to be a difference, but I'd still be intrested in confirming this. Actually yeah. I'm wondering this too. I still don't have the game (getting it today though, so soon you won't have to deal with me being a moron), but in FE3, Chiki actually could stay morphed longer as she leveled (at least I noticed a difference). Chainey might be the same? Maybe it's like it happens after a random amount of time...Like sometimes he stays transformed 5 turns, other times 7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) k... Test #1: Xane transforms into a reclassable unit of Class Set B (Etzel) on turn 109(staff abuse from lvl 7 to 30... tedious shit) and changed back to normal on turn 114. Test #2: Same as test 1. Turn 114 to transform. Changed back on turn 119. Test #3: Class set A unit (Merric) on turn 119. Changed back on turn 124. Test #4: Same as test 3, transformed at 124 and changed back on 129. Test #5: Non-reclassable unit (Marth). Starts at 129, ends at 134. Test #6: Same as test #5 starts at 134, ends at 139. Edited February 27, 2009 by Levin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Well I have to say that pretty much sums it up there. Thanks LEvin, now I know! And knowing is half the battle! G. I. JOOOOOOOEEEEE! When I get this game, I think it'll be the first time I've used Chainey seriously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 That is useful information. It'll hurt his efficiency a bit, but since he de-transforms on the player phase, we don't have to worry too much about him getting killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) Hm. Okay, open to corrections here. C3 W1n: Ogma Abel Cain Barst Lena [You can just dump Riff's stuff on her] Riff High: Shiida Nabarl Castor Marth Mid: Daros Bord Cord Gordin Suck: Julian Draug C4: Epic: Abel Cain Barst Lena Ogma High: Riff Merric Shiida Castor Marth Nabarl Mid: Daros Bord Cord Matthis Still suck: Julian Draug Edited February 28, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Being able to Warp someone in Ch3 is worth an entire tier? If not, then Rhys and Lena are pretty much equal. Maybe the one with more Mag on top, since that's the only stat that matters for them right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) Mag doesn't even matter that much due to gimped mag formula. they're tied, anyway Lena has a crummy avo lead, emergency warp, and the fact she's using that staff EXP better. Probably not enough to warrant a tier up, but still enough to warrant a slot above him considering they're basically the same otherwise. Also worth mentioning the hunters double Riff but not Lena. also lol Rhys Edited February 28, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) Especially in chapter 3...What the hell are you gonna do with the warp staff there? EDITL Whoops, already answered. Edited February 28, 2009 by Grandjackal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 and the fact she's using that staff EXP better. How? A tier list for Ch3 should be about what they're doing in Ch3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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