Chen Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, shez guevara said: lol, you're probably right. im just imagining people 200 yrs from now reading game of thrones as part of their study on classic literature. that's a really good way of putting it yeah. It's like looking at an art form in that sense, everyone always sees something different, and good artists will use that to their advantage when making a thought-provoking work. I believe we can evaluate a work of literature as we would a work of art. As we all know, literally anything can qualify as art, but what makes an art piece truly special is the depth of the thought put into it. The ability to put one's creative vision onto a physical plane effectively, and to stir up in the audience the desired feelings one wishes to evoke is what seperates a good artist from a bad artist. Now of course, one can look at a fingerpainting done by a kindergardner and find meaning in that, however the difference is that the kindergardner did not carry the same intention as the master artist did. To have both a powerful intention, and the ability to translate a grand intention into a visual piece of art is what seperates a good artist from a kindergardeners fingerpainting. Literature is the same thing, imo. Good writing shows the intention, but never objectively tells it, or that would ruin the power of subjectivity, and reduce it to, say, a cookbook. i could type for days on this, it's a really interesting concept to think about! everything's subjective of course, but just as you put, the thing you wrote in 2nd grade can never have as much worth as pride and prejudice.... but it really makes me think on what "makes" a classic story. obviously not something aimed at one group of people only, not something too polarizing, but something everyone can take a certain amount of meaning from and even enjoy it. there's classics for everything and these are viewed as some sort of standard to judge other things by. who knows what people will be reading years from now? it's odd when people say that things were better in the past, because it's not that it's better, it's because they're already established as a standard and it gives them a sort of bias toward it. imo, a thought provoking work is good exactly because it elicits different reactions from different groups of people. if a work is still discussed today, then it obviously has some sort of merit to it that makes it worth discussing years after it's been written. that's not to say pieces written to suit the time period don't become classics though, every time period is similar enough that people won't see it as alien if they dig through their preconceptions. so a thought provoking work would be one that has a universal question or statement YES, everything needs a purpose put into it. sure you can crap on a skateboard and say "that's art, i made art right there" but did that really have a purpose, and did that purpose get conveyed correctly to who's judging it? i can appreciate nature for being its own thing, but i appreciate art made by people a lot more. art is good for everything, it "really makes me think". that's probably why people find contemporary art so offensive - their attempts at provoking thought just seem to be lacking in any thought to make it subtle. i never really liked contemporary art museums to be honest, they're always a bit odd. and people obviously find it ridiculous (but they don't know why) when people try to make meaning out of something that obviously had no meaning behind it. why would you put something on the same level of someone else's work, when they didn't show any motivation it it? i was thinking about this too: does morality have any place in art forms? should creators be banned from portraying something offensive, disgusting, or otherwise radical? is it more okay to do it when those things have an actual reason behind it other than being senseless violence, gore, and sex? my thoughts on it is that it's always fine to put "offensive" material into your works... if there's a meaning. things for its own sake is just pure shock value, and shock value never translates into a coherent/good story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Devil Trigger Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I thought "Literature" turned you into demons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chen Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 hours ago, shez guevara said: I believe one of the main ways humanity has developed our moral code to such a high degree is because of literature, art, and culture. There's something uniquely human about it, as it allows us to express our values, and also allows us to broaden our own definitions of morality. It sparks debate within ourselves and others. Look no further than the bible, for example. It's nothing more than words on paper, but that book perhaps changed the course of history more than anything else. So that being said, how can we ever broaden our ideas of morality, if we refuse to allow "radical" ideas in? I think of it like natural selection in a way. Without any variation in moral ideas, it's impossible for our values to evolve further. There needs to be something of a "marketplace of ideas" where humanity can consume a wide variety of opinions, debate these opinions, and come out with an even higher moral code. Without ideas that are offensive, disgusting, and radical we won't broaden our horizons. This is not say that we should adopt some sort of moral relavatism where we have tolerance for literally every type of offensive thing out there, but more so that we can understand what the work really is, and from there, debating what a moral code should be. By doing this, we refine our moral code, sharpen it, so it's even more refined than before. But of course, senseless violence, gore, and sex has never been seen at any time as good literature, no one's watching porn for the story. While that sort of thing serves uhh a purpose in society, it shouldn't be considered as any sort of serious literature, unless the artist really attempts to make it more than just porn/gorn. i agree, i'd say that art, literature and such are humanity's methods of self-reflection. and maybe even a way to look into the minds of people you don't necessarily agree with or viewpoints that you've never even thought of - but it's hard to get out of our safe space that we're used to and think on things that aren't necessarily seen as normal. what's the point of anything if you don't let yourself hear other people and grow as a person from doing that, i personally hate things like escapism or generalizing an entire group of people because it just encloses a person into their own mindset. but it can't be helped, everyone likes familiar things more than the obscure i also agree with you here, no diversity in thought = a stagnation of ideas = nobody has any sort of personal growth and are stuck in some sort of room that bounces thoughts off without making any new ones. why should we ban people from eating mushrooms because some of them are poisonous, for a food related example? maybe one of those mushrooms are actually pretty good tasting, but you wouldn't know if you stopped people from eating them out of fear. and there is actually a boundary that i think exists to what should and shouldn't be allowed (a boundary that you shouldn't cross) but it's always debatable where to draw this line. radical ideas can eventually turn into moderate ones and vice versa. who's to say what's radical and not? it's not bad to relieve some of your more base desires on paper! better than doing it to other people, unless they like that kind of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 serious discussion, without the pisstaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nobody Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I don't understand anything of those big posts i'm dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NinjaMonkey Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 14 hours ago, shez guevara said: Definitely prose. I take something like game of thrones, which has a ridiculously complex and convoluted, twisting plot line, but absolutely god awful prose, quantity over quality. The books are thousands and thousands of pages of literal garbage for that reason. Game of Thrones is the title of the HBO TV series. A Song of Ice and Fire is the title of the series of novels that the Game of Thrones TV series is based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 5 hours ago, NinjaMonkey said: Game of Thrones is the title of the HBO TV series. A Song of Ice and Fire is the title of the series of novels that the Game of Thrones TV series is based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Isn't Game of Thrones the name of the first book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZemZem Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) more like a chump among chumps The only king of this thread is me. Highest postcount and all that. Dunno why this has been really active, though. I thought they'd just spam HHH or something. Edited January 22, 2017 by Zeems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rezzy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I saw this wonderful gem in the Creative Section On 8/12/2015 at 4:26 PM, Xelon said: An old man sat in his temple in the Nabada desert, he was going over some scrolls when a young sage and sniper came over to talk to him, the sage looked at him, "Lord Athos, Louise and I are going to go into town, would you like anything." The elderly archsage smiled, "You're both good people. Take care of yourselves and have some fun. Take Hawkeye with you, he doesn't quite get to speak to people that often, being the protector of the desert and all." Louise nodded, "Alright, Lord Athos, are you sure that you'll be alright?" Athos motioned his hand, "Yes, yes, I don't need you to worry about every little detail, Louise. You and Pent have a good time at the town." The sage nodded, "Alright, Lord Athos, we'll be back tomorrow." Athos nodded, "Yes, yes, you have a good time." As the pair left, Athos went back to his studies. Suddenly he felt a presence he hadn't quite felt in five hundred years. He stood up and let down the barrier to let the presence in, soon, a man with a turban over one eye walked in, "It's been a while Athos, are you ready for our 'final battle'?" Athos smiled and started to take off his robe, "Oh yes, Nergal, I'm ready for our 'final battle'." Athos fully took off the robe to reveal that he was wearing a speedo, his thick chest hair had turned white over the years. Nergal did the same to reveal the scars on his eye and that he too was wearing nothing but a speedo, "Oh Athos, your everflowing beard always shines with the truth, I should've listened to you five hundred years ago, then our love wouldn't be forbidden!" Athos grabbed Nergal's chin and looked into his beautiful eyes, "Oh Nergal, though I've forgiven you for becoming a dark druid all those years ago, I know the people haven't, so we must keep our love a secret. It pains me as much as it pains you." Nergal rubbed his hand against Athos' chest, "Oh Athos, my love, is there any world where we can openly love each other?" Athos smiled softly, "Yes, we will make it, Nergal, our love shan't be forbidden forever." Athos gently stroked Nergal's face as the two passionately looked into each other's eyes, the two lovers leaned closer as they moved their arms towards the small of the other's backs. Their lips puckered up and the two of them started to kiss, it was to be a short kiss at first, but became a long passionate one. Athos during the kiss, pushed Nergal towards the bed and pushed him onto it, the two lovers sharing a kiss again. This time one the bed, Athos longed for the day that he and Nergal could do this out in the open, but Elibe wasn't quite ready for their love, unfortunately. When they finally broke the kiss, Athos magicked up them some food with a candle light and the two of them sat at the table, Nergal looked up at him, "Athos, why did you side with the dragons all those years ago and attack me, my love?" Athos reached over and touched the scars that Nergal had, "Your scars only add to your beauty, as for why I did it, I had to put a show for the people. If they knew we were lovers, they would've killed the two of us." Athose suddenly sensed something coming towards them and sighed, "I'm sorry Nergal, but we must cut this short." Athos poofed the table away and kissed Nergal on the cheek, the two of them rushing to their clothing and putting it on. Nergal frowned, "I'll miss you, my love." Athos waved as Nergal teleported away, the elderly arch sage going back to his duties of researching things. Pent and Louise walked back in, "Sorry, Lord Athos, but there was a sandstorm out there and it was too dangerous for any of us to cross the desert into town." Athos nodded and Louise placed her hand on Pent's shoulder, "Is it just me or does Lord Athos seem a bit sad to you?" Pent nodded, "He always seems a bit sad, but I'm not going to ask him if it's his own personal business. From what little I know, he still somewhat feels sorry allowing Nergal to walk down that dark path. They were best friends, you know." Athos listened to this and tried not to cry, his heart ached for his one true love, the man who chose to become a Dark Druid, Nergal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yula Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 NO! My Slash fic... it's everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Xelon said: NO! My Slash fic... it's everywhere! That's Pulitzer material right there. I need to add your works to my library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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