The Galeforce Thread

[I.M. Gei]

That begs the question... why on earth are there so many galeforce threads around here lately? The other four or five aren't good enough or something? xD

"lately"? As far as I can tell, this forum's been going through an anti-Galeforce phase for months by now.

[Florete]

"lately"? As far as I can tell, this forum's been going through an anti-Galeforce phase for months by now.

There is a lot of backlash, but there's still plenty of hype to keep it running.

[Raine]

"lately"? As far as I can tell, this forum's been going through an anti-Galeforce phase for months by now.

True, Galeforce has always been one of those skills praised or condemned to the ends of the earth since the conception of the game... but there are three threads about Galeforce on the very first page (or had been three yesterday-- might be down to two today). I'm not one to care much about how other people play their game-- I'll make suggestions, but this is going a little overboard as far as number of threads needed to convey a singular point of how great a skill Galeforce is (and why people may not want to use it due to the fact).

EDIT: Not even Limitbreaker's getting this much hype anymore and that's a skill I'd recommend before this one any day. DLC or not.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Raine

[I.M. Gei]

There is a lot of backlash, but there's still plenty of hype to keep it running.

Where...? Olwen's probably the only person I've seen who really hyped it lately.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Black★Rock Shooter

[Florete]

Where...? Olwen's probably the only person I've seen who really hyped it lately.

It's less so here (there are others, though not as prevalent), more so in other areas of the fandom, GameFAQs in particular. Of course, Olwen counts as more than one person sometimes when it comes to this skill.

[Loki Laufeyson]

It's less so here (there are others, though not as prevalent), more so in other areas of the fandom, GameFAQs in particular. Of course, Olwen counts as more than one person sometimes when it comes to this skill.

Omg! He has Galeforce!

:P

Like i said, i actually find Breaker skills to be better. (Breaker skills and Galeforce combos are awesome but omfg the grinding....)

[Raine]

idk, I find breaker skills to be very limited in what they can do-- but omg they do so much when they do. Tomebreaker or Swordbreaker are the two i'd put on units if I want a good chance of them activating in battle.

[ZemZem]

Galeforce is great.

But my current team is achieving good turn counts without having to pleasure themselves to it.

[shadowofchaos]

Plus, if he REALLY isn't trying to insult anyone, then he needs to do a better job at that. He needs to learn how to express himself and talk on the internet. (No, I'm not trying to hurl insults here.)

HEY GUYS I SAW THIS STORM COMING FROM A MILE AWAY. YOU NON-IMPORT PEASANTS ARE SOOOOO LAST YEAR.

If I went around and said that, I'd obviously receive backlash. Despite the skill being widely accepted as good... hell, broken...

His attitude is essentially what people are nitpicking him for.

I'm just gonna go and get some popcorn.

[PK Gaming]

You are taking this way too far. There is not one way to be good at the game.

When non-tier goers complain that tier lists and the people who discuss them are just SHFGs ruining the game for everyone else, you're the person they are complaining about.

Quoted for the fucking truth.

This thread is so transparent, you're clearly feeling anxiety because several of us don't think Galeforce is anywhere near good, and the idea that people don't think its a good ability infuriates you. Barely anybody gives a rats ass about your tier list or your playstyle. You aren't some top tier Fire Emblem, you're just a guy with a massive ego and a chip on his shoulder.

Edited May 22, 2013 by PK Gaming

[Book Bro]

Can't we all just agree that Galeforce is neither shit nor the shit

THINK OF THE CHILDREN that are locked out of it surely they are not useless

Some people like using it. Others don't. There are situations where having the skill is very helpful. By no means is having the skill a necessity to enjoy or complete the game. Pretty sure this can be said for any skill (except Limit Breaker in regards to TSON).

[Chiki]

No one's saying you need the skill to enjoy the game.

All I am claiming is that the people who are better at the game tend to see its various uses. This has nothing to do with LTCing; it just has to do with seeing the opportunities that a skill gives you.

Why do people find this so offensive? Being good at a video game is not a big deal. Why does my opinion of my being good at a video game make me narcissistic?

Edited May 22, 2013 by Olwen

[I.M. Gei]

Can't we all just agree that Galeforce is neither shit nor the shit

THINK OF THE CHILDREN that are locked out of it surely they are not useless

Some people like using it. Others don't. There are situations where having the skill is very helpful. By no means is having the skill a necessity to enjoy or complete the game. Pretty sure this can be said for any skill (except Limit Breaker in regards to TSON).

it can be argued that Galeforce is probably a prereq for TSON's stronger wave of enemies

[Renall]

It's more that it's uninteresting in the sense that it's so much better than most other skills, there's little room for choice or comparison. Also when it comes to efficiently playing the regular game, you have to race for it early, to the point where it is banned in many drafts and restricted in some tier lists. Clearly being able to get an extra turn is interesting (after all, I said Dancers were interesting), but I think that Galeforce is much too easy to proc as well. It really might as well say "you can take two turns". Galeforce also makes very low turn strategies almost trivially easy to set up once Kill Boss chapters start appearing in droves in the middle of the game. Being able to charge the boss and kill him on turn 1 without having to put much thought at all into unit positioning isn't very exciting.

There are at least builds for TSON that don't require it. It still has an opportunity cost (of taking up a skill slot), so there are units who have it (or could have it) to whom I still wouldn't actually give it. For TSON, I mean. I don't give much of a crap about Galeforce anywhere else because none of it is especially interesting to me.

EDIT: Not even Limitbreaker's getting this much hype anymore and that's a skill I'd recommend before this one any day. DLC or not.

Mainly because it's self-evident that Limit Breaker is the best skill even though one could make the same argument about it as Galeforce; that is, in 99% of content in this game, capped stats and no LB can basically solo the map so the extra stats are not needed for anything.

This thread is so transparent, you're clearly feeling anxiety because several of us don't think Galeforce is anywhere near good, and the idea that people don't think its a good ability infuriates you. Barely anybody gives a rats ass about your tier list or your playstyle. You aren't some top tier Fire Emblem, you're just a guy with a massive ego and a chip on his shoulder.

Thing is (and I have no idea why I'd defend Olwen on this so just pretend I'm not), there's no rational reason for people to not think Galeforce is good. And many people here have acknowledged as much, and that's fine, they are rating it appropriately and baffled as to why there are like five threads about it alone. But there is a certain segment that's basically just as bad as the OP in terms of being intentionally contrarian and trying to act like they're cool for not buying into a hype that doesn't even exist. There are more threads and posts questioning or bashing Galeforce than threads and posts praising it.

And lest someone bring in "other parts of the fandom, specifically GameFAQs," I should note that GameFAQs's honeymoon with Galeforce is long over and people have done some pretty serious thinking and discussion over the whole Nowi/Tharja/Sully thing for teambuilding and it's not even that uncommon to see a recommendation to give 2/3 of those women a non-Galeforce husband. I don't think there's anybody anymore who insists that a unit without Galeforce is shit. Hell, GameFAQs has been hyping Yarne and Laurent for a while, two guys who will never have it. Clearly they must not be looking at Galeforce's applicability to those guys and their potential builds, since there does not exist a single Yarne/Laurent build that will have Galeforce in it. Same applies to Sorcerers; you even see in most pairing threads now that people consider Team Sorcerer boring, and people are starting to come around to how suboptimal it is for the one time a good team setup matters, and realizing stuff like "oh hey Yarne's insane-ass stat mods from his insanely good mom turn him into Chief Thunderfucker with any halfway decent dad."

The flat truth is this: This is an easy game and you could probably beat it with all of your characters' skill slots completely empty. You could probably respectably LTC it with everybody's skill slots completely empty. You can probably beat the easier waves of TSON with everybody's skill slots completely empty. However, looking objectively at the skills it's impossible not to conclude that the effect of Galeforce makes it one of the most powerful skills in the game.

But that by itself doesn't establish a proper context, and context applies to every skill in the game. If max LTC is the point, Galeforce has extreme value. If TSON is the point, Galeforce has extreme value. If Streetpass is the point, Galeforce is worth absolutely nothing and never needs a slot. If you're grinding a character out, Galeforce is probably worse than Avoid+10 (I'd rather have the latter soloing R&R3). Context is everything. Breakers are good skills, but often worthless on Lunatic+ because Hawkeye exists there. However one wouldn't say there's no point in having a Breaker, as not everybody is playing on L+ or TSON. If you get nitpicky and pedantic you can argue things like "Sol and Renewal are worthless when you're taking 0 damage from everything," which is actually a true statement, but of course it's cherrypicking and that pretty much can be used to point out a flaw in any skill. Because skills have pros and cons. The thing about Galeforce is it has extremely good and relatively unique pros and few cons except in the obvious situations where it can't be used, in which case it has the con of "is no better than an empty skill slot."

We get that. We get that it's pointless in Streetpass. We get that it isn't needed to win. No skill is needed to win. It's still one of the best in a number of popular or interesting contexts and if you ever do intend to grind it's pretty much clearly the female-only skill of choice to give to any son. It is, at this time, pretty much acknowledged to be exactly as good as it actually is with its various weak contexts clearly established and acknowledged as situations where it isn't terribly important. It is no longer overrated by anyone who is sane, but underrating it is still stupid. Can we stop now?

[Chiki]

and I have no idea why I'd defend Olwen on this so just pretend I'm not

Because you agree with me?

[Jakkun]

Hey guys I suck bcause I only use Male Avatar.

I still think I'm pretty decent at the game though.

[Fairlee]

Hey guys I suck bcause I only use Male Avatar.

I still think I'm pretty decent at the game though.

Pfft. who says MaMU suck

you can get up to TWO broken children without having to marry Chrom

[secondworld]

Pfft. who says MaMU suck

you can get up to TWO broken children without having to marry Chrom

Both of which can have Galeforks!

[Jakkun]

Pfft. who says MaMU suck

you can get up to TWO broken children without having to marry Chrom

Well In my case its usually one because 95% of the time I married Lucy.

On my Lunatic run however...lets just say Noire's gonna be better than she was than on my last playthrough.

[Vashiane]

Well In my case its usually one because 95% of the time I married Lucy.

On my Lunatic run however...lets just say Noire's gonna be better than she was than on my last playthrough.

Noire can get easily screwed by the RNG, but having a male Avatar marry Tharja pretty much ensures she'll be a good, if not great, unit.

[Anouleth]

There are at least builds for TSON that don't require it. It still has an opportunity cost (of taking up a skill slot), so there are units who have it (or could have it) to whom I still wouldn't actually give it. For TSON, I mean. I don't give much of a crap about Galeforce anywhere else because none of it is especially interesting to me.

I don't see how taking up a skill slot is a mark against it. You might as well say that Seth or Lena still take up deployment slots. Doesn't make them any less OP or centralising.

[Renall]

I don't see how taking up a skill slot is a mark against it. You might as well say that Seth or Lena still take up deployment slots. Doesn't make them any less OP or centralising.

Opportunity cost matters on a per-character basis. Some skillsets require particular skill outlays that by necessity will use up all of a character's slots for the combination, so it matters in that sense because you can't have "that skill build + Galeforce," and not all builds are improved by replacing one skill in them with Galeforce. Even Limit Breaker technically isn't a 100% assignment for TSON (your rallybots probably would rather just have five rallies than four rallies + LB).

[-Cynthia-]

I think most people can agree that Galeforce is a very good skill, but there are a lot of ways to make the game easy to beat without Galeforce, therefore it is not super necessary.

It's kind of like how it's possible to overrate Seth. Sure, Seth's a great guy that makes Sacred Stones a very easy game, he kills everything forever with high Mov blahblah, but FE8 still isn't that hard even on Sethless runs.

[PK Gaming]

No one's saying you need the skill to enjoy the game.

All I am claiming is that the people who are better at the game tend to see its various uses. This has nothing to do with LTCing; it just has to do with seeing the opportunities that a skill gives you.

Why do people find this so offensive? Being good at a video game is not a big deal. Why does my opinion of my being good at a video game make me narcissistic?

The people who are actually good at this game (or rather, the intelligent people) realize how useful it is, but they don't hold it against units who don't have the skill since it's simply not that necessary in regular play.

[I.M. Gei]

The people who are actually good at this game (or rather, the intelligent people) realize how useful it is, but they don't hold it against units who don't have the skill since it's simply not that necessary in regular play.

hey heads up someone else responded to you dude

Thing is (and I have no idea why I'd defend Olwen on this so just pretend I'm not), there's no rational reason for people to not think Galeforce is good. And many people here have acknowledged as much, and that's fine, they are rating it appropriately and baffled as to why there are like five threads about it alone. But there is a certain segment that's basically just as bad as the OP in terms of being intentionally contrarian and trying to act like they're cool for not buying into a hype that doesn't even exist. There are more threads and posts questioning or bashing Galeforce than threads and posts praising it.

And lest someone bring in "other parts of the fandom, specifically GameFAQs," I should note that GameFAQs's honeymoon with Galeforce is long over and people have done some pretty serious thinking and discussion over the whole Nowi/Tharja/Sully thing for teambuilding and it's not even that uncommon to see a recommendation to give 2/3 of those women a non-Galeforce husband. I don't think there's anybody anymore who insists that a unit without Galeforce is shit. Hell, GameFAQs has been hyping Yarne and Laurent for a while, two guys who will never have it. Clearly they must not be looking at Galeforce's applicability to those guys and their potential builds, since there does not exist a single Yarne/Laurent build that will have Galeforce in it. Same applies to Sorcerers; you even see in most pairing threads now that people consider Team Sorcerer boring, and people are starting to come around to how suboptimal it is for the one time a good team setup matters, and realizing stuff like "oh hey Yarne's insane-ass stat mods from his insanely good mom turn him into Chief Thunderfucker with any halfway decent dad."

The flat truth is this: This is an easy game and you could probably beat it with all of your characters' skill slots completely empty. You could probably respectably LTC it with everybody's skill slots completely empty. You can probably beat the easier waves of TSON with everybody's skill slots completely empty. However, looking objectively at the skills it's impossible not to conclude that the effect of Galeforce makes it one of the most powerful skills in the game.

But that by itself doesn't establish a proper context, and context applies to every skill in the game. If max LTC is the point, Galeforce has extreme value. If TSON is the point, Galeforce has extreme value. If Streetpass is the point, Galeforce is worth absolutely nothing and never needs a slot. If you're grinding a character out, Galeforce is probably worse than Avoid+10 (I'd rather have the latter soloing R&R3). Context is everything. Breakers are good skills, but often worthless on Lunatic+ because Hawkeye exists there. However one wouldn't say there's no point in having a Breaker, as not everybody is playing on L+ or TSON. If you get nitpicky and pedantic you can argue things like "Sol and Renewal are worthless when you're taking 0 damage from everything," which is actually a true statement, but of course it's cherrypicking and that pretty much can be used to point out a flaw in any skill. Because skills have pros and cons. The thing about Galeforce is it has extremely good and relatively unique pros and few cons except in the obvious situations where it can't be used, in which case it has the con of "is no better than an empty skill slot."

We get that. We get that it's pointless in Streetpass. We get that it isn't needed to win. No skill is needed to win. It's still one of the best in a number of popular or interesting contexts and if you ever do intend to grind it's pretty much clearly the female-only skill of choice to give to any son. It is, at this time, pretty much acknowledged to be exactly as good as it actually is with its various weak contexts clearly established and acknowledged as situations where it isn't terribly important. It is no longer overrated by anyone who is sane, but underrating it is still stupid. Can we stop now?

i personally think it's a shame you gloss over his posts in favor of Olwen being Olwen, but whatever i guess it's not my place to comment (or to try to suck up to anyone)

Edited May 22, 2013 by Black★Rock Shooter