Gender Restricted Classes

[The Void]

There were Pegasus Knights who were men.

[Thor Odinson]

I did a search of Valkyries and whether they rode winged horses are up to artistic interpretation. Mainly they just rode horses that magically fly. I'll take female-only pegs if IS gives us dudes on flying goats as a reference to Thor's chariot.

And I'm really sick of the very little body-type variation for female characters. Not all women have bodies that look like they came from Victoria's Secret ads, and while there's nothing wrong with those body types (nonphotoshopped versions, anyway) most women don't actually look like that and certainly most warrior women would probably have a bit more bulk to them.

If they implement femzerkers, which I hope they do, I want actually big and muscular women comparable to the size of her male counterparts, not another supermodel. She doesn't have to be extremely ripped outwardly, since having some body fat is actually good for your muscles, but she can be.

[Bluedoom]

how about everyone starting as a villager?

God I'd love this.

Personally I wouldn't care about class-lock stuff but that's really cuz I just like cool sprites and strategizing haha

[Anouleth]

I know there's a certain joke quotient to what you say but gimme a break man, I don't care about the outfit. They can wear a leather or cloth or even plate top or whatever, as long as it's conveyed that they're a monstrously strong force-of-nature with little regard for their personal safety and a lot of regard for the destruction of their enemies. I just think it would be cool to have an extraordinarily strong axe-wielder terrorizing the battlefield and have them happen to be female, for the same reason my developmentally arrested brain thinks it's cool to have Dart ripping through the hordes with naught but a cut bod and an axe as big as him.

Why does it matter if they're male or female? Unless, that is, you want to perv all over them. Aside from that, I don't see why it would matter to you so much whether it's a man or a woman wielding that axe.

[Rehab]

If you're questioning me on my personal tastes, then for your information I'm attracted to physical features found in all sexes, and I resent, sir, the implication that I single out any one in particular to perve over.

If you're questioning why it matters in general, I don't think there's anything wrong with male berserkers or female pegasus knights, I simply think it'd also be cool to also have female berserkers and male pegasus knights. It's easy for me to take their absence, even when they're omitted rather than explicitly excluded, as intentional. And I don't understand why that would be.

[thetiger39]

I don't see any muscular warrior women on google images. As for stats, I would like for the female fighter to have high hp/str/def and garbage spd and res while the male peg knight would have high skl/spd/res and garbage str and def.

[Thor Odinson]

Hollywood and most of the gaming industry both design their female characters around a monolith build of what's conventionally attractive, and a lot of artists see that and just draw their women based on that (for a variety or reasons). It doens't give an accurate representation of what women actually look like since the women who actually fit those ideals is a very small minorty. While men are often idealised as well, they still get a lot more variety in builds. There's a really good reference image I know of with both male and female olympic athletes and there's a very big range of different body types, and very unlike what's being portrayed in the media.

Yes, I'm saying we should get more Meg-type builds (not, not everyone has to look like Meg. That defeats the point I'm making). Except don't make her a shitty unit this time.

Edit: Linked the refpic for anyone interested.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Thor Odinson

[Dragrath]

personally I don't really care but it is somthing I'm used to the series doing...(also the only way we see female generics is the female only classes so it makes th world less monogender(only issue I have) Afterall if there is a male variant of a class all non playable charecters will be male (high profile bosses and playables are naturaly exempt)

[NinjaMonkey]

Actually, Awakening isn't the first game to have them. Though it is the first one that has been released outside of Japan.

That's clearly wrong, since there weren't any female fighters in FE's 7-11.

while the male peg knight would have high skl/spd/res and garbage str and def.

Which is no different to a female Pegasus knight (so why bother having a male Peg. Knight at all?)

Edited June 16, 2013 by NinjaMonkey

[Acacia Sgt]

That's clearly wrong, since there weren't any female fighters in FE's 7-11.

Nope. Thracia776 and Binding Blade predate Awakening in female Mercenaries/Heroes with Machua and Echidna, respectively. That's the point of my post.

[Thor Odinson]

He said mercenaries, not fighters. FE5 had Machua. BSFE had Malice (who got turned into a myrm in DSFE but turned into a merc again in FE13 spotpass due to female mercenaries being a thing again). FE4's Radney sorta counts as well since she promoted to the archaic and shittier version of the Hero class aka Forrest, and FE6's Echidna is a Hero aka promoted mercenary.

Edit: whoop ninja'd lol

Edited June 16, 2013 by Thor Odinson

[Acacia Sgt]

Oh right, forgot about BSFE Malice and Radney.

[NinjaMonkey]

Nope. Thracia776 and Binding Blade predate Awakening in female Mercenaries/Heroes with Machua and Echidna, respectively. That's the point of my post.

I wasn't talking about the Hero or Mercenary classes. I was talking about the Fighter class (which is male-only).

[Acacia Sgt]

I wasn't talking about the Hero or Mercenary classes. I was talking about the Fighter class (which is male-only).

Then why did you quote me? If you look at the OP, it states that Awakening introduced Female mercenaries. I know that my post didn't quote it, but come on, it was the 2nd post of the thread, it's not like I needed to.

[Thor Odinson]

Which is no different to a female Pegasus knight (so why bother having a male Peg. Knight at all?)

Why do male pegs have to be different than female pegs in principle? The pegasi we have already vary within themselves, but even the tankier ones aren't going to outtank a dracoknight (1/3/DSFE aside since they kinda promote into Dracos). Pegs are fast and magically-resistant units. I see no reason if the hypothetical male peg exists they suddenly all get statspreads of dracoknights. Then they should just go be dracoknights. If they're a peg, they should do the peg thing with slight variations to suit their individual character like how Farina is different than Florina, but nevertheless still suit the peg knight stat spreads.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Thor Odinson

[NinjaMonkey]

Male units generally have more Str and Def than women do, whilst women have more Spd and Res.

[Thor Odinson]

That shouldn't be a rule, though. It may be a tendency, but it's never a hard rule (Dorothy vs Wolt, for example). Gendered caps have been done away with in DSFE and replaced with the individualised caps in FE13 (both of which I much prefer to the gendered caps from 6-10). I would like to see more agile men and strong women, anyway.

If you /must/ have it your way then think of the male peg having statlines along those of Farina's. Even though she has on average better strength than Florina, her best stat remains speed like the other pegs. Even Palla, who's known for her ridiculous strength, at least starts with a better speed base than her strength.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Thor Odinson

[Iridium]

idea

what if we have a male pegasus rider who is, like, lucius levels of pretty

and the pegasi thinks he's a woman until it's too late and it's already attached to him

what i'm saying is that we need a pegasus knight trap

[Steampunk]

So far, I like the flying goat idea best of all. I'm with NinjaMonkey. If we're only making superficial changes in the character's appearance and not really changing anything with how they work as a unit, I don't get the point of it unless we get ridiculous with it. Make a male Pegasus Rider named Chuck Steele or Big McLargehuge, give him 20" biceps and have him use an axe the size of a minivan. I'm talking Duke Nukem levels of macho here.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Sheik

[Anouleth]

That shouldn't be a rule, though. It may be a tendency, but it's never a hard rule (Dorothy vs Wolt, for example). Gendered caps have been done away with in DSFE and replaced with the individualised caps in FE13 (both of which I much prefer to the gendered caps from 6-10). I would like to see more agile men and strong women, anyway.

If you /must/ have it your way then think of the male peg having statlines along those of Farina's. Even though she has on average better strength than Florina, her best stat remains speed like the other pegs. Even Palla, who's known for her ridiculous strength, at least starts with a better speed base than her strength.

So what you're saying is that Farina would be a better character if she was a man instead of a woman.

Why do you hate women, Lumi?

Hollywood and most of the gaming industry both design their female characters around a monolith build of what's conventionally attractive, and a lot of artists see that and just draw their women based on that (for a variety or reasons). It doens't give an accurate representation of what women actually look like since the women who actually fit those ideals is a very small minorty. While men are often idealised as well, they still get a lot more variety in builds. There's a really good reference image I know of with both male and female olympic athletes and there's a very big range of different body types, and very unlike what's being portrayed in the media.

Yes, I'm saying we should get more Meg-type builds (not, not everyone has to look like Meg. That defeats the point I'm making). Except don't make her a shitty unit this time.

But you don't care that Oliver is a shitty unit?

[Sasori]

Michalis is a dracoknight in a game where they are the promoted forms of Pegasus knight. Does that mean Michalis might have been the first male Pegasus knight offscreen?

[Thor Odinson]

So what you're saying is that Farina would be a better character if she was a man instead of a woman.

Why do you hate women, Lumi?

But you don't care that Oliver is a shitty unit?

No, I'm saying that if NM really wanted m/f pegs to be different because he can't see the point I'm making, he can see male pegs along her statlines or something. I like Farina the way she is, but I would like male pegs in future FEs (especially if reclass is a thing) regardless of whatever niche they occupy within the pegasus knight class. I feel that it pointless to demand male units to be "different" in the same way that female and male units of non-gender-locked classes really aren't /that/ much different when you get down to it, especially in classes with more stat specialisation, and I see no reason for male pegs, should the exist, to be any different from that. Do not twist my words.

I forgot that Oliver was even a unit because I played RD exactly once about 2 years ago.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Thor Odinson

[Dark Sage]

How could anyone forget Oliver? He's the most beautiful unit in the series.

[Thor Odinson]

Because beauty is overrated.

[Rehab]

Guh I forgot about that picture set, thanks for posting it dude