Fedora Ferret Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 So I want to play around with Mappy and get a feel for it, since coding and art are not my strong suits but level design is. The problem is, when I go into the files, I can find absolutely no key. No guide saying, for instance, "1C1D1E1F is the fields tileset" (the only one I know since it's in Blazer's ultimate tutorial). As a result, I have no idea what tileset to use for what kind of maps, and I really don't fancy the idea of testing every single one and divining its purpose myself. Is there a key or a guide somewhere, maybe even in the actual files I got with Mappy that I missed in a moment of idiocy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldinnerPlate Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 So I want to play around with Mappy and get a feel for it, since coding and art are not my strong suits but level design is. The problem is, when I go into the files, I can find absolutely no key. No guide saying, for instance, "1C1D1E1F is the fields tileset" (the only one I know since it's in Blazer's ultimate tutorial). As a result, I have no idea what tileset to use for what kind of maps, and I really don't fancy the idea of testing every single one and divining its purpose myself. Is there a key or a guide somewhere, maybe even in the actual files I got with Mappy that I missed in a moment of idiocy? Can't you just tell by the looks? If it has castle tiles, then it's for a castle, ect, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedora Ferret Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 You mean the incredibly difficult to make out one in the thumbnail that has to be shrunken down due to the image's massive size, or the full size one that I have to pull up individually in order to view? I could go through all of them and catalogue what tileset is what. But there are thirty of them and I don't mean to sound negative, but it sounds annoying and tedious, so I figured I'd ask if anyone had done it already and would like to share or have already done so to save myself some time and effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krad Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Download the tilesets that come with Tiled, those ones are easier to look at. While you're at it, just switch to Tiled. It's better than Mappy. Edited July 10, 2013 by Krad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Kitty Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 hahahaha it so isn't sooooooooooo isn't it's almost laughable to compare the two matty you can come in at any time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Glenn Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) This should be all of FE7's native tilesets along with a list of what chapters use them. Better than nothing, since you can look up the maps on our site to get a better idea of what the tilesets are. It helped me out years ago when a friend gave me the information to compile so that I could help make maps for him. [spoiler=Tileset, Chapter Correlations] 0A000B0C -> Chapter 20A003A0C -> Chapter 11H, 15H, 31H0A009B0C -> Chapter 28H0A009F0C -> Chapter 28xH0A00290C -> Chapter 7x0A00520C -> Chapter 17H0A00800C -> Chapter 23xH1C1D1E1F -> Chapter 5, 7, 8, 9, 11E, 12, 13, 16H, 24H(Lloyd), 26H, 32H1C1D8A1F -> Chapter 25H1C1D331F -> Chapter 101C1D441F -> Chapter 13xH1C1D481F -> Chapter 141C1D621F -> Chapter 19H1C1D661F -> Chapter 19xH5B005C5D -> Chapter 18H6A006B6C -> Chapter 19xxH, 20H, 29H7B007C7D -> Chapter 23H1000B712 -> Chapter 31xH01000203 -> Prologue01000703 -> Chapter 110001112 -> Chapter 310002212 -> Chapter 610005612 -> Chapter 17xH, 24H(Linus)10007312 -> Chapter 21H16001718 -> Chapter 416007718 -> Chapter 22H91009293 -> Chapter 27HA700A8A9 -> Chapter 28EAE00AFB0 -> Chapter 30HC100C2C3 -> Final [spoiler=Chapter References] Chapters Prologue, 1-10, 12, 13 - Omitted since they're always the same (All other chapters referenced by Hector Mode Chapter Number) Chapter 11H - Another JourneyChapter 15H - Talons AlightChapter 16H - Noble Lady of CaelinChapter 17H - Whereabouts UnknownChapter 17xH - Port of BadonChapter 18H - Pirate ShipChapter 19H - The Dread IsleChapter 19xH - Imprisoner of MagicChapter 19xxH - A Glimpse in TimeChapter 20H - Dragon's GateChapter 21H - New ResolveChapter 22H - Kinship's BondChapter 23H - Living LegendChapter 23xH - GenesisChapter 24H - Four-Fanged OffenseChapter 25H - Crazed BeastChapter 26H - Unfullfilled HeartChapter 27H - Pale Flower of DarknessChapter 28H - Battle Before DawnChapter 28xH - Night of FarewellsChapter 29H - Cog of DestinyChapter 30H - The BerserkerChapter 31H - Sands of TimeChapter 31xH - Battle PreparationsChapter 32H - Victory or DeathChapter 32xH - Value of Life Final - Final Chapter: Light Edited July 10, 2013 by Lord Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldinnerPlate Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hey Krad. I'm jelly of your maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I could go through all of them and catalogue what tileset is what. But there are thirty of them and I don't mean to sound negative, but it sounds annoying and tedious, so I figured I'd ask if anyone had done it already and would like to share or have already done so to save myself some time and effort.it sounds like you're expecting hacking to be easy and painless in this case it's already been done (there are multiple tilesets that have the correct values on them) but this is a really bad attitude to have ;/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldinnerPlate Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm not really sure if you realize, but all you have to do is double click on the tileset and 99% of the time it will come up in a bigger picture. From there you can look if you want to use that tileset. If you are too lazy to double click then you're in for a shocker if you get into the insertion and hacking parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedora Ferret Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 I like how people think this is me being lazy. This is me being pragmatic. As I said, if no one had come along and given me something like Glenn has I would have gone through and catalogued myself. My point, Eldinnnn, was that there are 30 tilesets, and pulling up each one individually and figuring out their purpose based on scattered, individual tiles, while certainly not too difficult, would be long and tedious. I never said the process of hacking would be easy and painless, I'm just not interested in doing a lot of work that could be circumvented by politely just a question in the board specifically designed for hack based questions. I'm trying to use the resources available to me. If nothing else, thank you for showing me the kind of response I'll get if I ask a simple question designed to make a difficult and time consuming project barely a percent less time consuming. Glenn, thank you very much, that list should help. Krad, thank you as well. I'm going to stick with Mappy for right now, since I have a guide on hand for that, but I'll look into Tiled at some point once I'm more comfortable with this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) No guide saying, for instance, "1C1D1E1F is the fields tileset" 1C1D1E1F. Boom. It's really not that complicated, just use the Chapter Data Editor as a reference. Why was this not the first answer given...? Edited July 10, 2013 by Arch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICKT™ Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 1C1D1E1F. Boom. It's really not that complicated, just use the Chapter Data Editor as a reference. Why was this not the first answer given...? Either this, or just manually go through and check every single tileset, it's really not that hard compared to other things you do with hacking. p_p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) I like how people think this is me being lazy. This is me being pragmatic.they're pretty much the same thing when you really get down to it this isn't necessarily a bad thing, being lazy taught me asm, but the reasoning "someone else has already done it and i want to save myself the work" isn't really a good attitude to have (especially given that it really isn't a difficult thing to figure out anyway) Edited July 10, 2013 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedora Ferret Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why was this not the first answer given...? Thank you kindly Arch. they're pretty much the same thing when you really get down to it this isn't necessarily a bad thing, being lazy taught me asm, but the reasoning "someone else has already done it and i want to save myself the work" isn't really a good attitude to have (especially given that it really isn't a difficult thing to figure out anyway) The difference between laziness and pragmatism is in what you do with the time spent not doing other things. In this instance, I've just used the resources given to me in this thread to create a reference key, a single short document detailing what each map tileset contains. As said before by everyone here including myself, it was very easy. It did, however, take 15 minutes. While this may not seem like a large amount of time, 15 minutes is about how long it takes me to outline the dialogue for a chapter (actually writing it, of course, takes much longer, but in 15 minutes I can have the gist of what each character should say and when). 15 minutes is also how long it would have taken me to prepare a pork chop for lunch, or review artwork for the project that I'm actually being paid for (for the record that's not a time sensitive thing, wouldn't want to make people think I'm irresponsible as well). A lazy person would want to use that 15 minutes for something time wasting. I want to use it to get work done that much faster. Also, for the record, had I not created this thread, it would have taken me significantly longer without Arch's suggestion of the map editor and Glenn's tileset to map guide. So yeah, this ultimately saved me time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) i'm not going to bother getting into the semantic debate but the saying is that "the best hacker is a lazy one" but honestly if you'd taken the 2 minutes to look into the chapter data editor (which is what you should have been doing anyway) you'd have gotten the information anyway Edited July 10, 2013 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Kitty Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 no cam see in the 15 minutes he could have saved his hack would be done by now but since we were "uncooperative" and "unsympathetic" to his woes, he isn't done yet see how this is totally our fault and we should just give in to any requests no matter how silly we think they are for there are amazing hackers like this out there who 15 minutes is the same as months and months to subpar humans like us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldinnerPlate Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I like how people think this is me being lazy. This is me being pragmatic. As I said, if no one had come along and given me something like Glenn has I would have gone through and catalogued myself. My point, Eldinnnn, was that there are 30 tilesets, and pulling up each one individually and figuring out their purpose based on scattered, individual tiles, while certainly not too difficult, would be long and tedious. I never said the process of hacking would be easy and painless, I'm just not interested in doing a lot of work that could be circumvented by politely just a question in the board specifically designed for hack based questions. I'm trying to use the resources available to me. If nothing else, thank you for showing me the kind of response I'll get if I ask a simple question designed to make a difficult and time consuming project barely a percent less time consuming. Glenn, thank you very much, that list should help. Krad, thank you as well. I'm going to stick with Mappy for right now, since I have a guide on hand for that, but I'll look into Tiled at some point once I'm more comfortable with this stuff. I'm sorry but your question just came off as a really simple, small thing to me. I do apologize for my rudeness though since you are asking a hacking related question on the hacking question forum. Just so you know though, there are only about 13 actually different tilesets. The rest are just different palettes of the original 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedora Ferret Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm sorry but your question just came off as a really simple, small thing to me. I do apologize for my rudeness though since you are asking a hacking related question on the hacking question forum. Just so you know though, there are only about 13 actually different tilesets. The rest are just different palettes of the original 13. It's alright, I realize how stupid of a question it was in retrospect. And I know that now, but at the time it was just a wall of images that I couldn't see remotely clearly to me. @Cam: I actually did poke around Nightmare modules, including that one, but for some reason it didn't click that the pointers in the module corresponded to the pointers of the tileset. I suppose if I had read that section of the tutorial through to the Map Insertion part I would have known, but I have a tendency, when seeing a new program, to say "ooh shiny," read what I need to use it, and start fiddling around with it. My mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hell, not everybody can figure everything out for themselves, ya know? No need to be hard on the guy. There've been plenty of times where I've had similar questions and revelations for seemingly-obvious things, I just didn't post a topic on Serenes for everybody to bash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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