AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 you don't get a charge beam boost if charge beam doesn't affect the opponent That's why Dedenne could use Charge Beam on a different pokemon, then when it dies, they send out a ground type and you use Grass Knot? Damn..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 good luck killing something with charge beam LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Magikarp for UBERS! Almost as good as dedenne. My point being, even the crappiest pokemon out there can win battles. You won some random battles with a dedenne. That doesn't make dedenne good, or even decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestige Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Holy hell, Pimpkarp for the freaking win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) clearly Quagsire and Shedinja are good for being top tier Kyogre counters good luck killing something with charge beam LOL fun fact: Dedenne actually needs a Life Orb to OHKO Gyarados with Charge Beam, after max investment in Sp. Atk (it should not need mentioning that Gyarados OHKOs back) Edited November 9, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 clearly Quagsire and Shedinja are good for being top tier Kyogre counters fun fact: Dedenne actually needs a Life Orb to OHKO Gyarados with Charge Beam, after max investment in Sp. Atk Fun fact: Of course it wont OHKO Gyarados with Charge Beam, that thing is 50 BP. good luck killing something with charge beam LOL You obviously don't know anything about leaving the oponnent's pokemon with damage, then when my pokemon dies, i send out Dedenne and use Charge Beam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 good offensive Pokemon can actually kill stuff with low BP moves if they exploit 4x weaknesses, especially with STAB (Scizor could tear a hole through Carbink with Bullet Punch, which is already much better than Dedenne could ever hope for, and obviously swapping something like Jolteon is a clean OHKO too) the fact that Dedenne can't kill something with garbage special bulk shows how bad it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) good offensive Pokemon can actually kill stuff with low BP moves if they exploit 4x weaknesses, especially with STAB (Scizor could tear a hole through Carbink with Bullet Punch, which is already much better than Dedenne could ever hope for, and obviously swapping something like Jolteon is a clean OHKO too) the fact that Dedenne can't kill something with garbage special bulk shows how bad it is K Den Edited November 9, 2013 by AssassinSevera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 you're impressing nobody also, lawl: +1 252+ Atk Iron Fist Gurdurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Dedenne: 164-193 (59.42 - 69.92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 you're impressing nobody also, lawl: +1 252+ Atk Iron Fist Gurdurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Dedenne: 164-193 (59.42 - 69.92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO K Den Also don't forget Sitrus Berry + Cheek Pouch, making it a 3HKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 you're impressing nobody No he isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) No he isn't god damn it >_> seriously though, let's review Dedenne's options: 1. some sort of shoddy attempt at tank, with max HP/defense EV investment and Sitrus Berry and all that ......gets wrecked anyway by something that can hit it at all neutrally (or apparently even when NFE) 2. all-out offense, Pikachu-style it can OHKO stuff that it can hit with SE Thunderbolt!....so can all the other Pikaclones this thing can't even get Dazzling Gleam (why?), that's hilariously awful and as for a certain someone, Tbolt w/o Life Orb 3HKOs Eviolite Gurdurr while it heals up with Drain Punch, so LOL Edited November 9, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 You obviously don't know anything about leaving the oponnent's pokemon with damage, then when my pokemon dies, i send out Dedenne and use Charge Beam. That won't actually mean anything against any half-competent player. All but one member of my dumbshit-offense team has the defenses to tank a boosted Charge Beam easily. If you're sacrificing Pokemon to facilitate a Dedenne sweep, realize that Dedenne isn't that fast to begin with. Also you keep ignoring my posts Either [...] fight me [...] or accept that people will tend to doubt the defensive abilities of a Pokemon with 67 / 57 / 67 base defenses, susceptibility to every entry hazard, and only five resistances and immunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Dedenne is better than you guys think, the meta doesn't mean anything Edited November 24, 2013 by AssassinSevera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Dedenne is better than you guys think, the meta doesn't mean shit The meta might not mean shit, but its BTS certainly does. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) There's not much of an established metagame to begin with, so of course peoples' perceptions on what's good and what isn't are likely to change. But let me remind you that you were the one who initially challenged me and Spaceman Craig to matches. Your apparent refusal to play now (and your three posts with little more than image macros) leads me to think you've conceded the basic point that Dedenne isn't very competitive. edit: or perhaps you're just chicken? Edited November 9, 2013 by Miikaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 fight me oh hi there Meta Knight, how many time outs have you gotten in Brawl lately Dedenne is better than you guys think, the meta doesn't mean shit watch out we got a badass over here, telling us about the meta if you're trolling, you're not doing a good job at it, if you're not, then battle one of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 There's not much of an established metagame to begin with, so of course peoples' perceptions on what's good and what isn't are likely to change. But let me remind you that you were the one who initially challenged me and Spaceman Craig to matches. Your apparent refusal to play now (and your three posts with little more than image macros) leads me to think you've conceded the basic point that Dedenne isn't very competitive. edit: or perhaps you're just chicken? I already said i'm not going on Pokemon Online oh hi there Meta Knight, how many time outs have you gotten in Brawl lately watch out we got a badass over here, telling us about the meta if you're trolling, you're not doing a good job at it, if you're not, then battle one of us I want to battle you but I don't have your "friend" code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I already said i'm not going on Pokemon Online I am aware. You never answered why you were so opposed to using downloadable software. Why, it's even open-source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 more importantly, Pokemon Showdown is back up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) His refusal to play on Showdown stems from the apparently incorrectly implemented mechanics of Cheek Pouch. Not like it would make any difference when 0 EVed Gastrodon OHKOs. Edited November 9, 2013 by Miikaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Combusken, Doublade, what other NFE Pokemon are better than Dedenne I suggested Gale Wing Fletchinder in the other thread :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 I am aware. You never answered why you were so opposed to using downloadable software. Why, it's even open-source. Because usually downloadable things have viruses, so I'll stick to Pokemon Showdown So now why dont we all go on Pokemon Showdown and battle? My username is ElectricApples, tell me yours and the server you are in and i'll battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Pokemon Online doesn't have any viruses. You can confirm this by viewing the source code and installing from source if you're that concerned. My username on PS is john zoidberg. I'll be in the main lobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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