Espinosa Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Actually, I wast thinking of Blacksmith, but you are right about Hayato being a great Oni Chieftain, his growths even seem to be tailor-made for it. It's his low level that hurts him. Well, it doesn't on Revelation! Remember that Hayato damages foes of a higher level much harder and that experience gain is ridiculously fast when you're underlevelled. I'd argue he's more worthy of training than somebody like Setsuna since he has 1-2 range and shortly gets Horse Spirit! Orochi is probably still better on Birthright, but he can be used unless we want the lowest turns possible or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 At least Rinkah has Resistance Seal to help with damage as a Shura, maybe...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Well, it doesn't on Revelation! Remember that Hayato damages foes of a higher level much harder and that experience gain is ridiculously fast when you're underlevelled. I'd argue he's more worthy of training than somebody like Setsuna since he has 1-2 range and shortly gets Horse Spirit! Orochi is probably still better on Birthright, but he can be used unless we want the lowest turns possible or something. I was looking at some growths and the join times of some characters in Revelations, and it seems that Hayato is the best magic user of Revelations. Granted Sakura and Felicia are also good magic users for Revelations, but Hayato seems promising! Even better than Leo in magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It looks like Izana is the best magic user in Hoshido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It looks like Izana is the best magic user in HoshidoDoesn't he join a bit late however?I think it's Sakura that is Hoshido's best magic user, but Izana is really good as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It looks like Izana is the best magic user in Hoshido Eh? I thought it was Sakura (stafflock be damned)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Isn't Sakura better as a War Priestess because of the large bow buff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 In Hoshido, Izana is the one with the sufficient magic score to halve the final bosses' HP. Just keep an Arms Scroll for him and recruit him late. Sakura isn't a good magic user anywhere because C lances takes stupidly long to reach. I found the investment not worthwhile both times I tried it. As an Onmyogi, she's usable I suppose, but why not train somebody who can build tome rank from jointime? Priestess just sucks, even on Revelation where you get the Shining Bow and the 1-ranged one. Felicia is a glass cannon without enough offence to be used as one. I've enjoyed her as a Dark Falcon on my recentest run though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Rinkah's personal skill really helps with her low strength and she's got great defense. I really don't know why people think she's bad just because she's not your typical axe fighter. Well, I can agree with this - I'd say she's better than, say, any of the GBA fighters not named Geitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Rinkah is awesome if you reclass her into Dread Fighter and keep her there until she learns Aggressor, reclassing back to Master Ninja afterwards. Without a Dread Scroll, she's merely a pair up bot. Dread Fighter HP, Strength and Defense are all lower than Oni Savage so what's so great about it? Higher bases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Can you reclass to Dark Falcon at any level? Hayato looks like he would really shine as one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Dread Fighter HP, Strength and Defense are all lower than Oni Savage so what's so great about it? Higher bases? +1 mov, +2 str, +3 spd, shuriken access for 1-2 range. Keep building up shuriken rank and then reclass to Master Ninja when it's time to learn Kunaifaire. Dread Fighter and Dark Falcon make almost every shitty unit useful in Fates (besides the really late joiners in Revelation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) In Hoshido, Izana is the one with the sufficient magic score to halve the final bosses' HP. Just keep an Arms Scroll for him and recruit him late. ... ...... Meh. I shouldn't have to recruit him late just to make him useful... Edited February 20, 2016 by Levant Mir Celestia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 One best mage in Hoshido is fast promoted Sakura, promote her at lvl 10 and there you go! Hayato have bad lvl/bases, Orochi -2 spd 30% spd growth isn't good. Sakura join fast, you can get her lvl 10 fast as well, promote isn't hard to do as well. Izana is fine, however he's kinda late in-game which sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 This is the FE game of weird growths. Orochi has practically no speed, Hinata is a tanky myrmidon and Asama is physically inclined. To be fair, Hinata has access to a semi-tanky promotion. Can you reclass to Dark Falcon at any level? Hayato looks like he would really shine as one Azama has become my first Dark Falcon; re-classed the map he joined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxachronc Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Rinkah STR growthas an Oni is not that bad, like 45% , which is the same as Nolan in RD, is not going to break the game in half like Ryoma but it gets the job done if used right, I began the Hoshido on hard and it actually has been good, not broken, but is nice, of course Fiery Blood is something that you need almost always active, she is a prime candidate for the Seraph Robe you get early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Look man if you truly love and want to use Rinkah you'll go to all lengths for her both dragon herbs and 3 tonics later before chapter 7 im just saying (in all seriousness using her to front does take quite a bit of work. I'm just also very good at favoritism when I want to be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Rinkah is total garbage I'm using Setsuna and she's still more workable than miss 2-damage-on-Normal it's sad when you're trash even on normal mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'll probably try and use Rinkah because Thor has convinced me to try her out. If she doesn't work as much as i'd hope, those bonuses help and I'll get to appreciate her great design at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Rinkah is total garbage I'm using Setsuna and she's still more workable than miss 2-damage-on-Normal it's sad when you're trash even on normal mode Git gud scrub, i'm here on lunatic doing 20x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Git gud scrub, i'm here on lunatic doing 20x2 both dragon herbs and 3 tonics later before chapter 7 ok besides, why give favouritism to a character I don't even like when I can give it to Jakob, Saizo, Sakura, Azama, Orochi, and Setsuna, the amazing brigade Rinkah is completely inferior to any Dread Fighter of any merit. Even Hana would likely end up with more strength. Edited February 21, 2016 by Ms. Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngtunganh Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Decided,no more Rinkah and Orochi How about Tsubaki? And Kaze and Saizo who better? Edited February 21, 2016 by Ngtunganh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemind Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 She's good at being a person to marry, with good hair color, so that I can have a good looking kid. After that, it's back to the reserves for her until I finally 20/20 everyone. I can't stand her personality either. Very abrasive, and not in a Tsundere kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) ok besides, why give favouritism to a character I don't even like when I can give it to Jakob, Saizo, Sakura, Azama, Orochi, and Setsuna, the amazing brigade Rinkah is completely inferior to any Dread Fighter of any merit. Even Hana would likely end up with more strength. dragon herb is only +1 to stat (accounts for 2x2 more damage), tonics are 150g and standard Lunatic strat using pairup intelligently and taking advantage of flame blood is a lot more important Edited February 21, 2016 by Thor Odinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonslayer9x Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Rinkah has been a staple member of my team so far. I used her as a front liner once I noticed her bulky nature, but she started having some close calls when mages started showing up on the field. I got her up to level 17 or 18 and then reclassed her into Dread Fighter which sky rocketed her res to match her def. She's basically a giant distraction and lets me aggro enemies on my terms. All she does is run into battle shouting "are you not entertained!?" Her damage output is fine because she always takes a hit before she deals one, at least the way I'm using her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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