Soonaynay Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I'm a little confused with what goes into calculating effective speed and doubling. So today I used Subaki to attack an enemy unit with a Javelin (Subaki's base speed: 11, enemy's base speed: 12). The Javelin has the effect of -5 effective speed, so now Subaki: 6, enemy: 12. However, Subaki also has the skill Darting Blow, which has the effect of +5 effective speed, so shouldn't their base speeds balance out to the original (Subaki: 11, enemy: 12)? Why is the enemy still able to double Subaki during Player Phase? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I'm a little confused with what goes into calculating effective speed and doubling. So today I used Subaki to attack an enemy unit with a Javelin (Subaki's base speed: 11, enemy's base speed: 12). The Javelin has the effect of -5 effective speed, so now Subaki: 6, enemy: 12. However, Subaki also has the skill Darting Blow, which has the effect of +5 effective speed, so shouldn't their base speeds balance out to the original (Subaki: 11, enemy: 12)? Why is the enemy still able to double Subaki during Player Phase? Thanks in advance! The Javelin increases the enemy's effective speed rather than reducing yours according to the wiki. So you're both getting +5 to effective speed. You don't get enough to double him in that case (16 vs. 12) while the enemy does (17 vs 11). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonaynay Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Ah, I think I see. So essentially, the effective speed and double-attacking thresholds are calculated separately? And each effect is calculated individually to see if that specific unit can double or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) Ah, I think I see. So essentially, the effective speed and double-attacking thresholds are calculated separately? And each effect is calculated individually to see if that specific unit can double or not? Yeah, I'm 99% sure that they don't stack, but I don't know the specifics. I think they'd stack if they were both positive, but idk. Edited March 6, 2016 by Phillius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Subaki's skill increases speed when you attack, so it does not work on enemy phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonaynay Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Awesome, thanks for answering. Going off of that, can the ally and enemy units both double attack in the same turn due to this mechanic? (For example, comparing base speeds of 10 vs 10, and ally unit is using both a Javelin and the skill Darting Blow.) According to this explanation, each separate ES calculation should be 5 vs 10, and 15 vs 10, so they should both double attack. Can anyone confirm if this actually happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Awesome, thanks for answering. Going off of that, can the ally and enemy units both double attack in the same turn due to this mechanic? (For example, comparing base speeds of 10 vs 10, and ally unit is using both a Javelin and the skill Darting Blow.) According to this explanation, each separate ES calculation should be 5 vs 10, and 15 vs 10, so they should both double attack. Can anyone confirm if this actually happens?Well, the Javelin does NOT allow you to double attack no matter what. You can only test this theory with weapons like Chakram (a Shuriken). Check the wiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonaynay Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Omg true, my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Omg true, my bad. In theory, it should be possible under the right circumstances. Hell, even a speed tie with both units having darting speed should cause both to double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 In theory, it should be possible under the right circumstances. Hell, even a speed tie with both units having darting speed should cause both to double The flaw with that is that Darting Blow only works for the initiator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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