Zerxen Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I find it a little unfair for proc skills exist based on RNG; it is hard to strategize against because it is all based chance, though I will admit the same could be said for critical hits. I had this idea where there could be a sort of skill gauge for proc skills like Sol. Every time a unit initiates an attack, they have a chance of filling in a gauge, equal to their skill stat (a unit with 20 Skill has a 20 percent chance). When the gauge is filled, the unit can activate skills. Not sure if this is great since enemy units most likely will not live long enough to fill in the gauge. In addition, the whole idea is still based on RNG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 they shouldn't i'd rather they just didn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) Heroes had the right idea with them, tbh. The procs in Heroes are 100% predictable, it's great. And you can only equip one at a time. Edited May 25, 2017 by Glaceon Mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Glaceon Mage said: Heroes had the right idea with them, tbh. The procs in Heroes are 100% predictable, it's great. And you can only equip one at a time. I disagree - my main gripe with it is the abuse potential. Well, that, and if they have too much cooldown to ever be relevant. Edited May 25, 2017 by Levant Mir Celestia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I like the Arts system from Echoes a lot more than random procs or even cooldowns, honestly. I hope a tweaked version makes it to FE Switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Command skills with turn count cooldowns would be the most reliable and accessible of skill systems. Though throwing procs and HP costing skills into the mix would be fine too, no reason they can't coexist. We could also try skills that consume additional weapon durability, or skills that can only be used before moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Command skills with turn count cooldowns would be the most reliable and accessible of skill systems. Though throwing procs and HP costing skills into the mix would be fine too, no reason they can't coexist. We could also try skills that consume additional weapon durability, or skills that can only be used before moving. You know, I think Skills should use it Fates' Weapons system. For example, you use Astra, and your Attack is halfed until next turn, or you lose 4 SKL/4 ATK in exchange of Luna. Tying skills to the weapons like in Echoes could work as well. The debuffs to weapons were to big compared to the cost, and in case of silver Weaponry they quickly stacked and made the suer unuseable. But for 1 time skill, it would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerxen Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 47 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: I like the Arts system from Echoes a lot more than random procs or even cooldowns, honestly. I hope a tweaked version makes it to FE Switch. I have yet to play Echoes, could you please elaborate on the Arts system? 29 minutes ago, Tamanoir said: You know, I think Skills should use it Fates' Weapons system. For example, you use Astra, and your Attack is halfed until next turn, or you lose 4 SKL/4 ATK in exchange of Luna. Tying skills to the weapons like in Echoes could work as well. The debuffs to weapons were to big compared to the cost, and in case of silver Weaponry they quickly stacked and made the suer unuseable. But for 1 time skill, it would work. That actually sounds great. Could provide for some interesting gameplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zerxen said: I have yet to play Echoes, could you please elaborate on the Arts system? Basically, by using a weapon a lot, you can unlock Arts specific to that weapon (some weapons/equipment share Arts though). Arts use a bit of HP to activate, and prevent you from doubling, but you gain properties, such as bonus Hit/Might/Crit, a Silence effect on an arrow, increased range, a Brave weapon effect, Astra, etc. Edited May 25, 2017 by SatsumaFSoysoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 So why are people critical of the RNG factor of Skills when so much of the game is RNG? Hit rate and critical hit rate are RNG too. I'm not particularly attached to RNG skills so I'd be down for an arts system or having a skill activation gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NekoKnight said: So why are people critical of the RNG factor of Skills when so much of the game is RNG? Hit rate and critical hit rate are RNG too. Proc skills generally have such low activation rates that you can't count on them and thus plan with them activating at all in mind. I can much more plan with a 70-80% hit rate in mind than I can with a 20% Luna activation. And rarely do I plan with criticals in mind, they're just the universal proc skill that isn't a skill. Not even with a 50% crit on an accurate and doubling unit do I make life or death strategy decisions around crits (and character death is of course the ultimate arbiter of decision making in non-Casual FE). RNG is fine in FE, but RNG isn't always lovable/acceptable- Mario Party: Island Tour is all RNG done badly. Edited May 26, 2017 by Interdimensional Observer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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