Mitsuki

Are we lynching Kirsche??? And people have the same scumreads as me for once??? HOLY SHIT I will definitely vote there, just not yet. I need to recheck my read on Boron. Remember to lynch guys, otherwise it will be universal loss. I'd assume people can consolidate but after seeing D4 I'm not so sure about it. also lol @Kirsche saying that the hook is more powerful than the loverizer in my role. Sure man, a hook that is probably not even going to take place is OP! And a loverizer that may give town another mislynch isn't. That sure is how it works. It's time to face it, I am townreading both Randa and Elieson, and I don't know what to do about it.

I don't think Marth is scummy on not protecting Clarinets, I think his reasoning is fine because I was thinking the same and I targetted Clarinets either way (because from our interactions in the QT I felt like I had to push him to do and say stuff and he felt reluctant to talk). Remember this? The code is encrypted in Vigenère with two different keys for extra security, because otherwise it could be broken more easily. I made it 14 characters long so that it would be as long as "post restrictor" but that's not what it says there. Said keys are "thegayest" and "gay" but reversed and applied from the end, so actually "agy". There are online decoders for these so you can look that up and decode it so that you know that I'm not making up the final message: "PRESTLOVERIZER" So that is my role. I can post restrict people, which is the part you already know, and if 3 separate people don't break the post restrictions I gave them I can loverize two players in the game. It's actually called matchmaker in my PM but whatever. I hope now it's obvious why I wanted to use all my shots as soon as possible and why I gave very simple PRs overall, even if Elieson still managed to screw them up repeatedly. And it's not only because loverizer is my favourite role ever and I'm so happy to have rolled it, but mostly because it's quite powerful. In case you couldn't tell, I'm leaving both the part of whether I got the shot or not and the part of when it takes effect (either higher or lower priority than kills) ambiguous on purpose, so that scum have to WIFOM hard who they have to kill and so that they make suboptimal decisions. Have fun, maflords <3 This is very important: In case two people are indeed loverized and they survive through the night, they shouldn't claim who they are in thread inmediately, so that scum don't get an advantage out of that. Very unlikely but worth mentioning. @Refa: I knew you were doing that (took me a while to realize, but yeah).

Refa is confirmed town assuming Izhuark/Marth are town. Izhuark was at 4 votes yesterday and he could have hammered him, but he didn't. And him being able to end the game by a mislynch yesterday is the reason why you didn't want to lynch yesterday. If Marth may replace Refa in your suggested scumteam then Refa is town and if he doesn't then Refa is also town, from your point of view. Man Kirsche you sure are INTERESTED in knowing about my role. I can explain it now, yeah. In my next post. Not so sure about it but this looks like fearmongering to me. It's ok if you're gutreading Kirsche as town (well, it sucks for me, but what can I do about it lol) but don't just assume he is because it's hard to admit you could have gone wrong. We all sucked this game, and sadly I'm pretty sure we're going to lose. But the mistakes are already written and you're going to regret them the same be it now or later when the game ends. There's no point in trying to forget about them for a little longer, specially when now is the time when you can do something about them. Yeah, I know I may be the one who's actually wrong about Kirsche (even though I don't think I am, which is why I'm casing him), but regardless of who's right and who's wrong I think that's a very important thing to consider.

What do you think about the fact that they are nuts, then? People can be nuts as either alignment. ISOing Elieson has made me confused again because I'm getting town vibes from the way he's saying stuff. Ugh. Though, @Elieson: Thoughts on Kirsche and Izhuark (yes, Izhuark, not Marth) right now?

I guess I'd be ok with lynching Boron too, I'm just not that sure about her. I will let you know my thoughts on Randa and Elieson when they're not a mess but right now I think I'm like Elieson > Randa. I just don't think Randa is that scummy anymore. I need to remember what I cased Randa and Elieson on before, though. D4 I made a song. It's called "Can't We Just Lynch Kirsche Already". I removed the file name because I guess it could count as OC, but that would be very stupid. Best song obviously, you can totally make good music when you know nothing about composing, and you've only had basic music lessons at school which sucked anyways.

Oh and if you're going to say "BUT KIRSCHE HAS PLAYED WELL!!!" go ahead and tell me what he's done other than confronting Boron, Refa and me. Yeah. Absolutely nothing. He's never ever pushed to lynch his scumreads, he's only been posting walls and walls of discussion which were, honestly, useless. Yeah, you can reply to shit, but if that's the only thing you do your motivation is scummy and you're scum, there's just no other way around it. This isn't even his typical scum play, I bothered to check. Not his town play either, yeah. But it's scummy as fuck guys please stop being blind to the obvious I want to lynch scum for once

I'm going to be so mad if the scumteam turns out to be Kirsche/Elieson/Boron because I could totally have called that D1 but I wasn't sure and I didn't and then I just kind of forgot about that uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh I think Elieson is townie. Boron slightly scummy (I agree with what Marth has said + PoE + I trust you, past!Mitsuki), Elieson slightly townie but I don't know who of him and Randa are the towniest. It's weird because Randa is both scummier and townier than Elieson and I'm conflicted there. I need to think about that but it'd be optimal for me not to lynch there today, and get more info on both of them. Oh well. Everyone else is almost confirmed town to me and if you don't agree I don't know what to say about you. Oh and Prims said we wasted our NL, which we only have one before universal loss. He didn't make Refa confirmed town, although I think he is based on how he didn't hammer Izhuark yesterday. If you ever thought Izhuark was scum flaking, think again. I don't think he'd have been almost modkilled if he was trying to fake contribution while being lazy about it.

THANK YOU. I've been feeling like that was the case for all of the game. Like people don't listen to me because it's me. It's good to know I'm not crazy. Also guess who wasted her last shot on Clarinets. Wow, I'm terrible. I was going to target Randa but then he came across as too weird to me. "I'm town because I'm town" just looks like the kind of arguement that town would use to defend themselves. I know Randa can pull a lot of WIFOM but that is just too extereme and too ridiculous, and you don't even know that's a towntell if you haven't seen/done that before. And I think I'm the only person who ever defends herself like that, so yeah. I don't know though. Can we not vote anyone yet please? Except if it's Kirsche. He's definitely scum for trying to NL when the good thing to do from his point of view was lynching Refa. And I just get the feeling that he's tried to discredit my arguements against him by saying that I wasn't answering what he was talking about, when I definitely was and well, he's not that dumb to not understand my posts. But whatever dudes, I'm obviously the biased one here so remember to forget about my cases and several points against him!!!

Yeah we are not lynching Cam. I wanted to see what Randa would do. And I don't like it. If he actually wanted that lynch he'd be pushing for it, or at least brining up some relevant point about Cam, but instead he's just going along with whatever happens. I did say this before, didn't I? But now it's happened again. ##unvote ##Vote: Randa Considering that Refa is most likely town I feel better about placing my vote here. Still not optimal, but yeah.

Oh. Assuming Izhuark is town, Refa is confirmed town because otherwise he could have hammered Izhuark. I am so sleepy right now, you have no idea.

Kirsche why do you even want to go with NL. There's literally no better way to obtain info than getting a flip, why aren't you pushing me. Or Refa, if you're so paranoid about his role that it makes you want to NL. What does someone's play being all over the place mean to you? Sorry, but I'll answer the rest tomorrow. It's not going to help doing that now. If you want a reply now though, say so and I'll do my best to answer.

When it's time to consolidate for you and almost nobody does shit. I've decided I'll only be around for another hour, I need to sleep. It's worth mentioning that I've asked Clarinets to give his thoughts on Randa and Kirsche (Kirsche because I'm scumreading him, Randa because he said he'd support a lynch on him) and he still hasn't replied. I checked timestamps and he didn't reply to a message in spite of seeing it but he went ahead and replied to my next message. I'm suspicious but I'm not entirely sure on what to make out of it. I should change my vote because by the looks of it Kirsche isn't going to be lynched but I'm kind of paranoid. SIGH

Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't write that properly. I still want to ask, where did you get the feeling that I was pushing you like you are a competent player as scum? I think that's something people do as scum? The motivation in voting people because of what it means to vote people is different than the motivation behind voting people to make sense of the game and lynch scum. I see yours as the former. Now that you've seen a lot more posts by Randa, what do you think of his play? What are your thoughts on Refa right now? What do you think about Clarinets?

Sorry if this sounds harsh but that literally makes no sense (Not in a scummy way, but just what). You're supposed to vote your strongest scumread, unless you need to consolidate, because that's the person who you have your strongest read on. Do you think Cam and Kirsche can't be scum together? The one thing I don't like about that is the passive acceptance of the lynch, I think town would care more about lynching their scumreads instead of passively going with what is happening. I need to think more about this but yeah.

Like 3 games I think. As context, he gave up on one of those (where he was town) because he felt like he was a terrible mafia player.

Can someone make a summary on why people think Izhuark is scum please? Other than Boron's case, all I remember is "wow he's been inactive, must be SCUM". I'm absolutely against his lynch if it wasn't obvious. I think people are casing him because he's the easy way out of the clusterfuck of townreads everyone has. Please, give this post I made on him another read. It's ok if you still disagree, but let's talk about it. You. Other people too, maybe. But you have to take Izhuark's personality and mafia experience into account. I don't think he'd say something like that.

I'm going to point out another thing that makes me pretty sure that Izhuark is town. I am punching the first person who says I just think this because it's about me by the way: Focus on the bolded part, the rest is there for the sake of context. That's kind of gay. Do you see scum saying this with a straight face? (Ha ha, I'm so funny). Regardless of our reads on Izhuark I think we can agree that he's not faking the fact that he's not confident, at least to an extent. Be it because he's town who cannot find any good reads or scum who doesn't feel good about his play. Going from that, I don't see him coming up with stuff like that to say. If you're newbscum and you don't feel good about your play the last thing that crosses your mind is faking shit like that. I still have a lot to do but I should be paying attention to my family, sorry guys.

Next Post: Corrected Votals??? Izhuark (2): Boron, Cam Randa (2): Elieson, mysterious vote wink wink Clarinets (1): Refa Kirsche (1): Mitsuki Not voting (2): Izhuark, Kirsche I don't know how much time is left in the phase, maybe 17 hours or something like that.

I'm disagreeing with other people this game, it's different than that and I explained it. I don't see you as trying to make sense of the game, but rather as someone who's voting others because that's what you have to do. I think the Mancer kill before him is, Mancer was almost cleared but Refa is effectively the same, since he was being townread by everyone. Plus he is a way better player (sorry Mancer) and he has a strong role. Although honeslty I don't know what to think anymore about that. Meh. I don't care about that. I am asking you: Where did you get the idea that I am casing you on being a competent player? This is important, and I want you to answer it. This is false. You said that I was playing as if I was twisting facts to make them fit my thoughts, and that my usage of meta was questionable. You cited an example and I explained how your interpretation was wrong. This reply has nothing to do with my point. Why would this come as a surprise to me if I were scum? Please answer.

@Izhuark: I'm guessing that the replacement mods asked for is for you, but, could you please try to consolidate at least? You don't have to be there at 6 am to vote, of course, but you should definitely place a vote before going to sleep. Otherwise we may not be able to lynch. Opinions are pretty split so there aren't any easy to answer questions. It would be nice if you could ISO Kirsche and Randa. Also, who do you think should be copped? Do you have any townreads? (I think you were townreading me but other than that. If you don't feel the same way now it's also worth mentioning it).

Next Post: Votals??? Izhuark (2): Boron, Cam Randa (2): Elieson, mysterious vote wink wink Clarinets (1): Refa Kirsche (1): Mitsuki Refa (1): Kirsche Not voting (1): Izhuark I don't know how much time is left in the phase, maybe 18 hours or something like that.

I don't think I've said that you vote people randomly, but if I have that's definitely not what I meant. What I mean is that, for the whole game, your logic on your scumreads hasn't been natural and that you've been trying to paint stuff as scummy when it could easily be interpreted as something null. It feels like you're not scumhunting to make sense of the game, but rather that you are scumhunting only to place votes and have cases without actually feeling any particular way about them. I don't see the town intent behind that. Dude, if you're going to case me, you should at least try to ISO me. This exists. No. Players like him = good players as scum. And I said this is a nullread. I just didn't want people to townread you on something that I had seen scum do before. I'm not saying that you are like Vhaltz and that makes you scum. Don't twist my words. I do think you are a competent player as scum, probably as town too, but where did you get the feeling that I was pushing you as such? Please answer. I can't explain any further than what I already have because doing that would mean that scum could screw up with my role. I did target SB for fun when I should have targeted Michelaar according to my reads at that moment but I regret nothing. You can find an explanation on my targets of choice on some of my earlier posts. I targetted Elieson N3 because of the same reasons I targetted him N1.

No. I went to sleep at 4 am and I've slept for 6 hours. I'm definitely not ready to post! Also @people who are saying that my logic is biased to reinforce my previous opinions: Screw you. I don't even care if you find this townie, scummy or whatever but I'm definitely not doing that because I don't go and read people's posts and say "So my read is x, what can reinforce my read from this post?" but rather "My read is x, what can I find in this post? Is there anything that could contradict my read?". I've even been mentioning some of my doubts through the game, they're there if you want to look for them. Stop discrediting my reads like that. Pay attention to them, argue against them IF you feel the opposite way, case me on my content or whatever you want. But saying that I'm trying hard to keep my previous opinions because that is 100% WRONG. I don't know who your scumbuddies are (because I'm not thinking about interactions), but other people I think are/may be scum are Kirsche (duh), Randa (maybe), Clarinets (probably not) and Boron (again, probably not). I'm townreading Clarinets and Boron, yeah, but I'm not that sure about them. From the looks of it I'm going to have to reread Randa and maybe Clarinets in depth for this phase so you'll get updated thoughts on them. By the way: I definitely don't want to lynch Refa today. I do think that scum would have killed him if he was town, but as I stated everything he's done so far feels townie to me. I don't think I'll ever come to a conclusion with regards to that but yeah. I understand the strategical value of lynching him now, but it still doesn't feel optimal to me. Which ones? Next post: Replying to Kirsche. I'm splitting my post to make it more readable.

Actually I haven't mentioned Kirsche but I haven't gotten to Kirsche's content yet in my reread and I already reconsidered my read enough before. I need to update my case on him a little bit but that will have to wait

I'm at my mother's house, which means I have unlimited access to SF. But I'll probably be as active since I want to spend time with friends and family. So on the train I kept thinking about mafia and honestly, the fact that Refa is still alive makes no sense. Scum are always very paranoid about town with extra voting power and they tend to kill them early. Couple that with the fact that this is an extra vote that doesn't deactivate in LyLo (because there's no LyLo announcement in the first place) and that Refa is a strong player who is being townread by everyone but Kirsche, and it makes no sense. Not even as some sort of dumb WIFOM strategy. And yes, I've been looking through Refa's posts and I still get the feeling that he's town. But I think that point outweights my townread on him, specially when I know from experience that I'm terrible at reading him. I've read up to page 6 so far. Boron seems like her town self so what the fuck. I need to read Elieson's recent posts better (and while not mad) but I also think he's town now. Not so sure about Clarinets but Refa's townread on him was good and I thought exactly the same when I saw that post. Not so sure about Randa being town because I've ISOd him in Shovel Knight Mafia and he's playing very similarly to the way he's played here (including the fact that he had a very strong D1 and then his motivation just drifted), but at the same time he feels more genuine here for some reason. I will need to check some town game he's played and think more about this. Cam/Izhuark are obvtown,no more explanations needed. These are in no way final thoughts but at least I want you to know that this is what I think now. Sorry for the terrible formatting, it's hard to think in a hurry and while the TV is on. SEE YOU LATER NERDS