Clonez Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Mia>Eddie. There are other reasons as to why (level leads, base stats, can transfer stats over, all that good stuff.) Resistance is barely a factor. And yes, having a resistance lead is situational (less magic users), while a defense lead is more constant (more melee users). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Mia>Eddie.There are other reasons as to why (level leads, base stats, can transfer stats over, all that good stuff.) Resistance is barely a factor. And yes, having a resistance lead is situational (less magic users), while a defense lead is more constant (more melee users). But more units do Def better. Surely you aim to have a balanced team, Physical Atk units with Def and Physicsl Atk units with Res. And vice versa. Glad you prefer Mia though. <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonez Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Actually, no. I aim to have an effective team. If I can solo the game with Paladins, then I will, if it works the best. Edited January 25, 2009 by Clonez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Even if Haar is getting OHKd by mages, so what? Mages get OHKd by him. Haar has superior move. You do the math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Even if Haar is getting OHKd by mages, so what? Mages get OHKd by him. Haar has superior move. You do the math. Risk =/= Reward. A Restart is failure, as you can never actually lose at this game (that's why I <3 Majora's Mask). I don't intend to lose a single unit or make a single mistake. If you just play it carelessly then you aren't appreciating the game imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Please stop being a dumbass and please learn to recognize when you've lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Please stop being a dumbass and please learn to recognize when you've lost. And here's me thinking discussions weren't about "winning" or "losing", but in fact, are about coming to an agreement. Broken Logic FTW? D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 And here's me thinking discussions weren't about "winning" or "losing", but in fact, are about coming to an agreement.Broken Logic FTW? D: They aren't. Also, Canto disagrees with your enemy phase statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonez Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Canto and Nihil. Also, he can grab a support with someone. Haar has a Wind affinity too, right? That can help his dodging ability and Thunder Magic is inaccurate, so Thunder Mages aren't much of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 And here's me thinking discussions weren't about "winning" or "losing", but in fact, are about coming to an agreement. They are about coming to an agreement. Except not when one party is blatantly wrong or misinformed. For example, coming to an agreement between "the earth is 4000 years old" and "the earth is 4.5 billion years old" is utterly ridiculous. No informed person would even concede one bit to the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 They aren't.Also, Canto disagrees with your enemy phase statement. They aren't about "winning" or "losing" or they aren't about coming to an agreement? Canto = +1 Turn, White Dragons = 30+. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! Canto and Nihil.Also, he can grab a support with someone. Haar has a Wind affinity too, right? That can help his dodging ability and Thunder Magic is inaccurate, so Thunder Mages aren't much of a problem. Help yes, but not cancel out. Isn't this supposed to be a comparison of Jill Vs Haar though? So surely she could get similar/the same help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 They are about coming to an agreement. Except not when one party is blatantly wrong or misinformed.For example, coming to an agreement between "the earth is 4000 years old" and "the earth is 4.5 billion years old" is utterly ridiculous. No informed person would even concede one bit to the former. Straw man analogy =/= the content of my argument. Also, remind me to find you a special link sometime. I'm sure I could find a group of people who'd challenge your opinion of the Earth's age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonez Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Wow do more research. Canto is the skill that lets mounted units gtfo after doing an action. Although herons will help. Like against a team of Thunder Mages (Since they were the original argument): -Haar OHKO's them. -Haar gtfo before they get a chance of getting into his range. Same goes for White Dragons. Anyways, in any event, Haar w/ Urvan will kill them. And sure give Haar and Jill Nihil. You get multiple Nihils. Anyways Haar>Jill because Haar is the best unit in multiple chapters, while Jill is only a great unit in multiple chapters. And if you disagree, I don't want to have to write a tl;dr post as to why. Edited January 25, 2009 by Clonez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) They aren't about "winning" or "losing" or they aren't about coming to an agreement?Canto = +1 Turn, White Dragons = 30+. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! These two have been adequetly answered by the other guys, but I felt like I'd throw in my fair share. Fire Emblem Debates are about proving who > who. Not agreeing who > who. You're thinking of Vigor. Edited January 25, 2009 by Beowulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Wow do more research.Canto is the skill that lets mounted units gtfo after doing an action. Although herons will help. Like against a team of Thunder Mages (Since they were the original argument): -Haar OHKO's them. -Haar gtfo before they get a chance of getting into his range. Same goes for White Dragons. Anyways, in any event, Haar w/ Urvan will kill them. And sure give Haar and Jill Nihil. You get multiple Nihils. Anyways Haar>Jill because Haar is the best unit in multiple chapters, while Jill is only a great unit in multiple chapters. And if you disagree, I don't want to have to write a tl;dr post as to why. Haven't played RD for like 8 months.... >_> I must've been thinking of Canto from PoR (I think). :/ Still, Haar will get countered and need to heal, and the teleporting Spirits tend not worry about Canto. No need for tl;dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 These two have been adequetly answered by the other guys, but I felt like I'd throw in my fair share.Fire Emblem Debates are about proving who > who. Not agreeing who > who. You're thinking of Vigor. Then Fire Emblem suck ass tbh. It's just asking to be provocational and incite Flame Wars, no? Yes, my bad, I was thinking of Vigor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Straw man analogy =/= the content of my argument.OK, fine. There is no agreement between "FK is better than DK because Shiida in my personal experience got destroyed and couldn't arena abuse blah blah blah" and "DK is better than FK because more defense and still sufficient speed to double everything in the game." The former is wrong. Just so you know, the content of your argument was that debating involved coming to an agreement. There is no straw man here. I stated that not all debates have to reach an agreement and presented an example. Also, remind me to find you a special link sometime. I'm sure I could find a group of people who'd challenge your opinion of the Earth's age. The earth is not 4000 years old. Any religious fundamentalist that believes so is ignoring heaps of nearly irrefutable evidence suggesting otherwise. I know where to find these opinions, anyway. Teens4Christ has some golden knowledge about the subject. Edited January 25, 2009 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonez Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Still, Haar will get countered and need to heal, and the teleporting Spirits tend not worry about Canto. You could say the same for Jill. Her resistance lead isn't that big. And Haar can get resistance once he caps STR/HP/SKL/DEF from BEXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Couldn't you have answered outside the quote box? So I could quote it? NVM. The Earth's age analogy = Straw Man argument. As for not all debates reaching an agreement, the vast majority of people, religious or otherwise, believe the Earth is millions of years old, so I kinda missed your point. Also, is Evolution irrefutable in your opinion? Your answer will dictate your beliefs and/or relative ignorance. @Clonez : My Jill capped everything, my Haar didn't. A few extra Res points (for Jill, given that she can cap it) means a lot, especially when Haar's Res Growth is pathetic and he'll rarely cap Res. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 @Clonez : My Jill capped everything, my Haar didn't. A few extra Res points (for Jill, given that she can cap it) means a lot, especially when Haar's Res Growth is pathetic and he'll rarely cap Res. A big PEMN to you, good sir. Also, proving that you are right =/= inciting a flame war. It may be like that when YOU try to debate, but you can see our debate section to see some actual debating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 So, Haar naturally averages out at 16 Res with 20 as a Cap. Jill naturally should cap her 22 Res with no BEXP. 6 points difference with no effort. 6 points x 3 (due to Crit Rate) = 18. Jill has better survivability on default growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 A big PEMN to you, good sir.Also, proving that you are right =/= inciting a flame war. It may be like that when YOU try to debate, but you can see our debate section to see some actual debating. PEMN? DOES.NOT.COMPUTE. Not in Urban Dictionary, no possible matches on Google (unless you mean Private Equity Market News?). (?_?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 So, Haar naturally averages out at 16 Res with 20 as a Cap. Jill naturally should cap her 22 Res with no BEXP.6 points difference with no effort. 6 points x 3 (due to Crit Rate) = 18. Jill has better survivability on default growths. Except that Haar is getting Nihil, so he's taking 12 damage extra at most, IF he's doubled. PEMN?DOES.NOT.COMPUTE. Not in Urban Dictionary, no possible matches on Google (unless you mean Private Equity Market News?). (?_?) Personal Experience Means Nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 The Earth's age analogy = Straw Man argument.No, it is not, I was providing an example to support my argument and you did not present a position that could be straw manned. As for not all debates reaching an agreement, the vast majority of people, religious or otherwise, believe the Earth is millions of years old, so I kinda missed your point. The vast majority of people that believe the earth is billions (not millions) of years old does not preclude the minority that believe the earth is 4000 years old. That such people exist makes my point valid. You did not even attempt to counter my argument; you merely stated something irrelevant and declared that I didn't make sense. Also, is Evolution irrefutable in your opinion? Your answer will dictate your beliefs and/or relative ignorance. There is overwhelming evidence of evolution's existence and role in biological systems. Seriously, please stop being a dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephidel Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Except that Haar is getting Nihil, so he's taking 12 damage extra at most, IF he's doubled.Personal Experience Means Nothing So I could potentially stick any available skill I liked on Jill and force my argument through that way? OK! Also, doesn't Nihil only negate Battle Skills? If you can use the Hammer on the BK, surely Thunder Magic is still effective against Haar? Also, Nihil doesn't negate base Magic Atk (White Dragons) Vs base Magic Res, so Haar will still get battered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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