Espinosa Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Does anybody know for how long approximately can one expect to be able to retrieve the Speed Boost Torchic with Blazekenite? I want to try him out eventually, but other fire and fighting types that have been newly introduced make me more curious, so I want to try them out in my next few playthroughs before I check out Torchic. That said, he seems about as broken as Mega Lucario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Until next January (I think it's either the 4th or the 6th) And yes, mega blaziken is even more broken than mega lucario, even though it has its weakness (talonflame/azumarrill) EDIT: It's actually until January 15th Edited November 7, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 I better hurry then lol. Also, any idea if he can be imported multiple times if you start over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Mega Blaze is.... worse than Vanilla Blaze right now. I don't know why you would run it over Vanilla who have better offense anyway. Granted I'm not a fan of Mega Lucario either If this is in game, its basically your standard Torchic deals. EDIT: If you want to test it, i'm open for trading business lol Edited November 7, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Mega Blaze is.... worse than Vanilla Blaze right now. I don't know why you would run it over Vanilla who have better offense anyway. Granted I'm not a fan of Mega Lucario either If this is in game, its basically your standard Torchic deals. EDIT: If you want to test it, i'm open for trading business lol How is it worse than vanilla blakizen? Edited November 7, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Mega Blaze is.... worse than Vanilla Blaze right now. I don't know why you would run it over Vanilla who have better offense anyway. Granted I'm not a fan of Mega Lucario either If this is in game, its basically your standard Torchic deals. EDIT: If you want to test it, i'm open for trading business lol dat extra speed though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) How is it worse than vanilla blakizen? Aside from what shadykid said dat extra speed though Blaziken goes down from being effectively Base 170 - 171 ATK into 145 ATK, a fairly common case Blaziken is also one of very few offensive pokemon that did not give a fuck about Life Orb, being resistant to Bullet Punch, which significantly extends its checkmate area unlike say.... Salamence. Even if it did not face recoil, Azumarrill is still a "FUCK YOU" to Blaziken regardless Basically if theres any Mega that comes closes into "Nearly no reason to use", its Blaziken That being said, I actually did not think Blaziken is all that broken this gen, mostly because barely anyone uses Sun anymore, unlike Gen 5 where Blaziken's SD Flare Blitz is unbearable. I dunno, this meta have been surprisingly the most balanced since Gen 4 post Salamence banning Edited November 7, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Aside from what shadykid said Blaziken goes down from being effectively Base 170 - 171 ATK into 145 ATK, a fairly common case What are you talking about? Mega blaziken base ATK is 160, and thanks to the SPD buff, running Adamant is less risky than on vanilla blaziken Either I read your post wrongly, or you got mega blaziken bases wrong. Assuming both are running adamant, Life Orb blaziken has 10 ATK more and 10DEF, 10SPDEF and 20SPD less than mega blaziken, and also takes more recoil damage. Edited November 7, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) What are you talking about? Mega blaziken base ATK is 160, and thanks to the SPD buff, running Adamant is less risk than vanilla blaziken The speed buff is not that significant 1 Turn still outruns most important target, at 390 area. 2 Turn is over Choice Scarf Garchomp, the excess speed is basically overkill And yeah, its 160. I thought Blaziken's Mega was 145 lol Either way I still did not think Blaziken is all that impressive in this meta Edited November 7, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) The speed buff is not that significant 1 Turn still outruns most important target, t 390 area. 2 Turn is over Choice Scarf Garchomp, the excess speed is basically overkill Either way I still did not think it was all that impressive Still, what did you mean with 145 base ATK? Edited November 7, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Basically if theres any Mega that comes closes into "Nearly no reason to use", its Blaziken Actually, if there is only one, it's Mega Alakazam. I didn't made the calculation, but Magic Guard alakazam is by definition far better. I'm not quite sure, but I think Mega Blaziken will have access to some move regular Speed Boost Blaziken don't have. I'd say he's slightly more usefull as Mega Medicham, as it is. I agree he's not the best, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) you mean Lucario amirite lol Pinsir, anyone remember that one getting its Mega Evolution? :lol Edited November 7, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 in-game, you don't have fast access to stuff like Choice Band and Life Orb (plus recoil is annoying) so a mega evolution is almost always better than a normal one. When I use Abomasnow ingame though, I sometimes don't mega-evolve him so that he can still outspeed, or I mega-evolve him when he goes second and I expect a more powerful Ice Shard to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I better hurry then lol. Also, any idea if he can be imported multiple times if you start over? Just get the Mystery Gift from the main menu and you can get a Blazikenite Torchic for every new playthrough. As long as you don't delete the card, you're fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 The card? Hmmm, I'll try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) you mean Lucario amirite lol Pinsir, anyone remember that one getting its Mega Evolution? :lol Fuck Mega Pinsir, that thing so crazy Aboma offense boost is kinda questionable >_> Is there a place where you can catch a fresh evolved Aboma? lol Edited November 7, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melonhead Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Is there a place where you can catch a fresh evolved Aboma? lol iirc you can get Abomasnow on the Mamoswine riding route, barring the fact that's it's crazy rare. I personally didn't use the Blaziken due to it being broken and that I already was using Fennekin AND Charmander, which was pushing the limit to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I dunno, this meta have been surprisingly the most balanced since Gen 4 post Salamence banning the metagame has not been balanced since gen 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 the metagame has not been balanced since gen 3! GSC was hardly balanced either, but it was fun to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 the metagame has not been balanced since gen 3! yeah but gen 3 was pre-physical/special split so eww (it made Jolteon more convenient in XD though!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 i don't know why people dislike the pre-physical/special split mechanics so much like i think the number one complaint is "but elemental punches don't make SENSE!" suck it up, folks. having a billion coverage options on every pokemon doesn't make for a balanced metagame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 i don't know why people dislike the pre-physical/special split mechanics so much like i think the number one complaint is "but elemental punches don't make SENSE!" suck it up, folks. having a billion coverage options on every pokemon doesn't make for a balanced metagame. elemental punches, who uses those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 i miss when people ran focus punch on alakazam to hit tyranitar on the switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 The physical/special split and the widening of coverage make sense in-game because tougher trainers now run Pokemon who can hit all sorts of weaknesses. For the competitive, it's most certainly bad, though mons prior to gen 4 had plenty of viable movesets to choose from. Look at RBY Exeggutor even for an early example, or creative uses of Alakazam in the same gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) I think the reasom many dislike the metagame before the split is because the game had less diversity. Like, a physical attack would NEVER scatch a scarmory, for example. Now, it has to be cautious about fire blitz. Also, before the split, many pokemon couldn't run stab moves, like gengar, who couldn't properly use ghost or poison moves (not that it was a big issue for him) Edited November 7, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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