Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I claim Alternative. Second of all, Nightmare softclaimed cop. So essentially, Nightmare is counterclaiming eclipse, who has a guilty on Kaoz. I'm not quite sure what to think of this. That's true, but not what I wanted exactly. I'll explain it then. Assuming everything we know about Sho to be true, Nightmare could have only gotten his result via an alliance check. Sho can't kill and is a BPV, so he couldn't have visited anyone (and even then, there were no deaths N1), so no Tracker or Watcher. Secondly, BPV isn't exactly a scum role either, so no Role Cop. That leaves the alliance cop, but if you may notice, he wasn't sure whether Sho was mafia or 3rd party. Yet eclipse was perfectly capable of claiming me to be mafia, as well as mentioning that my wincon is supposed to be red. See where I'm going with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 popcorn would taste good right now. Also. ##Unvote: Kaoz I want to see where this conversation goes before majority hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I believe some prior research is in order. From a game that was hosted not too long ago by someone familiar, no less. Blitz's logic for thinking I was suspicious was that I was defending Nightmare. I found this logged under Prims' Laws of Association By Scum from here. Here's the relevant part (Prims addressing Psych, with only a mafia JB dead, BTW): Associative tells without flips are pretty silly. If one of Levity and I die and flip town, your theory is shot instantly. From a perspective where JB is the only confirmed scum in the game, who is scum? That's why I said Blitz had terrible logic, and voted for him. It seems that I managed to rack up majority that way. Nightmare had a chance to change his initial vote of Blitz, but didn't. Furthermore, Blitz was dead at the end of D1, so I can't see how I was supposed to keep him alive. If you're talking about 13th/Rapier, it's because I wasn't fully convinced that there's two Independent BP roles, and that Rapier took his sweet time countering Sho. I'm still not fully convinced that there are two such roles, but I have a guilty in front of me right now, so rather than waste time on a hypothetical full inspect by the mafia, I'd rather have you lynched, and learn more about the mafia. Lastly, Kaoz, you forgot Name Cop. Shiro Kanzaki isn't exactly the most golden person in the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Oi, do you know who Tiger is, since you brought him into this mess? I also am guessing that you believe Eclipse is a stalker/role cop, so to speak. Your wolf theory doesn't really pan out, FMPOV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Snike, allow me time to see how this unfolds. Then I will decide to tell you what you want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 holy shit this game just this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Lastly, Kaoz, you forgot Name Cop. Shiro Kanzaki isn't exactly the most golden person in the series. Did I get something wrong here? I though you talk of me and I happen to be Yui, not Shiro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Ah, sorry. I'm getting my Kanzakis mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Lastly, Kaoz, you forgot Name Cop. Shiro Kanzaki isn't exactly the most golden person in the series. We had no idea whether how much this game is based on canon at that point, certainly not something you'd wanna out over. Oi, do you know who Tiger is, since you brought him into this mess? I also am guessing that you believe Eclipse is a stalker/role cop, so to speak. I believe I saw his name somewhere when browsing the wiki? Nothing much though. That would be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 eclipse, are you claiming Name cop and got a result on Kaoz of Shiro Kanzaki Yes Or No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm claiming ALIGNMENT cop, and got a guilty on Kaoz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 That would be correct. Actually no, I got things mixed up. I'm not sure what kind of cop she could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 ok uh That could make question asker be Nightmare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'd like to see Kaoz go into more detail about his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'd like to see Kaoz go into more detail about his role. Copier. I can target someone and under specific circumstances (don't ask me which ones exactly, I have no idea), that role is blocked and I copy it, targeting it's original user. N1 I targeted JB but it failed... target was chosen at random N2 I targeted you because I think you're the Alliance Checker or something along those lines as I pointed out before and I hoped you'd fulfill the conditions so that I could make sure... I didn't get any results from this, so I'm assuming you didn't fulfill the condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Earlier you were saying that I was some sort of Serial Killer/Inspector thing, and now you're claiming this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Earlier you were saying that I was some sort of Serial Killer/Inspector thing, and now you're claiming this? How does it contradict any of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You are not contesting my inspection result, or your own guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You are not contesting my inspection result, or your own guilt. I didn't think it was necessary for me to spell it out, but if you want. I contest your inspection result because of Nightmare's role, and following that I'm not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Your earlier theory was that I was a SK/Inspect. Nothing of what you just said matches with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Your earlier theory was that I was a SK/Inspect. Nothing of what you just said matches with that. Well, I guess I can see where you're coming from, however as you recall the reason I wanted to sub, you can surely understand that I at least wanted to try going about this a little different and have some fun with it. But if nobody else feels like it, let's go with this: You claimed Alliance Checker. Nightmare softclaimed that same ability (which you didn't cc btw). You said I'm mafia. My role pm says I'm town. I hope you can see where I'm coming from when I say that you're not allied with the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm guessing Nightmare's ability can work in conjunction to mine, but is not the same as mine (i.e. Name Checker). It would explain the sudden disinterest in Sho, once the latter claimed independent. Yes, I know why you wanted to sub, but you'll need to use better logic than that if you want to play. I guess it's just your bad luck that you're mafia and I decided to inspect you, because I figured that the only way you'd be caught is with my ability. Next time, do try to form a solid opinion on someone, and not just voice who you'd like to see lynched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm guessing Nightmare's ability can work in conjunction to mine, but is not the same as mine (i.e. Name Checker). It would explain the sudden disinterest in Sho, once the latter claimed independent. I already explained why Name Checker wouldn't work. And it doesn't explain the disinterest at all. While we're waiting for Nightmare, may I ask you a few questions though? 1. What independent would I screw over with THAT? 2. You said you'd have a good idea who was mafia, assuming I flipped mafia... who would that be and why? I guess I can't really expect you to answer (2), but (1) shouldn't be a problem, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 1. If I see a full inspect from the mafia, and at least one other person who dies that's not a Kamen Rider, it makes Sho look really bad. Snike pointed out why independent BPs and vigs should exist together here, and I agree with his logic. Rapier already proved his role by being the D2 lynch. I see no kills on N1 and one on N2, which makes me think that there is no vig. Therefore, while it is possible that there are two independent BPs with no vig, that's either bad game design, or Sho is lying. I don't have enough evidence for this yet, but I will keep this in mind. 2. I think this day's arguments should provide plenty of data for that! 3. Hi Nightmare, I see you in the topic. Your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Waitwaitwait, I am lost already. Eclipse claims Alliance Checker, and Nightmare softclaims it? Before I make a vote, someone quote Nightmare's softclaim please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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