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benching Gregor is not a good idea just saying...

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Actually I am curious, you seem to act like Sumia x Chrom is the pairing. Can I know the reasons why?

I almost always do Chrom x Olivia in my other playthrough but at the end (Apotheosis) Olivia will always be a dancer... then I pair Sumia with Chrom though they only have A-support lol so for a little change I think I might do Chrom x Sumia this time.

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after some thought, I rearrange some of my planned pairing and just completed chapter 4 on Lunatic classic so here is the new pairing I have in mind:

Chrom x Sumia

Ricken x Lissa

Virion x Maribelle --never done this before but with Virion's hair color Brady will be more CO0L I guess xD

Donnel x Tharja --never done this before because I usually do Donnel!Kjelle and Gaius!Noire

Lon'qu x Cordelia

Stahl x Panne

Henry x Cherche

Libra/Frederick? x Olivia --I don't know which best for him...help me decide

Gregor x Miriel

Vaike x Nowi

Gaius x Sully --same reason with Donnel x Tharja

Robin (+Mag/-Def) x Lucina

Owain x MorganF

Laurent x Cynthia

Gerome x Kjelle

Yarne x Severa

Inigo x Nah

Brady x Noire

so what do guys think with said pairing above?

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Forget procs (do nothing in the back) and self-healing skills (do nothing in the back, and you should use staffbots for healing anyway), all Yarne truly wants is a +Hit skill. Virion is so much better than those other two it's not even funny.

For the main game you should just grab Lucina, Cynthia, Laurent and Morgan (and maybe Nah if you want to be greedy). Get the rest caught up with DLC.

I see... so maybe finally I will use Virion in my game xD

What if I switch:

Virion x Maribelle

Lon'qu x Severa

Stahl x Panne

and the kids:

Owain x Cynthia

Brady x Nah

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Need suggestion for male Robin playthrough on Lunatic classic and Apotheosis secret path...

I'm doing +Mag/-Def avatar for him and here is the pairing I have in mind:

Chrom x Sumia

Ricken x Lissa

Lon'qu x Maribelle

Gaius x Tharja

Stahl x Cordelia

Henry x Cherche

Libra x Olivia

Gregor x Miriel

Vaike x Nowi

Donnel x Sully

Frederick/Kellam/Virion x Panne -- I'm kinda into Fred!Yarne since he gives him Luna,DG+ and Lance/Swordbreaker though he doesn't give any selfhealing skills like Kellam (Renewal) or Virion (Lifetaker).

Robin (+Mag/-Def) x Lucina

Laurent x MorganF

Owain x Nah

Yarne x Kjelle

Gerome x Noire

Inigo x Severa

Brady x Cynthia

I'm also not too sure with the 2nd gen pairing so any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thank you!

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Lethality > Aether > Astra > Sol > Luna > Ignis > Vengeance

Since you can only proc one, stacking effectively lowers the chance of the a proc down the line in addition to vanilla.

If you have 80 Skl stacking Luna and Ignis, you get 80% Luna and 20% Not!Luna. From the remaining 20%, you have a Skl% chance to proc Ignis, so you have 80% of 20% remaining--that's 16%. Totaled you get 80% Luna, 16% Ignis, and 4% Vanilla. Ignis gets shafted 64% from its promised proc, but you diluted vanilla by 1/5 of it's value with just Luna or just Ignis.

oh I see that's how it is.. Thank you for clearing it up!

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Astra I don't believe activates Pavise/Aegis on all hits, it just rerolls the activation chance on each hit. It can be a deadly skill if you have high amounts of Attack though, and because you usually will thanks to all the stat bonuses you can emass on a single unit... well yeah. Brave Weapons/Celica's Gale will make the attack all the deadlier since that can lead to a maximum of 4 Astras, aka 20 attacks that deal half of the damage a normal attack would have done, not counting the attacks a Pair Up unit would do.

Luna is just deadly all around.

Luna does have the higher activation rate, yes... But what you care about isn't activating a skill, it's not not activating a skill. If that doesn't make sense, think about it this way:

Say you've got a unit with 80 Skl (a reasonable upper target for a lead). If you give them just Luna, they'll have an 80% chance of using Luna, and a 20% chance of doing nothing. But if you add Astra on top of that, you've got a 40% chance of using Astra and a 48% chance of using Luna- and only a 12% chance of using nothing. Just like that, you've nearly halved your odds of doing nothing (if you could run both Luna and Ignis instead, you'd only have a 4% chance of doing nothing!). Luna does a lot of damage, Astra does a huge amount of damage, but nothing isn't very impressive so your primary focus should be on avoiding doing nothing. If you want more, I can do some damage calcs and show the average damage increase between Luna/Astra and just Luna (hint: it's higher than you think it is).

The presence of PavGis doesn't actually change which or Luna or Astra will do better, by the way. Since they halve damage, think of them instead as doubling the enemy's HP and having no effect on damage dealt.

How is the skill activation rate counted exactly? Well I rarely use procstacking cause I think it's kinda hinder the performance of that unit if the skill that activate during battle is the other one that I don't really hope for but after reading these I think it's good if it's kinda lower the chance of activate nothing lol

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Luna and PavGis don't do anything in the back, which is where Gerome will stay because he's a hard support (Agg+Braves has twice the effect in the back, so since he doesn't have Galeforce he'll never want to lead). DG+ isn't very useful because you'll want to bring a lot of staff support into Apo and that'll do a much better job of keeping you alive, and +2 Str pales in comparison to a Faire, of which Fred!Gerome has none.

Virion!Gerome would be preferrable; he can use Warrior with Bowfaire/Hit+20 to great effect (he'll have the same damage output as Fred!Gerome@General's Brave Axes, but with about 40 more Hit (assuming you use Prescience as well), no Weapon Triangle worries and +2 more Str for his pairup boost). As for the others...

Overall, your team will get through. Remember to use tonics on everyone before going in (especially Spd/Atk), forge your Braves, and bring all the Rallies spread across two (preferably flying) Rallybots. The only area of concern I see is that you have none of the five top-tier girls (5+ Spd Morgan-F, sibling Lucina/Cynthia, Gaius!Kjelle, and Lon'qu/Virion!Severa), which might give you trouble with some of the bosses. If you have Snipers, you could get somewhere with them, and none of your units will lose encounters to being doubled (Braves don't count, never be attacked by Snipers with Brave Bows), but you'll still need to be careful.

The best way to get around this is probably just to bring Chrom and Olivia into the action, with her as a Dark Flier (LB, GF and anything else) and him as a Bow Knight (LB/Agg/BF/DSt+/Hit+20), they can destroy anything and everything, guaranteed. You could also get Gaius onto Kjelle and run her as a Paladin (LB/GF/Faire/Astra/Luna) with a Berserker Virion!Yarne support, which works without All+2 but would give you problems with Noire since she'd either be bad or require a Galeboy support as a result. Obtaining a Virion!Severa would be very easy since Stahl and Virion are interchangeable dads on hard supports, but she requires All+2 to work her magic.

Thank you for the suggestion! Oh and my avatar will run +Mag, -Def. I see you like to procstacking Luna and Astra.. I know Astra is a good skill but I think Luna has higher activation rate and can do good damage as well even on enemies with PavGis than Astra.

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That's the only real problem pair, Gerome will be borderline useless and you may want to consider benching him. I'll do classes/skillsets in the morning.

Will you be grinding, or are you trying to use these to get through the main story as well?

well the only possible fathers left for him are Libra or Virion which I think isn't any better than Freddy that gives him Luna, DG+, PavGis and +2 Str mod.

I don't mind grinding and I think I want to use them as soon as their paralogue is available.

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I'm playing on Lunatic and plan to do Apotheosis secret path, here is my pairing; any help and suggestion will be appreciated:

Chrom x Olivia

Ricken x Lissa

Lon'qu x Maribelle

Donnel x Sully

Henry x Sumia

Stahl x Cordelia

Frederick x Cherche

Kellam x Panne

Gaius x Tharja

Gregor x Miriel

Vaike x Nowi

Owain x Robin (F)

Morgan(M) x Lucina

Inigo x Severa

Brady x Noire

Gerome x Kjelle

Laurent x Cynthia

Yarne x Nah

I also want to know good class and skillset for them, I have all DLC skills except All+2 and Iote's Shield.