Fenrir

oh yes of course its just that with all the bexp talks i thought itd be harder but i guess if you xp farm...

well for part 1 there are plenty of characters better than zihark, tauroneo, naihlah, BK, maurim, and tormod comes close. but in 3-6 and 3-13 there is just not that many other characters to use and nolan is helpful; however, zihark on the other hand isnt helpful.

lmao. btw did you do all of this in HM or EM?

ok, you didnt say any i get the point. i was just saying you dont have to use either of them, and ikes team is stronger so a stronger character is less needed.

ok, do a playthrough an entire playthrough without using ike at all and sell your hammers immidiantly, also on 1-9 dont use the BK whatsoever and dont use miciah at all before then. can you do that?

3-3 is the only chapter hes really quite extremely helpful but after that i can do without him, ive done an entire PT(and it was my first XP) without haar, while you can use jill very little also and she takes a little bit of babying or a seraph robe + energy drop, theres no one better to give these items too. IMO. and then part 4, jill wont be your best but she'll most likely be 2nd or 3rd on hawk army and 2-4 on silver. haar however isnt too good in part 4 and is little help on endgame. first off id say nolan is much better, early pt 1 is very IMpossible without nolan and zihark is helpful but not full necessary you have tauroneo + maurim and co and nolans part 3 and 4 are also better IMO, i dont know about endgame though. Jill vs zihark however is jill coming in at 1st tier lvl 14 zihark at 2nd tier lvl 3, zihark is better but gets almost no xp jill gets plenty and is the only DB flyer is zihark the only great offensivly but terrible def and hp on DB? not even in his own class, and then you have sothe. as for part 3 jill is much better and is probably better for part 4 and endgame.

so it would be a good idea to not let laura die...but anyways thanks for the help, and thinking about jill made me think, why is haar so much higher on tiers and shit when jill is more important to her team and has better P4 and endgame stats?

thanks alot for the advice, but a question about it, is laura necessesary, or can you just have sothe eat vulneries? and i was playing part 3 and got seraph robe at 3-1 just wanted to know anyones thoughts on this cause normally i give it to soren but im not using him this round.

so what 3-6 tactics did you use? becuase ive goten people like 5-7 levels their maybye but 16 sounds awesome tbh

Do most of yall kill ike on 3-13 or just sit back and play defense? and since Ike is so powerful do you just dump all your speedwings energy drops etc. on jill or someone like that? another question i have is, do you find it necessary to give jill an energy drop or just forge her iron weapon, i did both on my current PT

yeah i've done that because i don't know what to do with them sometimes but, is that really helpful at all? give your level 15 neph who is one a away from capping str an energy drop? its just not that helpful.

yes i see your point, you can help out a couple characters who will get a lot of levels or help out a character who wont level much and turn him into a complete god and that is pretty fun thing to do. also i saw people talking about pass, i like using it on shinnon with his provoke, this can be really dumb to keep provoke on shinnon and could hurt your turn count but makes sure no other bad units take attacks, and with pass he cannot be trapt in.

i would disagree, boyd can double almost anything(almost b/c of swordmasters) without bexp abuse even in HM, on my current playthrough i gave him speedwing, he was doubling some stuff a couple chapters after i gave it to him on which was at 3-11 he was classchanged by part 4, 28 speed, enough to double anything but swordmasters that was the same as haar's who had 28 WITH a speedwing however he got some awful levels two in a row of only luck. but anyways boyd and mia took out the whole bottom of 4-2 and boyd got up to level 5 and 31 speed(you could call this abuse but hell i got neph to lvl 9 from 1 in 4-P.) so by then he could double cats in 4-5 he got a speed or two, now im on 4-E-3, he double everything he attacked save the swordmasters who he hit 43 on(47 hp -.-) and collosused a couple, so i would say Boyd is a great character to give speedwing to. i would call him the best player phase beorc character in the game with one.

first off i wanna say thanks for making this thread cause i was just thinking today why do i get all these stat boosters and i dont even know what to do with them, i often hord them all till 4-E and give them to people who dont really need them. but i've got a question, is it in order of who to give it to that you get most out of, like you have Nolan THEN miciah for leos dracoshield so does that mean nolan is better cantidate for it? and if thats the case for the energy drop i would say edward needs it much more than volug, because edward is such a hard character to use on HM he at least needs a couple more str and a steel sword so it has double use like you said, and i would also say jill could use it more, since all volug gets out of it is ability to OHKO fire mages, which someone else, like jill, can take out for him. however that is only if your using jill/eddy

thats the best wiki edit ive ever seen

dude that happened to me like a billion times on EM first time i played game i swear i did that stage like 5-7 times

thanks for the information ok, so nephenee DOES have good crit... you've proven me wrong

thats a funny question because i always wonder this myself. shes such a tank though i normally take it off her miciah would be amazing with it, and i guess soren would be too, but i've actaully used it on Ike once, in Pt 3, and with his earth affinity it was pretty nice. EDIT: wraths description is confusing to me, does it multiply critcal by 50% or does it add 50% to critical?

is that with or without a forged weapon? the 31% that is, cause it never seems like my neph get a crit more than 10% of the time when shes 2nd tier. with steel greatlance.

I almost always will use master crown when unit reaches level 20 if i have one availible. im not an expert on when otherwise unless you see you have everything you want capped, capped

that would be awesome. ok well i was basing my point off of just the opposite because i find part 3 easiest part of game, aside from CRK and DB stages. i completely forgot adept was speed :o im playing this game for the first time in like 6 months so ive forgoten some things...hmm i see you point and i wouldnt necessarily disagree, mia is much more suited for adept than boyd and thats why she has it on my current PT, not to mention i love adept + vantage. boyd has like 4 less skill which is 2 critical(someone correct me if im wrong please) and you can also forge boyd a weapon. What what what? Do I detect hypocrisy? Because you're doing the same thing. You're claiming that Boyd makes good use of Adept, but where's your proof? are u actually saying what i said in my statment was my point, because i was making fun of you for saying boyd sucks with adept, i just like it with him because he doesnt double but it makes him able to double(kinda) its totally preference. narga's post clearly shows the logical choice is to put adept on a doubling person, i just dont find it as intriguing sometimes so occasianly(not all the time) i will put adept on boyd and not neph b/c she is fine without it.

quick crowning gatrie, why do i never do this? one thing about your first paragraph, nephenee doesnt have the high critical so she would rely souly on adept,which boyd could also do. Haar and titan are closer to doubling yes and have more mobility, but i dont think its necessary to give them speedwings, titan starts so close to class change its almost worthless IMO, and haar can often pull it off without speedwing. but if one(or both) gets speed screwed they are better all around characters so if you perfer a well-rounded character, well dont even use boyd in the first place. Boyd needs one speedwing and he'll magically double!!! you're telling me no? i wouldve never guessed all boyd needed was one speedwing.(that was sarcasm, cant expect you to know after saying something like that) he wont double the whole 2nd tier(excluding armours mages and slow horsies) but what a speedwing does is, puts him at a speed level to double in the 3rd tier. he does make good use of adept im gonna expect you to somehow know this and provide nothing to support this statment, alright?[again i love your points] doubling armours is nice when many units cannot hit more than 20 on an armour combined on their double, mia or neph? i think mia only hit double 8s on an armour when i was playing 3-11 she was level 18 tier 2

I would honestly love to see elincia kill ahsera, but i think its just fine ike is the only one able too, but it would be cool if like 5 people could kill asheraand there was a diff cutscene for each. as to Titan, you say shes broken but think about it, she is rendered(somewhat) useless on 3-4 and 3-7 because of horses' inability to go up gaps or, for some odd reason inability cross water. and she has to pay for horseslayers and her stats, their nothing compared to say, haar's, another thing too is horse's only move 7 indoors which takes away from her class, for instance nephenee has better stats but cant canto or move 9 but when titan only moves 7 neph IMO becomes better and there are many gaps on indoor stage also. maybye its my ignorrance but i fail to see your arguement,ive got a PT going right now, im using boyd, gatrie, neph, soren and mia.(aton of others but they're fresh on my mind)most of the time they cannot one round someone until third tier, unless they critical or mia gets her adept, but for 3rd tier, could boyd be the best? if you gave him a speedwing i think offensivly he is, doubling + 154645545 per hit = dead enemy. yes he needs a speedwing, but aside from miciah not many other characters need it, so to me it makes him a dominant characterand you get most speedwings absolutely free.(killing enemies looting chests etc) while i agree boyd gets colusus a ton Urvan is avalible only for endgame where many opponents have nihil. and to anyone hating on boyds speed, give him adept and with that and colusus he gets one of them like half the time which means half the time he 1RKO's and if you put some bexp into him he can double mages armour and some horses. Shinnon doesnt need Avo but it makes him invinceable, I've never tried him with rhys since i've never really tried rhys =p i might try that sometime though.

if boyd isnt special, who do you consider "special", having the highest strength cap(beorc) and having the ability to use the mightiest weapon with that is "special" to me

yeah i always use boyd, unless like 5 people attack him when he falls in a hole on 3-11 he does fine, and boyd + urvan = rape, i like supporting him with oscar for avoid or mia for hit. i think shinnon is crazy, if he has a thunder, dark or wind support its 15 more to his already massive avoid, and the provoke is just hilarious because every enemy will attack him because he cannot counter, this draws in all the enemies to you and lets other units take them down for xp personally i love using shinnon and i guess he isnt to nerfed with double bow, but if you make him a forged silver bow and get a might bonus it makes him pretty unstoppable