Etrurian emperor
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To me Tellius story is the highlight of Fire emblem storytelling. The main draw are the characters of course but the stories are at least decent or even good.
I think the great strength of Tellius is its worldbuilding. Goldoa and the birds aside we learn more about the nations of Tellius then any other Fire emblem. We know their cultures, their outlook, their politics and a decent amount of locations. And the countries actually do behave like countries. So far Tellius is the most detailed continent by far.
Path of radiance was very traditional and didn't really make any mistake in its plot. It wasn't original but it was competent and had a believable escalation of events, an interesting cast of characters and good villains. To me that's a successful plot.
Radiant dawn got to big for its bridges at times though I find it easier to respect then to dislike something that falls short thanks to bigger ambitions. They had some pretty nice, hateable villains though.
Part one was an interesting, if not mind blowing resistance plot.
Part two was actually a pretty impressive, if self contained piece of political drama. Story wise I actually like the second part the best.
Part three got into trouble thanks to its ambition. They wanted an epic world war and two opposing playable factions but the blood pact required to make that happen wasn't exactly ideal.
I never really liked part four. On the whole I tend to dislike the whole ''Chaos=good, order=bad'' kind of stories.
So overall I'm quite fond of the Tellius story though there is one thing that never sat well with it. The whole theme of the story is that the two races are equal and should just understand each other, but that message is underminded by the plot supporting the Laguz to such an extend it would make even Hoshido blush.
Every reason for the bad relation between the races can be traced back to the Beorc while the Laguz are their noble victims. There are no beorc lynching squads with the Laguz, no Laguz experimenting on humans, no evil Laguz noble, no Laguz warhawks and etcetera. The closet thing to a villainous Laguz is just blackmailed by a Beorc and the rare unpleasant Laguz like Lethe or that palace guards can be deemed fully justified when a whole continent ranging from Crimean townfolk, Daein soldiers and Begnion senators all want to eat baby Laguz for breakfast.
When the message is one of tolerance its actually insincere when you spend so much time making one race just so much better then the other and if you base yourself on that message its a big weakness.
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Oof. If I want to include all the cast's that's rather challenging. Lets try.
1: Arvis
2: Pent
3: Nergal
4: Azel
5: Niime
6: Tauroneo
7: Male Morgan
8: Tormod
9: Hector
10: Jill
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I keep thinking that anyone who realistically expects more than 40 characters is kind of looney
Why thank you :D Like I said, if they don't want a dull all lord cast lots of characters are needed. If the move sets aren't to ambitious it can be done. I'd say copy past the hell out of those moves if it means we can have a big cast.
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Surely neither of them are as bad as FE12!Avatar (I forget his name)? But I haven't played Fates, so...
Well, the thing is that no one really expected much from Chris. The black knight on the other hand was very iconic and the games hyped him up a great deal. Its more disappointing if such a character falls flat at the last moment because you actually cared.
I sadly, seem to have missed the whole conversation about the black knight but I would consider myself one who lost respect for the character. I have a hard time seeing how killing someone just to see whether you could or not is anything other then murder. I don't really buy that it was accidental either because nothing in the black Knight indication he regretted anything other then the ease of it.
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A Fire Emblem Warriors is no longer the fringe idea it once was. Koei has shown they want to expand their formula and Nintendo has shown an uncharacteristic willingness to let Koei handle franchises like Pokemon or Zelda.
Its not an uncommon idea with fans either. A recent official poll showed that Fire Emblem was either second or third place as the game series Koei fans wanted to get the Hyrule Warriors treatment. That's not to say its going to happen but the idea is at least possible and known to both Koei and Nintendo.
So just for fun I thought I'd ask the Fire emblem fans how they would handle such a crossover and what they would like to see. A big part of this would of course be who you think should make it into the game.
My own suggestion would probably raise some eyebrows in the Warriors crowd, but my main suggestion would be to take in the old Dynasty Warriors tradition of shared movesets. I think that is the only way to include a large cast and a large cast is vital for any Fire emblem crossover. If the cast is small then you will only get the lords who share many similarities. That would get rather dull.
I'd say that each class gets its own moveset and that a character in that class is more a cosmetic and personal thing. Jill and Vaida would in essence both share the same Wyvren moveset though with stats making for subtle difference in play style. What would set these characters apart is that each of them would get a special gimmick in line with their history and personality. Vaida would be able to draw on Nergal's power for brief periods of invincibility, Lugh could heal allies with his often shared ''baked tarts'' and Janaf could see through fog of war.
Some characters would get their own moves though. Arvis is a rare example of an armored mage and he wields a spell that basically functions as an Arial nuke so there is enough material to give him one. The black knight would be to iconic not to give his own moves and the Smash lords can use their Smash appearance to draw inspiration from. Such an approach could serve to differentiate mayor and minor characters and making a large cast viable.
I would like a cast to draw from all of Fire emblem. Its very likely any crossover would just focus on Akenaia and Awakening, as the most recent crossover already did but I find that a worst case scenario. Both settings have had their time in the sun already and one of them has a dull, ill developed cast while the other cast is rather controversial. Elibe, Tellius and especially Jugdral need more attention.
For fun and because I have way to much free time on my hand I once drew out a potential Warriors cast. I'm rather pleased with it :D
Akanaia
Marth: The main character that started it all. Marth is still the face of the series so he would naturally be there
Caeda: Probably one of the most baddass female leads in the series. Her wingspear could lead to a special gimick when it comes to fighting certain types of enemies.
Hardin: He's said to be a great general so he's right at home in a game about battlefields. He's also one of the only akaneian's with a personality, has both the paladin and emperor class to draw inspiration from and has an awesome turban.
Ogma and Nabarl: Both are the direct inspiration for unit types that became staples of the series.
Cain and Abel: Its fire emblem so you can't really go around the red and green Cavalry.
Minerva: Pretty obvious choice. First of the archtype but with enough flair not to feel outdated in front of her newer counterparts.
The Pegasus sisters: The three are somewhat akin to the Awakening trio in that their are clear developer favorites. They made it into every game in their setting so it would be weird if they were absent in a mass crossover.
Camus: Or rather THE Camus. He's probably the best example of the archtype and doesn't share the complete stupidity of his successor Eldigan. His presence also gives Hardin a clear rival.
Gharnef: I never liked or felt impressed by Gharnef but with Medeus always being MIA until the final chapter its Gharnef who best embodies the villains of Akaneia.
Gimmick: Broken dark sphere: Having Gharnef always invincible to anything but starlight would be broken so instead he could trade extended periods of invincibility for health(or something else) As a trade off he would have weak stats.
Jugdral: Gen one
Sigurd: The poor guy has been ignored ever since his game ended. I don't think its fair to ignore Sigurd when he's popular, very powerful and a lord. He may also be the lord who qualifies as a general the most. His main flaw seemed to be that he was a general first and politician second.
Arvis: One of the more interesting villains of the series. Arvis is probably the villain who deserves some western attention the most. Being a rare case of an armored mage and wielding a spell that somewhat resembles a nuke Arvis has all the potential for a very interesting moveset. It also gives them the chance to turn Arvis back into the better sounding Alvis.
Cuan: Arguably one of the more prominent characters and a holy weapon wielder.
Levin: Ced was a complete game breaker and a fondly remembered unit. Ced was also very dull. Levin is a whole lot more interesting and wields the tome that's part of the reason why Ced is such a good character. Its likely he would find a buddy in Inigo.
Fin: Being in two games and two generations makes Fin an obvious choice.
Azel: This is partly favoritism since Azel is one of my favorite characters but I also firmly believe that Arvis doesn't reach his full intentional as a character without the troubled relation with his little brother. It also gives Azel a chance to give his perspective on Arvis wrongdoings.
Ira: One of the more popular Jugdral characters and the swordmaster many future female swordmasters would be based on.
Jugdral gen two
Seliph: If Awakening is anything to go by then IS sees Seliph as a better representative then his father. I'm a bit on the fence on this one though. I get why Seliph would be a better lord but aside from some extra shyness its hard to see what Seliph brings to the table that Marth does not.
Shanan: Throughout all the fire emblem games I'm hard pressed to find a more baddass and consistently useful unit then Shanan. That alone should grant him a spot. If there's a ''Lu Bu'' on the good side I'd say Shanan has a good chance of being that.
Julia: One of the first light magic users and not a complete trainwreck like her mother.
Ares: All that was good about his father with none of the idiocy. He goes by the nickname of black knight which would make him a great rival of...well, the black night. The mystolin could give him a gimmick about being great against mages.
Julius: With his big evil dragon snake god its not to hard to imagine a movesett for him. This prince would also have some nice interaction with Lyon, that other prince with weak health and a demon inside him.
Tracia:
Leif: Its hard to ignore the lord and Leif can bring things to the table that other lords can't. He could be given Tracia's signature Capture skill to capture enemy units for gold and weapons. Other mechanics from Tracia can also be given to him.
Nanna: I think she's the most relevant troubadour since she's the main heroine and all. She can also serve as a good rep for the healers because she can fight as well.
Marreeta: Maybe.
Bridgett/Eyvel : A baddass pirate captain with one of the strongest bows in the series. If you combine her with her identity in Tracia then she could wield both a sword and a bow.
Fin: Being in two games and two generations makes Fin an obvious choice.
Saias: One of the more interesting characters in Tracia and the son of Arvis. Him being a strategist could land him into the ''Zhuge Liang'' archtype.
Travant: As with Arvis Travant is a well developed villain many people praise, some even more so then Arvis so he too deserves some screentime in the west. Being a vile king of a poor country who's flying units often serve as mercenaries he's also very similar to Raven king Neasella. The two would no doubt bond over their shared villainy.
I'm not even going to try and pick a second villain. Not even the Awakening villains reach so low as Veld and Reidrich.
Sword of seals
Roy: The best lord example of strategist first, frontline fighter second. Roy could be the lord's main tactician after Robin.
Liliana: Seems obvious right? Mage, love interest and daughter of Hector.
Wolt: With his close friendship to Roy I'd say Wolt is a more personable representative of the Gordin archtype.
Lugh and Ray: The twins did very well on the official popularity contest so either one could serve as the token shota. Its just that you can't have one without the other so I'm putting down both.
Gimick: Baked tarts: Lugh could use those baked tarts he always get to heal his allies like the good boy he is. Ray would use the same baked Tarts lugh would no doubt give him...to hog them so he can get some extra healing items for himself.
Niime: Whatever you may think of her its without a doubt that the elderly and very rude master of dark magic is a one of a kind character in the fire Emblem cast. It would be a waste not to include her. Niime is guaranteed to have some good lines towards other characters.
Karel: Karel appears in both games so he's a pretty good Elibe representative. Depending on whether he's being the sword demon or sword saint he could also switch between team hero and villain.
Narshen: He is strong. He is wise. He is lovely. And most importantly, He is right! ...HE! No one else!
Zephiel: The main villain so yeah. I kinda imagine villains like Gangrel would tease him a whole lot over his daddy issue's and resulting temper tantrum. I suppose his whole philosophy would rather clash with Ashnard's.
Blazing sword:
Hector: We already have Roy so I find Hector to be the better choice for a FE7 lord and he's also far, far more popular then Eliwood. Everyone seems to like Hector.
Lyn: One of the first female lords and through appearance and moves she stands out among them.
Marcus: Same with Wolt. He's a more personable clone of his respective archtype and in the case of Marcus we can safely say he's liked far better then Jagen.
Oswin: I don't think there is anyone who does not think he's the best armor knight in the series.
Pent: Pent is already said to be a general and I always found him a great unit. He can both destroy enemies and heal like the best.
Lucius: The best example of the fire emblem trap and probably the most well know light mage.
Vaida: Like Niime she's a clear stand out between the rest of the cast.
gimmick: Vaida could draw on Nergal's power for brief periods of very, very heightened stats.
Nino: Nino got enough fans and story relevance to warrant it.
Lloyd and Linus: Two Camusus who aren't paladins. They are also well liked and though bosses.
Sonia: Unlike her fellow morph's Sonia is a more personal villain and is hateable enough to be added. If someone from the FE4 cast needs an enemy like Hilda then her modern counterpart could fill the role.
Nergal: The main villain so yeah. Along with dark magic his summoned morph bosses could also be part of his moveset.
Sacred Stones:
Erika
Ephraim
Seth
L'archel: Out of all the characters I think I would appreciate more screentime for her the most.
Valter and Cealeach: When people talk about Sacred Stones having good villains I suspect they mean these two. And I agree! They should be added.
Lyon: Because main villain. There are also at least two other people he could converse with about renting your body out to demons.
Gimmick: When thinking of a moveset Zant's ''stress'' meter comes to mind. Like how Zants stress meter fills with every attack. Lyon could start weak and end up getting progressively more powerful, being taken over with every spell he cast as his '''possession bar'' fills. When the ''possession'' bar is full Lyon can do a special attack that represses Fortumis once its done. If you press it to late Lyon gets possessed and its game over.
Por:
Ike
Soren
Titania
Ranulf: Aside from the obvious trio above and Elincia he's the closest to being one of the main characters.
Elincia
Lethe: People like catgirls and people like Lethe so she's an obvious one.
Janaff: Ditto for Janeff. People like birdboys(probably less so then catgirls) and people like Janaff(but probably a whole lot less then Lethe). He could represent the bird Laguz.
Tauroneo: He's not the first but he IS the best of the Lorenz archtype. He's the most fleshed out, has plenty of reason to talk to Ike and the black knight alike and is established as a war veteran.
Bastian: Radiant dawn spends some time hyping him up as this great strategist. A warriors game would be a good time to put that to the test. Wielding a knife would also help differentiate him from the other mages.
Nasir: He's a plot relevant white dragon who's also a pretty great unit.
Tibarn: At least one Laguz royal should be playable and with the Lion King often being MIA its Tibarn who's the best for the role.
Naesala: I'm not sure but I think he's the most popular of the Laguz royals. The Raven king could, as always spend his time flip flopping between heroes and villains throughout the story and as I said before he'd be likely to buddy up to Travant.
Petrine
The black knight: Of course. The best candidate for the ''Lu Bu'' of the game.
Ashnard: Even if he wasn't the villain he'd still wield a gigantic sword and ride a dragon. That's got to make a great moveset.
Oliver: Its a tradition in the warrior games that there's a joke chapter where characters fight over who is the most beautiful. With Oliver we always have a clear winner.
Dawn
Michaia
Sothe
Lekain
Izuka: Mostly because it would be funny. He could fight by summoning Laguz
Gimmick: Feral drug: Can convert any (non royal) Laguz unit with his feral drug.
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Awakening:
Chrom
Lucina
Lisa: With an axe!
Frederik: So every fire emblem unit can pick a god and pray!
Tharja: No matter what one thinks of her Tharja is one of the most often talked about character in the game and has a large following.
Cordelia: Same reason as Tharja.
Henry: Universally liked, funny and a decent dark mage. It would be a mistake if Henry wouldn't be included.
Morgan: Slight preference to the male one.
Inigo and Owain: You can't really go around these two anymore. They are likely to be what the pegasus sisters are for Akaneia. Severa's future role is a bit more uncertain since she's fairly controversial in the west.
Robin/Grima
Gangrel: Of all the second rate Awakening villains he is the least disliked and some people even praise him.
Fates:
Just put in Corrin, Azura, Garon and a good chunk of the siblings and call it a day.
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I'm in the same boat in that I'm from the Netherlands where we are also good boys who learn our English and thus get our games in that langues. That does make things so much harder. There's hardly any extra work for a Dutch or UK release so they might as well just do it.
The uncertainty is what annoys me most. It could be we just have to wait two month's, its equally possible we have to wait half a year or more. Even if we get the worst case scenario confirmed then at least we know. At this moment we know nothing while America gets their game.
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I'm pleased with how Kisaragi remained the same. I think Takumi named his son after his father, Sumeragi which is kinda cute.
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How old would you guys say Kana is?
I'd say 12-13 maybe. He/she looks younger then Morgan was.
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Oh. I got another opinion. Manfroy is a good villain. He's intelligent, ambitious, manipulative and crafty. People give him a lot of flack for his motivations but I think the scenes he has with Alvis and the scene in the Yied Shrine show very well that he and the rest of the Lopt Sect have suffered a lot of persecution and propaganda to become the way they are. Not the best villian in Holy War by any measure (because he has a lot of competition there) but better, imo, than the likes of Riev and Negarl.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion actually. All hear about Manfroy are praises about how much of an effective villain he is...before he went senile in the last chapter at least.
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My opinion of a dimension aging the children rapidly is that it's odd but it's a fantasy RPG the genre exists for worlds that allow unrealistic and out of the ordinary events. One of the most highly regarded JRPGs has a very similar plot point to age one its characters.
That is an opinion I myself might have held if I believed the children belonged in the game. That does not seem to be the case. The late reveal, the incredible awkward way its handled and the complete lack of the children in the plot makes me believe it was a very late addition with no further ambition then to stay in Awakenings comfortable shadow.
I'l admit I never thought about the mechanical implementation. I don't think it would be a deal breaker if a player gets plenty of information about there being a second generation and if the way to pair characters up won't be to clunky.
What makes me think time skips are the way to go is that the explanations for having teenagers have children (or children having teenagers) are finite. Time travel explained the second gen in Awakening well enough but you can't pull that in ever game. The hyperbolic time chamber explains the situation too I guess but the reception of that explanation has been very negative and it doesn't combine well with any aspect of Fates plots, which in turn leads to the second gen being wholly detached from the story. I think its a sign that we are already seeing how IS is running out of explanations for having absurdly young parents.
Its fun to pair characters up, being a parent does bring out different sides of a character and I find Fates children to be very well done. I can see the logic of a fun little feature being optional to be completed at ones leisure but if its optional then it means the second generation can possibly be detached from the story and even weaken that story thanks to the justifications it has to provide. I find such an outcome unsatisfying and detrimental to the kids themselves. I think the feature would only truly work if its tied into the story and if the kids are a true part of that story.
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I hope the next Fire Emblem would have time skips incorporated into the story. I'd love to see the characters we start off with get older, changing their stats (ex. Not as fast as they used to be or have gotten stronger), or perhaps some even choosing to not fight anymore, thereby requiring to carry on with the children. Sounds lovely to me.
I think a time skip would be an ideal way to handle the children, probably even the only way since you can only do time shenanigans for so long until you can't take the teenage parents seriously any longer.
However I think the current route Fire emblem is taking prevents a time skip from taking place. When pairing characters up it helps if those characters are attractive and I don't see it as a coincidence that the characters above 30 started to come in very short supply after the pairing feature became big in Awakening. A time skip would require you to age characters up which in turn makes a ''waifu or husbando'' less ''do-able'' to fans who are drawn by the pairing mechanic.
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https://www.nedgame.nl/nintendo-3ds/fire-emblem-fates/5799640058/
27 may according to this. It's a gamestore in the Netherlands. I just saw this like 20 minutes ago.
That's my go to game store and that news is NOT looking good! Though I should probably be ''grateful'' its not a half year delay.
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Tharja is mostly known as fanservice but I find her appearance remarkably unattractive.
When I look at that without prior knowledge of the character I would sooner imagine a coffee addicted, neurotic spaz then I would imagine some piece of eye candy.
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I actually quite like Roy as a character.
I have a very hard time taking Zephiel seriously as a villain.
I think Radiant dawn's plot has things that don't work and I do not like some things but overall I like and even respect the story of RD.
I find male Morgan a lot better than his female counterpart.
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Isn't a Keaton a mythological fox? If only there was a fox boy in the game to which the translators could give that name....
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So the explanation for children is still ridiculous and a clear sign the feature had zero vision other than to ape Awakening no matter how it would fit into the final product? Okay then. The kids on their own are pretty cool at least, though that may just make things worse.
Its kinda sweet to see someone as meek as Corrin go berserk when his kid is threatened.
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While I will be avoiding any of the sibling pairings I do think Leo and Takumi have some things going for them to make them less awkward than the little sisters.
Sakura and Elise adore their big brother, look after him a great deal and because they are pretty weak Corrin does have a protective role to play. This can make romance awkward.
Leo and Takumi on the other hand strike me as "little" brothers in name only. Default Corrin doesn't strike me as much older than they are. Corrin is older but probably only a year or so.
But more importantly is how Corrin has less big brotherly duties towards the little bros . Leon in particular seems all around more capable then Corrin. Its Leo who is the prodigy, Leo who has to hush Corrin when he's rash and with him going behind Garon's back in the intro we can safely say its Leo who takes care of Corrin. From what I've seen Corrin does not get to act like a "big" brother.
This goes for Takumi to a lesser extend. In their supports its Corrin who seeks Takumi's aproval and its little brother Takumi who trains big brother Corrin.
Corrin has no need to take care of his little brothers and they don't expect him to. That and their similiar age makes it a pairing in which the participants are on a more equal footing.
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Probably laziness on the developers part. I'd imagine Foleo would be horrified if he was actually buffed.
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Boy, am I seeing little talk about hotsprings or what? Personally I'm fine with those little touches of fanservice. Hotspring or beach episodes and other skimpy outfits are a bit of a trope in anime inspired games. Fire emblem always took a little bit from anime and much more so in the more recent games. Its also not that big a deal. Things like this are easy to ignore, harmless and their inclusion does not have to clash with anything.
Plenty of interesting subjects to juggle with in this topic.
On Foleo, I'm a bit on the fence about that character. The developer being IS gives me a bit of a deja vu moment to paper Mario. I think IS pulling a vivian on poor Foleo and making him a girl is a possibility.
And that would be a shame because there is nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to Foleo. I think he's handled surprisingly tastefully. Foleo decides to be what he wants to be, regardless of what the world thinks of it. When people give him trouble over this he has plenty of people who are willing to comfort and protect him.
Making Foleo cater to the transgender community which I think people are going to complain about if they don't is also something I would deem unwise. Foleo makes it clear he is a man and gets upset at those who don't agree with that.
That line to Elise just comes off as awkward. We all know its directed at the player and its simply not believable that Elise would be an adult. I would have a hard time believing Leo himself is an adult and if Elise is one then so would he.
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On the subject of that topic and Ryoma, I actually find it quite morally reprehensible of Ryoma that he insist the Nohr siblings who raised Corrin for far longer than he ever did are not his ''true'' siblings. The rest of the siblings have a valid reason to reach this conclusion but Ryoma KNOWS
He and his siblings are not related to Corrin either
Ryoma can call siding with Norh a betrayal to Corrin's mother and he would not be wrong about it but thinking Corrin owes him any more than he does the Nohrian siblings is just hypocritical.
Its one of the reasons I'm so sour about being able to marry the Hoshido siblings. What is needed to make that acceptable breaks the very theme of blood vs loyalty the game builds itself around. In this case I find it making Ryoma less sympathetic than he should be as well.
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Are they getting rid of the racism in general or was it only Saizo's initial racism that was changed?
It could be just Takumi being a jerk but in the stream of a Conquest chapter he's shown to be pretty racist to Nohrians. Hinoka also calls the Nohrian siblings ''Nohrian scum''
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I'm happiest about face-rubbing getting the boot, of course. Good riddance!
Same here. The feature never sat well with me and I think the compromise is one everyone can live with.
On a less controversial note, I'm very glad Pit's voice actor is voicing Silas. Its good to see more of him.
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Elise seems to be aged up in the localized version. In a stream Leo tells her to ''Behave like the adult you technically are''
Elise being an adult clearly stretches it but if she is then I wonder how old Leo is then because he doesn't quite look like an adult himself either.
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For the love of peace on the Internet, the only thing I can possibly see working is FE11/12
They already made a start with that in the past and it was...um, not good but at least okay. They could follow up on that old ova seeing as its Japan's favorite Fe continuity.
Yet I do see some problems with that setting, namely that cast members with a personality can be counted on one hand and that the villains have aged pretty badly compared to their modern counterparts. Personally I would find Akenaia a worst case scenario, especially since I think that continent already gets to much attention as it is.
Those reservations wouldn't be to much to overcome and it could mean that they could branch out to other Fire emblems if the Akenaia anime gets received well enough.
Light Magic Disapperance?
in General Fire Emblem
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I think it has to do with IS not wanting to over-complicate the magic system. Maybe they just think two brands of magic is enough.
They do seem to tamper with the magic system a lot. Sometimes all anime elements are their own magic class, sometimes they are not and depending on the game you can have either light or dark magic being absent. In Por there was no dark magic and In Awakening no light. Fates also only barely has dark magic, just Nosferatu and the rest is anima right? That little bit of dark might have made it in because the dark mages in Awakening were so popular.