Erikt

To me, grinding means you abuse DLC maps (or Wireless teams/Skirmish in Normal? Hard? ) to earn shit loads of XP and gold, use that to level any char you want, have best items and no need to worry about XP-sharing. What's wrong if I use Fred to do his job as a tank when I play a main-story chapter? It's his destiny to tank and let other chars earn the XP, my friend... Very fair point. Agreed with Panne, I'm moving her up to Excellent, she is damn good. I honestly don't know about Lon'qu.... As I said in my original post, he "can be a good char". It's my 1st play... I will try him in my next and he should have a better ranking. I heard he and Panne paired up is pretty bad-ass. Fair point. I glad you brought this up. Yes, when you play Lunatic, it's kinda you have to stick with all the chars you're given earlier. So they are all good. Some of them can be exchangeable though - Miriel/Ricken, Sumia/Cordelia, Tharja/Henry,.... The rest like all the children are quite unusable. Level 10 unpromoted at chapter 20 or so? No thanks. Not much support? No thanks. Had to grind so that you can pass down useful skills to them, so that they might be a bit useful? No thanks, this is no-grind tier list. That may not tell you much, but actually tell you everything. Stick with the parents who you get in first 10 chapters, they are all quite good. Stay away from the parents after that, and all children. And Donnel...

Hey, Just done with my first play through ever and beat Lunatic/Classic. Want to share some of my thoughts on the tier list, give comments on all chars - so discuss on! Few things first 1. No grinding, especially DLC maps. Obviously if you grind, any char can be godlike and Lunatic loses its purpose. 2. This is my own tier list. Different person can think differently. Discuss on but be polite. Here goes.... GODLIKE - built the team up Frederick - 20/10 He single-handed brings you over the first 4-5 chapters. In the next 10 chapters or so, I got him S-support with Sumia, pair them up, put them on a fort or something, and strip his weapons. The enemies will surround him and I lure them out 1-by-1, that way the XP is shared very well between my chars. So Fred can be said to build up my whole army. In the remaining chapters, he is not as outstanding as he was due to others got stronger now, but still a solid place in the whole team. Besides, he is cool and loyal, I like loyalty. EXCELLENT - guaranteed a place in the team Avatar - 10/10 Chrom - 9/10 Lissa - 9/10 Avatar is very good, no doubts. Being any class you want, support with anyone you want. Should have good stats. Can really be a game-breaking if you have a Nosferatu-using Avatar paired with Chrom. Chrom is RNG-blessed in my game. His unlimited Falchion is a big plus too especially you have it since beginning. He is always paired with my Avatar and always does his job to defend or follow up attacks. Lissa is my first and long-term staff-user. No need to say how useful she can be in many situations. VERY GOOD - solid place in the team - 8/10 Sully - solid, good Speed Virion - deadly with his bow Vaike - I always like axe-user. Start with a bit low Speed but can be very strong later Miriel - my first magic-user. Good at offensive. No one talks about a mage's defensive. Sumia - she can be hard to level up especially I always got her paired with Fred. Even if she can level up, her Strength might be quite low. She is quite RNG-blessed in my game so I get myself a very good flier, mage killer. Anyway, just because she helps Fred to tank with +Speed and +Res, she already deserves to be here. Panne - reclassed as a Wyvern Rider then Wyvern Lord. Did exactly what is expected out of this route - a tank flier. Nowi - Manakete is always good if you can level her up. Tharja - Dark mage is quite unbalanced in this game due to Nosferatu, especially she is so well-made for the role with high Magic and Speed. Anna - a capable thief, this all I need. Olivia - some people hate Dancer but I always love them in my play style. GOOD - used in few chapters - 7/10 Kellam - he can be an excellent tank but I can not level him up. Too many axe enemies in the first few chapters, and he usually got paired up to give +Def to someone else. Lon'qu - again, can be a good char but I don't like sword-user so I never level him up. But in the few chapters I need him, he did his job with some deadly crits. OKAY - 5/10 - never used but may have potentials The rest of the 1st-generation chars. BAD - 2/10 - just get them for the completion sake All the children (yes, Lucina too) Donnel

Cool! That's all the answer & info I seek.

I'm open to all critiques. Don't be unfair to me by saying "thickheaded" or "refusing". I said very clearly from the start, I'm new to the game, I might be a noob, but if anyone can prove me wrong, I'm happy. Question: do you yourselves buy the DLC, grind in whatever early playthroughs, gain some advantages, and use those advantages when you start playing your "Lunatic without grind"? That's number 1st playthrough or 1290th is not the point here. If No - ok, so the game's highest difficulty can be beaten without spending any money. I have been a noob. But I'm happy for the "able" challenges and big thanks to you for pointing that out. If Yes - well, you pay to win. Don't hide it by delaying it to 2nd playthrough or 2520th playthrough.

Those are impossible to beat. I'm at chapter 5 and stucked with the main story. I can not beat the Risen skirmish too. I can not beat the Spotpass as well. The only thing I can do now is grinding the DLC map. After doing some grinds, Lunatic will become my CAKE! I sound like a jerk but to stop anyone from saying: "oh little man, Lunatic is too difficult for you, Play Normal first."

Come on... I know myself this is my own problem. My point: even if you start with lower difficulty, so what? when you decide to play Lunatic, you still have to grind, and still have to pay for the grind map. Let me say it once again very clear: I can grind too. And if I do so, I can beat Lunatic Classic in my 1st run NO PROBLEM! My problem is not I can not beat Lunatic in my 1st play. My problem is: we all have to grind, and pay money, anytime we need to beat Lunatic.

Yeah man, I started straight away with Lunatic in FE12, beat it, unlocked Lunatic reverse, beat it too with all-A score. Your post saying you can play up to CH17 gave me some hopes that we don't need to start grinding so early to advance. So, thanks to that!

Fair point. I didn't try to mean I'm an expert. All I wanted is to let you know, I'm not some random noob crying about difficulty. It would be the last thing I'd do, haha. If all "YES", my problem is not I can not beat Lunatic. Because I myself can grind too. My problem is how we do it by paying real money, which is the only way. And it is my biggest disappointment. Again, someone please yells to me: "you are a noob. I can beat Lunatic without paying real money".

Okay... maybe I was too confident to start with Lunatic classic. I always started at the maximum difficulty for any FE games before, and managed the highest score. This time is another story?.... Okay, if you say so, 3 quick questions 1. If I play Normal/Hard first, does it help me in some ways if I then play Lunatic? 2. Do you yourselves have to grind to play Lunatic? 3. Do you yourselves purchase the grind map - The Golden Gaffle to grind first?

I'm doing Lunatic Classic for my 1st playthrough. The biggest disappointment I see is: if you don't grind XP and gold, it will become impossible at around chapter 5 or 6. In previous chapter, chances you are forced to use Frederick quite much and some of other characters are under-leveled. I think even if they are not under-leveled, the best level you could get them is 7 or 8? Still not enough to beat chapter 5. (And this comes from a person with quite experience with the Fire emblem series, play most of the games, get all-A for Lunatic reverse in FE12, stuff like that...) Even worse, you have to pay real money for the grind map - The Golden Gaffe. I tried playing some Spotpass - impossible beat. I tried Risen skirmish - impossible to beat. I tried other DLC maps - impossible to beat. I tried moving on with the story - stucked at chapter 5 (The Exalt and the King) So it appears to me that you pay to win, which is the worst thing for games, especially strategy games like FE. I have to admit that I've not played FE13 much. The game only came to my hands 3 days ago due to shipment delay. So a lot of things I may misunderstand, or even noob. Someone please tells me: "you are noob, this is how it can be done..." or "you are wrong, dlc is not needed to move on"

Hah thanks man. In my 1st lunatic playthru I didnot get A for speed so abit alert this time Out of topic, I really enjoy reading your guide so far so keep up the good work

Old question, should have already been answered by someone but no luck finding it: Does turn count in Prologue matter with endgame speed ranking? Thanks Cheers

Yea maybe... So anyone here playing Lunatic and get the Silver card in chapter 10? At least we can eliminate 1 possibility. Cheers

Yes I think the same. I did the chapter near 10 times with different turncount but all ends with only getting a Vulnerary! So I start suspecting the Lunatic mode is the reason here... Someone that has experiences playing Lunatic can confirm on this please?

Thanks for reply. Thats weird cause Im pretty sure I did not even touch any of the Clerics... At end of chapter all I got is MU says something with Marth and Marth got a vulnerary (duh...) Can you tell me what character gives the card to Marth?