[The Class You Hate the Most]

The class that I actually dislike the most is actually cavalier/paladin. Every other class has several flaws, but that's the point. It's a tactics game, you're supposed to have units that have distinct strengths and weaknesses. Then you have units who can equip the entire weapon triangle (depending on the game), can fight at 1-2 range with hand axes and javelins, move farther than everyone else and usually have above average stats in mostly everything but resistance. Their only real weakness usually winds up being magic which most weapon users are weak to and the one obligatory desert/sand map in the game and the one unit with a horseslayer that's just there to punish you for not checking enemy weapons before fighting.

[Who of the DB members do you bring to the endgame?]

Literally only the ones that I'm required to bring. Even then I don't want half of them because Sothe being there means he needs the SS dagger and Volke is just better. I'm fine with Micaiah as she fills that token Rexaura user slot. I tried to use Leo and Nolan before but I just wound up going back to Shinon and Boyd in the next playthrough.

[Missed potential in the Tellius games]

I'm fine with the Four Riders getting the amount of screentime they get. Having all 4 constantly running into the main characters repeatedly and having them survive would cause even more suspension of disbelief. Daein has a large army. They have other things to do. I'm fine with Elincia and Ike having the amount of the story importance that they do have. Elincia is now too constrained by her status as queen to run around and go fightin round the world. Ike stealing the show makes sense. He's a hero who saved the world and his actions have shaped the current state of most nations. It would be even stupider if he wasn't important. That'd be like having Superman not having a big role in BvS Dawn of Justice. The GMs and their army were always gonna be playable in this game (except Largo) unless it took place in the distant future. Of course, most of those characters would be on the same side as Ike as well as he as their leader/friend/ally whatever. And as a mercenary, he's gonna get swept up into conflict as it's his job. Also there's still that closure that he needed with the BK because even though BK lost at the end, we still knew nothing about him which was obviously supposed to be finished in the next game and Sephiran was doing that foreshadowing that Ike would have more fights ahead of him. The unrealistic thing would be for Ike to not be important and to have most of the playable characters from the previous game not side with Ike and not give the player the satisfaction of letting us have Ike get his win against the BK. Ike being center stage in the sequel was always going to happen. To change that, they'd need to completely rewrite the previous game.

There is missed a lot potential in the Chapter one units though. Most of them didn't have the screentime from PoR necessary for us to get attached to them. Even a few more base conversations and being in scenes before and after each chapter would have done wonders for them. LEA should have joined earlier and all that yeah, but my big qualm is about Micaiah. I know they're trying to keep her true identity a secret until the end of the game, but her gameplay presence seems really underwhelming for being the true apostle. She can heal but staves do that better. She can foresight but that has no presence on actual gameplay. She has light magic yeah but it's not exclusive besides Thani. I feel that the decision to have it revealed that she was the true apostle really limited a lot more stuff they could have done with her character. I'm conflicted though. Part one cast needed more screentime, but they really only had one goal in mind which was liberating Daein, and there's only so much they could have done to drag that out without having it get boring and feel pointless. It would have seemed really underwhelming compared to the higher stakes conflicts in each of the later parts of the game.

[Ike's Dissonance]

13 hours ago, Augestein said:

It's not dumb luck though. Again, dumb luck requires that someone just felt like prison breaking with nothing surrounding the plot to encourage anyone to do so. Leif being here in prison when there was a prison break happening means that there's more people in the world doing things besides himself. It's fortuitous, but it's not dumb luck. Dumb luck requires it to happen by random chance. As in, there's no reason for this to happen. 

No. I mean Elbert. Nils knows Elbert is there. He rescued them as well. And considering that both of the twins seem to be able to have feelings to predict when bad things are happening, this isn't that bad-- you can say the powers are bad but that's another thing entirely. The twins do have that power, we see this as early as Ninian predicting an arrow before it even happens. Considering this, it's not a stretch by any means. So no, there really isn't a difference here. 

And that's a really bad argument. "Things could go wrong, so it's luck that someone delivers a message?" You may as well say that it's luck that Ike doesn't trip over his own shoes and impale himself. That's calling into the competence of someone delivering a message or not. Or question why the boat didn't sink from the journey of Crimea to Begnion. Or why no one died from famine or sickness.

And? That doesn't suddenly mean that Ike gets a free pass then. 

It's a lot easier to speak when someone has already voiced the argument and chime in. I'm going to have to strongly disagree with that. 

 

Sephrian being in prison is less lucky than you might think honestly.

It is random chance that the rescue happens to align up with Leif's capture. It's nothing but random chance. He had no influence on the outcome or knowledge of the incident. Hence DUMB luck.

Elbert. He does have a reason to be there. Elbert isn't with him.

I'm pretty sure you meant Nils in one part of this post. Saying Elbert isn't with Elbert is literal nonsense. NIls can predict bad things happening but he's never been the type to take action on it. Prior to that the twins have just ran away from their problems. He knows there's nothing he can do against Nergal and his minions and the only time he ever decides to run up and confront the problem by himself is at a time when him showing up is exactly when Ninian is trying to bring Dragon's through the gate and can't be interrupted.

There's more to it than that. Roy has to send a messenger through a country that's being invaded into another country. Meet up with someone he currently doesn't know the status of. Then Cecilia has to also convince her king to intervene and mobilize an entire army and then have them manage to travel all the way to Ostia with no problems. The scale of what needs to happen and everything working perfectly when he has so little involvement is what makes it lucky. Ike tripping and dying is something that can be prevented with his own effort and the scale of the issue is so small compared to mobilizing an entire foreign army with a letter.

People don't jump in to bash on someone if they don't feel strongly about the issue. Hector doesn't care as much about Zephiel as Eliwood does, so that's why Eliwood jumps up and Hector doesn't. His response to the whole incident is

Hector:
“It’s over and done with. No sense worrying about it now. "

These aren't the words of somebody who cares. It's a lot easier to get angry when someone is insulting your friend.

There's no point in trying to continue this further. We're going in circles and you clearly hate Ike and want him to die a fiery death at every opportunity if all your examples you pulled off the top of your head were related to him dying.

[Ike's Dissonance]

37 minutes ago, Augestein said:

But that's the problem. It really isn't dumb luck. It happens because of the events of the game. If Leif had just smarted off to a knight, got captured and thrown in jail, and then someone just decided they wanted to do a jail break, THAT would be sheer dumb luck. 

Elbert. He does have a reason to be there. Elbert isn't with him. That's reason enough. And nor was his sister. Is he supposed to just abandon his sister? That's like saying that Ike shouldn't have gone to check up on Greil because he had a bad feeling and should have instead run back to the fortress because of self preservation. Or that Mist shouldn't have tried to help Ike fight the black knight because she should have tried to live. 

Roy's isn't though. He did it days ahead of time, and the dialogue takes note that his mentor was the only reason that arrived on time. Because she went out of her way to move as rapidly as possible and took advantage of the situation. Hence why he contacted her. 

All of the lords are supposed to be nice lords. That's some of the problem.I think the thing here is that whether Elincia is a doormat or not isn't the issue. As Ike is pretty aggressive in general. 

Oh, it is. Eliwood is criticizing the queen for not caring about her son when he could have actually died, and she was more concerned with the throne room. The thing is though, is that even when Eliwood, the de facto leader of the group, is giving someone a verbal lashing, he doesn't actually join in or anything. He remains silent.

It is dumb luck because Leif had absolutely no idea that it would happen and it happened at the perfect time. Not dumb luck would have been Leif finding out that another group would be attacking to free the prison soon and letting himself get captured to avoid a fight he couldn't win and taking that risk.

I think you mean Nils. And like I stated before he had no idea where his sister was. He didn't know if she escaped to safety or got caught again. He had no clue on the situation and acted on a feeling. Ike's bad feeling made more sense because Greil was acting out of character ever since seeing the Black Knight. He had observed that something was wrong and acted on it. Nils just had a feeling despite being isolated from all other information. There's a difference. 

Like I said before the distance between Etruria and Lycia is huge. A lot of things could have gone wrong between sending the message and for them to arrive. There's a big difference in between that and hoping one of your fellow mercenaries happens to be nearby to help with an incident happening nearby your base.

The difference between Ike and Sothe's quality as bodyguards is obviously dependent on their relationship with the one that they protect. Ike takes a more active role since Elincia isn't capable of standing up for herself. Sothe doesn't do that as much because Micaiah is more headstrong and doesn't follow his advice.

It isn't. It's a lot easier to stand up for someone when they being attacked. People can do that reflexively. People don't easily join up with their friends when they're calling someone else out that they may not feel as strongly about. Here's a simple comparison. You seeing people picking on your friend. Most people would help out regardless of the risk because you want to protect your friend. You see your friend picking a fight with someone else over something you don't feel as strongly about as they do. You don't just jump in and ganging up on the other person. People act differently when they're trying to protect someone vs. when they're on the aggressor's side. I don't know how this is a hard concept to grasp.

[Ike's Dissonance]

1 minute ago, Augestein said:

But I can. The dialogue of PoR actually changes when people die. RD was the one that acted like no one died. But we're talking about PoR here. 

Because the plot doesn't just give up. Eliwood and company has bad luck in the example. So how does that show good luck? FE6 Roy actually did something ahead of time and had the foresight to take on what would happen. The FE8 one is just flat out wrong. Luck that's considered bad would be "oh, Nergal can kill us because he has enough power, but for some reason he does." Luckily this can *kinda* be excused as Nergal's unconscious mind might be trying to avoid killing people, but it still is pretty bad tbh. 

And it works. Because they are two factions doing different things. They didn't go in there to specifically find Lief. It's no more lucky than Ike's team breaking out Sephiran from prison when they were going to rescue the millitia. It's almost the same thing. They didn't go in there to rescue him, but they're already there, there's no reason not to. Same thing here. Unless we're now going to say "Sephiran being rescued is terrible writing." In which case, pretty much all of PoR is bad then. 

And it's the ending of the game where Nergal has far more quintessence than he had at the beginning  of the game. So that's still clear that he didn't have enough power even with Elbert's immediate death. If they did, they wouldn't have bothered going to Bern and that subplot wouldn't have matter at all. So once again, the  plot actually makes sense here. 

Nils has every reason to be there. Elbert has every reason to be there. There's no luck here. The same way Ike gets lucky with Titania taking the foresight to actually call Greil, Shinon and Gatrie to help save Rolf and Mist, it's luck that Shinon gets there in time, it's not luck that he's there. This is the Roy situation all over again, Titania had a plan. 

No. If that was the case, then I'd also dislike Micaiah, or Sanaki, or Sothe, or Geoffrey or... You know, any character that isn't Elincia. Which I don't. None of them go around doing the things Ike does. So there's a reason I have a dislike for Ike and not them. That's a complete red herring argument there. Especially since Sothe, like Ike, also isn't a noble and a main character, and I feel that Sothe is treated about right for being a bodyguard type character. Sothe RD is basically Ike but handled way better. 

Not really. Even Hector knew when to be civil. As seen in Bern where he didn't act out of line when they met the queen. And there was talk of Hector being a loudmouth, and people treated him as such. 

That rescue makes sense yes, but it's also dumb luck. The two aren't mutually exclusive. My point continues to be the same stuff we see in POR is the same stuff we've seen in the other games of the series but you seem to be focused on it being the worst stuff ever because IKE.

Nergal had more at the end yes. But he also had enough when they first meet him that's why he could open the gate the first time. He needed more because his ruined attempt made him lose a lot of it and he needed more to heal himself from the Elbert inflicted wound that kept him from being more active.

Nils had every reason to be there except for the fact that he had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHY he should have been there. He just hiding with no new information since he fell off the boat had a bad feeling and decided to check it out against all sense of self preservation. I feel like we're going in circles here. Elbert should also be there yes, but he shouldn't have been alive or within proper stabbing position for Nergal. Some of that is luck and some of that is pure bad writing. 

The luck between the Dragon's Gate scene and the saving Rolf scene are completely different. It's a reasonable, yet lucky rescue. It's way more probable that scene played out the way it did than Roy's rescue. That place where that battle took was much closer in proximity to where Shinon probably was than sending a messenger to a different country and having them show up with an army at the perfect time. The Dragon's Gate rescue was a bunch of BS just happening until the bad guys couldn't maintain the situation anymore.

I was only using Elincia as an example of a typical "nice" lord. Most of those characters never do the same things as Ike because they're never in similar situations. Sothe speaks out against Pelleas but it's still clear that Micaiah has most of the power as she's the person most people believe will bring the results so he's in a better position. There's a VERY clear difference between Ike and Sothe. The difference is that Elincia is a giant doormat in comparsion to Micaiah. Sothe just seems like he's handled better because Micaiah can stand up for herself while Elincia doesn't have her confidence yet. I don't feel like these are good comparisons.

The scene where they meet with the queen of Bern is completely different to the Sanaki meets Elincia scene. Eliwood is the one criticizing the queen for her not caring about her son who is a stranger to the main characters. While the other scene is Elincia being insulted in a room full of people and able to do nothing but bear it. These scenes are nothing alike. Ike steps in because someone he cares about is being insulted. While Hector doesn't do anything because Eliwood is insulting someone else.

 

[Ike's Dissonance]

18 minutes ago, Augestein said:

Not at all. 

Except people know who Leif is. So people were planning on rescuing him regardless. And IIRC, chapter 6 is where someone is surprised that Lief is already out because they were specifically looking for him. Lief gets rescued because of the events that were already happening. Just saying "he got rescued by strangers" is completely ignoring what was already happening. Here's an example of luck that works out that doesn't break disbelief. Lyndis asking Eliwood for help when Lungdren is petitioning other nobles to join in to defeat her. Eliwood helps her because he happens to like Lyndis, but it's double edged luck in the event that he actually cannot help her, but rather remain neutral with her

Nils showing up wasn't the perfect moment. If Nils waiting until Eliwood's father is being sacrificed is what you'd consider perfect, I don't even know what to say here. Eliwood's father is clearly being used as part of the ritual. Hence Ninian apologizing for what she did to Elbert. So no. It's not just because "the plot needed it." He was supposed to be the sacrifice. But he let Ninian go, and so they had to find her again. But Eliwood and company dragged Ninian BACK to Dread Isle and made it easier for Nergal. If anything, this is an example of bad luck, because they unwittingly did what the villain wanted without him having to devote any resources to getting her back. 

Ike's luck is far worse. Like... Even Corrin has less luck than Ike, and people always moan and groan about him. And the thing is, it wouldn't be so bad if Ike was Eirika levels of nice or had nobility or something, but he has nothing, and people just take it or find him remarkable because... They just do. And the thing is here, is that this is what I'm talking about when I see dissonance in Ike. It's fine if you like him, but for me, I find him pretty lousy because of things like this. It's like Hector without the status or the knowledge to calm down on occasion. 

The difference is that none of those characters have to survive, and PoR even does a pretty decent job with this having various conversations and some endings alter based on who is dead or alive. The characters that die are dead, and the game doesn't magically make them revive because you lost. Sure you could argue casual mode, but realistically, you don't have to push reset every time someone dies. 

They know who he is yes, but they didn't know he was there until they carried out the mission. The one who he met was August who was in the process of making his own plan to rescue Leaf which means the other plan happened completely independent of his plan. If Sety's plan didn't take place at the exact perfect time. Then Nanna doesn't get saved at the best time and something worse would probably have happened to her and maybe to Leif as well. I'm not saying all rescues break disbelief. Some do, some don't. This one was one of those that do. Same thing goes for FE9 and FE10. The heroes need to be rescued though. It's a necessary story element. They need to be in peril to have tension, and they sometimes need to put themselves in that peril so you know that they aren't infallible gods, but you can't also just kill the hero every time a slight danger pops up.

Elbert in particular wasn't necessary. Nergal did the ritual in the end without him and it worked fine. He just needs his quintessence which he could have gotten by killing him like how Limstella killed the fangs. It's also dumb luck that the person they chose for the ritual just happened to be his dad.

Yes it's their screw up that allowed the villain to achieve his plan. They acted without proper knowledge. That's my point. It took some Elbert and Nils BS to save them. Nils had to act on a feeling he had that required him acting against better judgment and with no other info to go on and Elbert just happened to be the one they kept alive and unproperly restrained.

Ike has some reasonable luck and some unreasonable luck. Just like everyone else. You just seem to be upset that he's not Elincia. All FE Heroes are nice and noble in their own way. Pretending like he is none of that is just silly. Some people like him because they have a reason to like him and some people like him without proper reason. Just like everyone else.

He is like Hector. He acts out of hand at some times and the person who is actually calling the shots (Eliwood/Elincia) have to restrain them. Elincia is just worse at it because of her personality. He was based off Hector after all. If you just replaced Ike with Hector with the same scenario, you would have near identical results. He's just more of the same that we've been getting for a while now. There's nothing that new about it. It's the same tropes and cliches we've been getting for the first 8 games but it seems different because of the story structure. He just meets all the important people he needs to make a good impression on for the quest to be completed by the halfway point of the story instead of spread out over the course of the game.

 

 

[What is your unpopular Fire Emblem opinion?]

2 minutes ago, Vivowold said:

I think the game tries WAAY too hard to feel sorry or sympathize the Royals siblings.

I feel next to nothing when they died (in either Birthright or Conquest) because the whole scene was contrived rather than sad.

It doesn't help that if one dies you have a similar counterpart Royal sibling on the side you joined.

[What is your unpopular Fire Emblem opinion?]

FE8 is the most forgettable game in the series.

As much as I like the games, FE4 and FE5 had massively gameplay issues that cut down on my enjoyment.

I actually like how the magic triangles keep changing between FE games.

I kinda hate Fates as a whole.

Hand Axes and Javelins should remain the way Fates had it or get nerfed harder. The silliest thing about this franchise is the idea of having one person take on an army by throwing a single javelin 20 times. It would be even sillier to suggest that they had 20 javelins that they only threw once. 

Horses are too ridiculously overpowered as a series whole.

Dismounting needs to come back.

Weapon durability was a fine concept. Not having it around every now and then is fine but I would miss it if it stayed gone forever.

They need to pick one concept for weapon weight and just freaking stick with it.

Every game in the series needs work to make it better.

[Ike's Dissonance]

20 hours ago, Augestein said:

But most of those aren't even in the same. 

Leif is lucky, but not for the way you're saying it. The people were going to rescue the children that were being captured. Leif just so happens to be one of them. And considering that someone was already planning on rescuing Leif anyways, this isn't really luck at all. 

FE6, as stated, Roy petitions ahead of time about this. 

FE7. Nils showing up makes sense. Both his sister and his father figure are there. There's no reason for him not to show up. Elbert too is obvious for why he was kept alive. His quintessence. And part of the ritual for opening the dragons gate. We literally see this at the Dragon's Gate. Jaffar being sent away could be considered luck, especially since Ephidel blabbed about Bern, but considering that they were going to call a dragon to kill the lords, this isn't that bad. Nils showing up is the only lucky thing, and considering that he was on the originsl ship there, him following the lords isn't really luck. 

Them "just happening" to wind up going to the next stone location... Was their next location. So that's not luck at all. L'Rachel says as such. And only needing 1 stone actually isn't that bad either. It makes sense considering that each kingdom had 1 stone. It wouldn't make sense for only 1 kingdom to have a stone and be able to hold that over everyone else. 

 

None of these even come close to characters that shrug off what Ike says and accept it, or Ike's super luck. That's what I'm saying. 

The timing is what makes those rescues lucky. There last minute rescues that that the protagonists had no idea would play out right then. You can just as easily explain away some of the rescues in FE9 and 10.

Leaf only got saved because another rescue attempt had already been planned to take place that was completely unalluded to before and happened to overlap with his capture. The goal wasn't originally to rescue him. Asvel didn't know he was in there. Sety was just all "Hey your old friend is in here. You should go help him out instead. Oh you seem surprised that he's here." It just seemed like something they learned while carrying out their original plan to rescue the children and thought it would probably be good to rescue him too.

Nils choose the exact perfect moment to show up when he should have been in hiding and should have had no idea what was going on inside the dragon's gate. That's lucky. He sensed something and ran back toward the enemy base he just escaped from with no knowledge that Eliwood's group was there and had already beat a good chunk of troops there. Elbert has strong quintessence yes but they've been shown every other time to collect it from the dead. You could argue that they might be getting more from a living person, but they've been shown to kill off injured members of the fangs that they could do the same thing with. They only kept him alive because the plot needed it.

Those weren't the only examples of course. I could go on to write about more examples of dumb luck or BS rescues. Does Ike have a lot of luck? Yes. Is there someone before Ike who could have been accused of being the title of luckiest lord? Yes. Will there be lords in the future who will contend for that title? Most definitely. 

[Ike's Dissonance]

10 hours ago, Augestein said:

Which honestly means that the characters in Tellius would be astoundingly one dimensional in that regard. I'm not even arguing that everything bad should happen to Ike, as there are runs of bad luck such as Chapter 11 where Ranulf gets revealed, and things go down south. The problem is that his good luck is to the point that it overlaps any real sort of conflict. IE, it doesn't matter what Ike does or doesn't do, it still works out. It's funny you mention Reyson, as he seems to be the best written character in Tellius-- or PoR at least. It might be why this story actually I don't... Find that good to be honest because of all of this. And the fact that the game treats Ike like he's so unique when his opinion is damn near identical to... Every character that isn't a villain in the game, or a laguz initially. The best thing Ike did over the course of the game is not attack the Black Knight. 

Like you have tacticians and strategist knowing "Ike always charges forward" in dialogue, yet no general / strategist is able to actually kill him despite the fact that people know what he does. It's even slightly lampshaded in the rock chapter. I don't know, I just felt that PoR was a bit bad in the storyline department, and even worse than other ones in the regard that luck is too huge of a factor in the game. 

 

Most FE games have stuff like that to varying degree. The protagonist will screw up but something will happen to ensure he/she will make it to the end of the game (except Sigurd). Good luck is required to be a main character.

Michailis steals starlight and gives it to the heroes after they lose it.

Leaf gets saved by complete strangers when he gets captured.

Roy gets saved by Cecilia when the Bern army shows up after he retakes Ostia.

The FE7 Lords get saved by Nils showing up, Ephidel being an idiot and sending Jaffar away, and Nergal keeping Elbert alive for some reason when confronting the big bad whom they know nothing about at the final dungeon at the game's halfway point.

The FE8 Lords lose their stone by deciding to confront the DK's vessel alone but just happen to wind up to be going to the next stone location and only needing one to seal him again.

It's just protagonist syndrome. It's nothing new and it's not going away any time soon. Every other FE lord also just charges forward a lot. That's why the majority of maps have seize and rout objectives.

[Ike's Dissonance]

Serenes Massacre wasn't that long ago. It's still fresh in the mind of a lot of people. Most everyone feels guilty about it.

I assume she needed him for those missions because he has no ties to the senators and is loyal to Elincia and thus wouldn't compromise the mission by having a chance to be in their pocket. He's also sympathetic to the laguz which would also reduce the risk of him not carrying out the mission properly. Also since they're relatively unknown it would have helped them not stick out. If she just picked some of her holy guard, they would have stuck out like a sore thumb while busting up a slave trading ring. There's a good chance any soldiers would have a conflicting loyalty to the Senators.

[Ike's Dissonance]

15 hours ago, henrymidfields said:

To be honest I also am wondering about this; I'm actually thinking about giving this a miss...

It's as good of a 3DS remake as they could have done for a game that's over 2 decades old. The plot isn't anything special but artistically it's pretty good.

[Ike's Dissonance]

I always just thought of it as Roy being the one to use the Binding Blade because he used the Fire Emblem to unlock it and that was entrusted to him by Guinevere. Giving it to someone else would be silly.

Ike having Ragnell has nothing destined about it. BK gave it to his dad because he wanted a proper duel. Ike picked it up because BK left it for him and nobody else was around. He kept it secret from the rest of the army as he thought having it would somehow allow him to meet BK again. BK says that sword is the only thing to beat his armor and Ike wants to duel BK. Then he gives it back to Sanaki after the war and then she gives it back to him as payment in RD. Nothing destined about it.

[Ike's Dissonance]

13 hours ago, phineas81707 said:

Were Gray/Tobin and Mae/Boey really that much out of the loop?

The plot of that game wasn't really one that hinged on a lot of really important secrets that only certain people would know. The only real secrets about about Alm and Celica's Origins. They reveal Celica is a princess like within the first 5 mins of her story and Alm doesn't find out his until the very end and that was a secret meant to be revealed to the world if he won. It wouldn't work for something like FE9 or FE10.

[Fix your favorite and least favorite FE]

39 minutes ago, NinjaMonkey said:

Bastian is in 4-5, and can use all three anima magics.

I was referencing the Dawn Brigade Chapters. Namely the ones in Part 3

[Fix your favorite and least favorite FE]

Favorite is RD

- Give it actual supports

- Go into more depth on blood pact

- Don't make Sothe required for endgame. We just get Volke and now we have to bench him because we only have one SS Knife.

- Add more chapters to Part 2.

- Make the non royal laguz more playable. By end game there was literally no reason to ditch anyone who wasn't a Royal.

- Have some actual evil Laguz. All the main catalysts to everything came from the Beorc and your one "evil" laguz royal turned out to be forced into being evil.

- I'm fine with Dawn Brigade not being up to par with the GMs since their whole gimmick was being horribly outmatched by them. What does bother me is that they stick us with useless units like Meg and Fiona. At least give them all the same degree of usefullness instead of giving us useless members and exceedingly useless members. Speaking of which...

- GIVE US FIRE/WIND/THUNDER MAGES ON THE CHAPTERS WHERE WE CAN FIGHT LAGUZ. What's the point of them having elemental weaknesses if we never have the units to exploit it? We get told to use fire magic to fight beast laguz in DB chapters in part 3. HAVE ZERO MAGES WHO CAN USE FIRE. Nothing wrong with this itself but it reallllly bugs me.

 

Least Favorite is Fates

- Diversify the siblings more. I felt that picking either side didn't matter when both sides had siblings that we're too damn similar. You had a reliable older brother with a sword, a snippy younger brother with a ranged weapon, a older sister on a flying mount who wants to be relied on, and a younger sister with a staff that needs to be doted on. Better yet just remove some of them.

- Remove the children. Give some other bonus to getting your units to S support.

- Get rid of reclassing or at least restrict it more.

- Make Corrin more of what you would expect a sheltered person with an identity crisis to be like. Also make everyone not fawn all over him/her/it.

- Get rid of the Awakening Expy characters. JUST WRITE A NEW CHARACTER.

- Elaborate more on what happened to Ryoma and Takumi when they went missing. They had an army and then they didn't.

- Ditch Dragon form completely or make it relevant to the plot and/or supports.

- Make upgrading the Yato feel more natural and not have a magic book take you to some place to upgrade it and have just enough power to take you back.

- Ditch Revelations. It completely voided the purpose of choosing a side, not to mention how ridiculous the final boss was.

- Trash the game completely and start over.

 

[Ike's Dissonance]

21 hours ago, phineas81707 said:

What I'd look for, honestly, is for them to take a leaf out of Shadows of Valentia's book. Have the Avatar and some select minor characters (possibly changing depending on the chapter) serve as a Greek Chorus of sorts after the important characters have finished talking.

You'd still need a way for them to learn information that normally wouldn't be privy to that the important characters would. It would be like skipping first scene at the Dragon's or the first time you meet Athos and his info dumps. A better example would be skipping all of the scenes about the medallion since that was a secret known only by a handful of people.

 

19 hours ago, Jotari said:

Reminds me of one of George R. R Martin's frequently referenced story in interviews. He was working on an episode of the Twilight Zone revival and he wanted to adapt a modern day King Arthur story that someone else wrote. After submitting the script the exc said that the pitch of the show was "Extraordinary things happening to ordinary people" and nobody in the story was ordinary (as it featured Lancelot and Merlin etc). So he was forced to include some random guy in the story who's purpose was to just stand there and be all wow, this is so extraordinary. I haven't seen the episode but it sounds so forced as to be amusing.

It probably won't be intentionally funny since it's the Twilight Zone. But yeah, I would hate playing a game from a POV like that and I already have because FF12 lol.

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On 6/21/2017 at 3:04 AM, Jotari said:

Is that really better though? FE7 can either be about Eliwood and his journeys, or it can be about the guy observing Eliwood do all this stuff while he sits around and does nothing. It just reminds me of how the excs demanded Final Fantasy 12 have a hip young lead since they didn't think the grizzled bad ass could sell copies of the game, so they shove Vann into the plot and upset the flow of the entire story.

I have to agree with this. If the story was the exact same but Mark was an actual character, it would just steal focus for the actual interesting characters. Your character would have to be included in a bunch of important scenes just so you can feel like they're included even when you have no proper business there. Scenes that would focus on you would be better spent on focusing on the actual important people. It would be like playing the entire game from the perspective of Dorcas or Wil. The closest thing we had to it was the Avatar in New mystery and we all know how that turned out.

Maybe something closer to ideal would be something similar to playing as Sothe from RD. Even then the game took the time to mock how out of place he was in important events and how he was just a less than ideal gameplay unit by endgame as he was mediocre at best and there were more qualified units to be there like Volke. Even then people would enjoy the story more from the POV of the actual leaders who are the ones who develop their various relationships with the other important allies and villains, rather than just having your character just chime in with something to say every now and then.

 

[Tellius Recollection (Vol 2) Translation / Discussion Thread]

Yay, Mist and Tibarn. Sadly, no real new information in there though.

I assume Zelgius was just a no name soldier before he got trained by Gawain. Then he went back to Begnion with Seph who pretty much put Zelgius to his position as duke. The bigger question that I've always had about Lehran is how he became prime minister without him revealing he was a laguz. Someone as important as that would probably have his family record looked into by someone. He was still around at the time of the massacre but judging from the script from 4-4 he wasn't really in an important position.

[Cipher Series 9: June 19 - Ranulf HN]

Dheg looks really cool in his art.

Child Mist is cute. Also is that the legendary VOLT AXE SHOGUN?

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4 hours ago, The DanMan said:

So that this isn't a total derail: yeah, Ike's not the best written character, but a lot of his issues are really "main character" syndrome-- pretty much every work of fiction set on a decently large scale utilizes some unlikely contrivance or another that justifies the MC being, well, the MC.

Yeah, you kinda have to just accept there's always gonna be some unlikely stuff to line up for the main character to be the main character. If it was just an ordinary everyman with a realistic situation and no enormous strokes of luck, he'd just wind up being an ordinary everyman and wouldn't be worth writing about. A Fire Emblem game with none of that would just be: Training chapter prologue, chapter one empire attacks, chapter two in which you die because there's no legendary power/weapon to save you, you don't meet with anyone important enough to have the power to save you, and you aren't talented at fighting because you weren't trained by a famous knight or teacher or whatever.

[If Genealogy was localized...]

3 hours ago, MadJak91 said:

I think they will find a way around the incest. Cannot think of anything at the moment but they will probably change every lore relationship imaginable to make it work and simply ignore whatever can cause issues.

Like disregarding the Cygun backstory and simply making most characters not related.

I forgot though... What happened to Owain x Lucina?

They got listed as "companions" instead of husband/wife.

[If Genealogy was localized...]

They'll PG the Cigyun backstory up, age Dew up, and do the same thing that they did with Owain X Lucina to anyone who tries to marry cousins in gen 2. The incest is a giant plot point so I can't imagine they'll work around it. It's probably fine as it's a lesson on why incest is bad.

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17 hours ago, JSND said:

Seriously speaking this post goes into details about it, but i've never been able to take any comment about how Ike is a relatable commoner, ordinary lord seriously. He basically stole his plotline from Leif, but Leif manage to be convincingly pulls off a commoner-stance while being a prince. Ike failed to do the same while being a mercenary. The game goes out of their way to mock the idea that Leif is supposed to be special. Its not until the game's own Gottoh have a personal talk with Leif that Leif is potrayed as a messianic figure. Before that, he's just a mercenary of a backwater village of a poor countryside that can't even have a farm

A funny contrast in particular is when Leif get Ragnel, so that he can finally settle the score with the Black Knight for killing his parent

In FE5, the game specifically made sure to mention that while Leif can wield it himself, he's not special for it. His sister can wield it. His sister's brother can wield it. Even a random guy he met on a fucking prison can wield it.

 

None of the FE lords are particularly relatable to us commoners not living in medieval Europe fantasyland while trying to fight an empire. Even Leif was still heads and shoulders above being a commoner. He himself isn't special but he's still Cuan's son and heir to Lennster which serves as a rallying cause for a bunch of people and he manages to easily acquaint with people who are royalty or whatever just because he's a prince. He's still more of a chosen one than Ike because while he himself isn't that special, people still believe him to be their last hope from even before meeting him. Ike on the other hand had barely anyone have faith in him for the first dozen chapters or so.