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A case can be made for him being scum trying to coast because of this as well. ##Unvote ##Vote Rapier Get in here.

##Vote Snike

I AM SPAMMING THIS THREAD BECAUSE I HAVE NOBODY TO TALK TO. What the fuck please come play mafia people.

(assuming they hit town, which they are naturally more likely to do due to numbers)

Also, further reason there's only two scum: If we have a TOWN KIDNAPPER, they haven't claimed yet. An Interceptor has already flipped. The kidnapper blocks votes. So, following a D1 mislynch, scum could kidnap a townie, kill another, then kill a third via proper Interceptor prediction. With three townies dead and another voteblocked, town would only have two players capable of voting. Meaning that scum would win. On Day 2. There is absolutely no way this is fair in any sense of the word, even if we have a Roleblocker, Doc and Cop. Keep in mind that Scum Goon is not on the role list, meaning scum would have a THIRD power role as well as Kidnapper / Interceptor, when those two roles are already very powerful. I've also been told there's a town killing role in the set-up (can't shoot more than once), which just makes an earlier scum win more probable. If anything, we might have a Survivor. Probably Rapier because he apparently doesn't give a shit about this game if he's going to tell us to find a lynch then disappear.

Also we have less than 24 hours left. Where the hell is everybody. I still want claims sent to Strawhaze and I since we might as well be confirmed and I can contact Haze over Steam even when I'm not able to get on IRC, making planning out rolegaming while Manix is silenced convenient.

I was referring to before the cop claim.

Also, I'm going to request that people claim2Strawman/Haze and me/Kaoz to speed the game up, since we're pretty much confirmed town. No, there aren't three scum in a game with an Interceptor and a yet-unclaimed killing role unless Kay needs better set-up reviewers.

Because anything else is imba as fuck? Why would you ask this? ##Vote Excellen Process of Elimination. Strawman and I are clear. Rapier is townier than you for reasons already described, and you spent D1 acting suspicious of Cam but not actually voting him, which is pretty much the most blatant associative tell around. Iris' doc claim looks good given the flip of a scum interceptor. The last possibility is Manix risking that the game lacks any sort of real cop, which is stupid enough that I'm not going to risk it.

Yeah fuck you too IPB3 :| ##Unvote ##Vote No Lynch Iris is unlikely to be lying by virtue of no counterclaim. If she is scum who guessed the lack of a doc, then her kill options are severely limited, and Interceptor makes a lot less sense. I'm thinking NL is the best option right now and that we should let the cop enter tomorrow with two results. Shinori's roleblock should help clear another player as well. Again, 6/3 is very unlikely. Worst case scenario, we have a survivor somewhere as well as the last scum. Would prefer to wait until tonight before discussing this further in hopes that the kidnap will wear off when the day ends. For various reasons, I'm not worried about the kidnapper striking a second time.

##Unvote##Vote No LynchIris is unlikely to be lying by virtue of no counterclaim. If she is scum who guessed the lack of a doc, then her kill options are severely limited, and Interceptor makes a lot less sense. I'm thinking NL is the best option right now and that we should let the cop enter tomorrow with two results. Shinori's roleblock should help clear another player as well. Again, 6/3 is very unlikely. Worst case scenario, we have a survivor somewhere as well as the last scum.Would prefer to wait until tonight before discussing this further in hopes that the kidnap will wear off when the day ends. For various reasons, I'm not worried about the kidnapper striking a second time.

Shinori's claim is good enough for now based on how he played it. I thought about it further, and decided that Town RBer is a shitty claim for a Scum RBer with only one scum left, since it means you have to clear another player each night if roleblocks stop the kill. Again, there's still no way the set-up has three scum unless Kay hates town wins. So yeah, even if scum!Shinori isn't really ruled out, it's the same situation as with Rapier in that the possibility is unlikely enough that I'd rather foucs on other players. Excellen doesn't read like scum to me, just like a very thick-headed and tunnely player, but his selective scumhunting is pretty terrible. At the start of the day, Aurora, Shinori, Strawman and Iris had all contributed very little, and he went for the one that currently looks the towniest. <_< Why would you do this. I kind of get the impression he's not even reading the posts of anybody other than himself and his target. ##Unvote ##Vote Iris / Pika Their playerslot has a bunch of :words: but none of the :words: contain useful contribution. I can't recall much from Iris, which gives the impression she's letting Pika play for her in-thread. This post is terrible and consists entirely of defense and waffles. Everything else is an "I don't know". IRL business is understandable, but if you have to write a large post defending yourself, then you have the time to read and drop a vote. Manix is Probably Town, Strawman/Haze are neutral, currently wish that Strawman would be more specific with his targeting and would post his priorities instead of just throwing out multiple suspects and then not voting any.

I may or may not have been roleblocked. Not confident in posting the information publically. Will think this through after talking to Shinori.

Oh, that works out conveniently. So, where are you guys? I haven't seen reason to switch my vote. Shinori's recent posts have seen passive-aggressive and I don't think it looks good that he's not willing to seriously commit to anything.

So uh, isn't deadline in, like, a few hours? Votals + time would be appreciated so I can get down to business and remember how much progress has been made today. I don't want a NL when we have a scumflip. This game seems to consistently have all the day phases happen when I'm busy or exhausted for school-related reasons, which makes OC difficult.

The scum sent on the kill. Which shouldn't matter, since there should only be one left alive, if we have any semblance of balance here.

Also, I don't think anything is the case. I'm just asking for clarity.

Because based on my knowledge, a certain other player could possibly be cleared as town depending on the answer, assuming I wasn't lie to about his role. How could that not matter? If scum can't kill and act at the same time, then anybody who has been proven to take an action is confirmed town.

*gotten the chance to

1. No, because 3 people voted for a NL, and if there are 3 scum then Kay needs better reviewers. 2. I see no reason to believe a Jailkeeper is in the set-up. If you mean a Kidnapper, then there's no reason for anybody to care until the role gets claimed. 3. Rapier is very unlikely to be scum. I am also of the belief that Excellen is town being incredibly silly. 4. The guy I'm voting. Also uncertain about Iris/Pika. Haven't gotten the get on IRC and talk with people since D2 started. Should be able to after school tomorrow, however.

I don't think Rapier is scum due to Cam's vote on him. There are likely only two scum, since one was a killing role in 9p, and going out of your way to lynch your only buddy on D1 is awful play when there are presumably a bunch of PRs around (Vanilla isn't on the role list), for reasons I shouldn't need to explain. The remaining scum would just get outed by role shenanigans. If Cam had voted in a way that made it seem he didn't expect he'd actually get Rapier lynched, it'd be more feasible, but it was the second vote on the wagon and I believe it pushed Rapier to have the most votes. ##Vote Shinori, who did just as little in discussion as Rapier did and has no such excuse. Looks like he did nothing in terms of participation before coming back to post once scum had already been caught. I'd have an easier time figuring things out if the mod answered my question.

@Mod: Are scum allowed to kill and act in the same night?

For what it's worth, though, I don't think Camtech's ED1 seemed blatantly scummy like eclipse said. From my experience, D1 No Lynch suggestions typically tend to come from overly cautious / paranoid newbtownies who don't understand how the game works in NOC, not scum. Is this different in OC? vOv

Also, I would encourage people not to claim to Manix until Camtech actually flips, for obvious reasons.

Fair enough. I question why Kay would put in a Rolecop instead of a Cop despite not putting Rolecop on the list, but... scum has no reason to initiate a 1 v 1 trade, as those naturally benifit town, especially in a game with a presumable 2 scum, where one scum dying means that their buddy has to solo the rest of the game. ##Unvote ##Vote Camtech