Eryon
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Makalov is not much worse than Joshua (ran away from home since he refused his responsibilities) and Dorothea (a proud golddigger who recognizes she'll get too old to pull off the singing waifu act so she needs a rich husband to give her things). He's just not pretty, not a waifu, and doesn't have a tragic past so he gets the heat dropped on him. Mark my words, if Makalov and Marcia's looks (and sexes) were swapped around but their personalities stayed Makalov would suddenly get notably less hostility.
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9 hours ago, vanguard333 said:
Medeus sided with Naga against the maddened Earth Dragons. He then abandoned his post watching the seal in order to found the Dohlr Empire. Medeus chose to inflict Manakete Supremacy upon the continent, when Naga's most notable decision was having to choose between imprisoning the maddened Earth Dragons or letting them wipe out humanity, and choosing to not let humanity get wiped out. Also, remember that humanity had yet to do anything to dragons at that point. I know nothing about Rhea; I have yet to play Three Houses.
Neither Gotoh or Xane actually digged humans before meeting Marth. Most dragons who aren't feral are seen in Medeus' empire.
The humans already had their shot to enforce Human Supremacy and it didn't go well for dragons. Hence Medeus acting against them. Note how we see no signs that the humans living in Dolhr fear the dragons and that the humans who stood with the dragons would've been enslaved or eaten once the war was over with Medeus' side victorious.
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One that's as anti-Humanity Fuck Yeah as possible. Like actually having the Naga analogue be pointed out as the Uncle Tom she is for aiding her kind's abusers. Actually having Medeus' analogue succeed and so stop humans from ruining the world/continent with God's wrath.
Three Houses really brought out the HFY (or just the craving for man-centered conquerors/dictators) element of the fanbase way out in the open considering Edelgard's and/or Nemesis' apologists.
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Medeus is more moral than Naga and Rhea. Unlike them, he didn't choose to ultimately aid his kind's killers and/or slavers instead of forcing them to back off.
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I must say, seeing Tia mangle Guen both only for him to plot-cheat his way out of failing/dying there is damn cheap. It's like Kaga wanted Tia to reflect one of the themes this game has (namely that the game's events are bigger than one lord's journey and that there are other heroes than Runan and Holmes) but at the same time didn't want the game's Gharnef to be killed before he succeeded in his dastardly plan. So of course he didn't lose there and his plan carries on anyway.
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About the Pegasus Knights, it wasn't until T776 that we heard word on pegasi actively avoiding males as riders. And that was really more of a soft retcon to address how they stopped bothering to design male PKs post-Mystery.
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He acted no crueler than how humans acted to dragons/each-other. Note how he has plenty of human allies and humans living within his land (who show no signs of fearing the dragons within their borders). We see no dragons with dialogue opposing him outside of Naga's followers and Tiki.
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I shall say here that Medeus indeed did nothing wrong and that you will learn how that is so in Book Two. He's the closest character FE has to Magneto.
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Those Who Slither In The Dark overall are weird characters:
1. Kronya kills Byleth's father but she's ended rather underwhelmingly.
2. The few legit interesting characters among them are interesting from their ties outside of the organization.
3. Blue Lions ends with their leader killed off accidentally.
I'm sure they were supposed to be the big villain back when the game had just one path (which I'm sure was a composite of Blue Lion and Golden Deer where Byleth's posse take on the Slithers once Edelgard is beaten/dies). Problem was that the game went with the split path angle so there needed to be spreading of content around to fill all the paths. TWSITD suffered from this.
Not helping them is how they come off as a way for Edelgard and Co. to be party to atrocities but still have an out so that Byleth can join them. It'd be silly for him to just join them if one of Edelgard's little friends stabbed papa to death.
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32 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
You don't seem to understand that anything that Rhea or scripture would say is biased, at best her perspective and sometimes even an outright lie. You have no actual knowledge of the motives involved in the past conflicts.
You haven't given much grounds not to take the info we're told that isn't "meanie dragon."
You make a lot of assumptions but with no insight whatsoever on the world before the conflict and that is because the game does not provide much of it. At least from what I could tell. Of course humans aren't denied jobs in the current world as humans is all there is left. I'm not claiming to have insight either but I can raise possibilities that you refuse for some reason to even consider.
Please. Rhea had she been more fierce on regulating human depravity and/or putting humans in their place could have just designed the empire to worship the emperor with those sharing his blood as one divinely ordained cast (with scripture outright telling so). She did not.
I don't consider that out of the realm of possibilities at all. We're never really made aware of what Agarthans were really like and what were their motives in the war. They also may have little to do with what they've become centuries later as "TWSITD".
TWSITD did not show they wish to share a world with dragons or move on from the war which they lost.
Yes, I did mean the western church. Outright killed the Bishops she had captured and many before that, like Christophe. Not a single one with the knowledge that she is a dragon.
So you're ignoring their ties to the genocidal TWSITD and them waging war.
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14 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
I've no knowledge of why the Agarthians were at war against the dragons and you're not showing me that you do either.
You're the one who refuses to take what we're told from Rhea and scripture since it doesn't fit your narrative of humans being entitled to commit genocide.
You don't know whether humans suffered from racism at the hand of the dragons or not. It may be that dragons intended to keep humans under their rule, confined to their space, and I can see why some would want to rebel against that.
Lay off the HFY. We are not shown Rhea properly ruling Fodlan despite plenty of time to do so. No speaking of humans as filth. No barring humans from job. Saying that is like Jews were racist against the Germans, Armenians racist against the Turks, etc. Humans are from all the sources the privileged kind if there is one.
They built weapons to wage war as did all in history that have waged war. This seems completely irrelevant to me. What are you even saying.You're spinning a belligerent kingdom as being attacked by meanie dragons from the dragons racist against them. Considering what we know from official history, the word of TWSITD (namely Nemesis being a criminal), and what we learn from Path GD your narrative is just more HFYism.
If they were not targeted, I don't see why they'd end up having to live in the shadows.The West's governments strongly crack down on terrorist organizations like ISIS and the Aryan Brotherhood. The latter especially since White Males do not at all suffer from racism in the First World.
Plus you've seen what Rhea did to anyone that would oppose the Church.
You mean the West Church (ties to the genocidal TWSITD who engaged in war) or Edelgard's empire (which demands to rule the continent unopposed).
It's likely she would have destroyed all that is left if given the chance. That too is genocide.
I'll wait for you to show Thoese Who Slither In The Dark being willing to share a world with the dragons if ever offered terms for surrendering their weaponry and agreeing the obey the law.
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TWISTD's own leadership says Nemesis was a bandit.
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Nemesis was just a human who got a taste for supreme power and acted accordingly. Even if he didn't have much of a problem with dragons, he still carried out TWSITD's instuctions (if only to thank them for their aid).
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For revenge on how the war went badly for them. They're more or less Neo-Nazis who say Hitler did nothing wrong or modern apologists for Soviets, Castro, etc.
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14 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
I don't know enough about the war Nemesis led to take a side. What exactly makes Nemesis so clearly the villain here?
Being the one who engaged in genocide. Just as how Hitler is condemned. Hitler believed the Jews needing to expelled or exterminated in order to save Germany. With modern Germans well ashamed of their history back then (complete with accommodations for Jews.)
14 minutes ago, Vince777 said:Nor if the Agarthians deserved to be banished.
Are you denying the Agarthians built war machines and used ultraviolence?
14 minutes ago, Vince777 said:They also suffered a genocide of sort, I believe, since their society was made to collapse and the remnants of them only remained in the shadows for so long.
Their society collapsed in war with others (namely Sothis) ala Rome during its fall. They did not surrender or apologize or dismantle their weapons. Not genocide since nothing says they were targeted for what they were systemically rather in the wages of war (which they were engaging in on a high level).
14 minutes ago, Vince777 said:They used the bones of vanquished dragons during the war to fight but they also did because those held tremendous power.
You're an apologist for genocide now.
14 minutes ago, Vince777 said:eah, they're very shady and not exactly recommendable but it isn't clear they were this way before and this is the sort of thing that happens constantly to marginalized groups when they get desperate.
They were not being targeted for what they are and had plenty of time to stop waging war while giving an apology. There is no society on Fodlan where humans suffer from racism at the hands of dragons rather than other humans either.
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23 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
I'm unconvinced Edelgard would harbor similar hatred towards the dragonkin had they not been deceptive and ruling through their imposed and promoted caste system. She likely doesn't hate Rhea because she's a dragonkin but hate the dragonkin because they are Rhea.
Nobody pointed a gun at the heads of the men who passed on what they wanted to their sons (which is more or less the source of nobility) or ensured their heirs had what they wanted them to have. Your claim that the dragons were deceptive (in a continent where they had a genocide inflicted on them with no reparations or apologies) ignores the atrocities by Nemesis/TWSITD (which Edelgard never recognizes either).
Your narrative of the dragons forcing the noble humans (goddamn HFYers...) into using crests how they did ignores how scripture says nothing of the crest-users having such a position in society or being required to engage in such brutal experiments. Appreciate them yes (so that the remnants of her kind be honored without seeking retribution against the kind who wronged them), do what the crest-wielding humans like the imperial nobility or TWSITD did (who indeed played a major part in how the crests were used in Fodlan) no.
Rhea is not an overlord no matter how hard you want her to be so she can be the untermensch to be exterminated. Even if she was, Edelgard never says conquering and ruling others is wrong. No no, Rhea is ultimately just a coward who did the bare she needed to keep Fodlan remotely stable so she could focus on what she wanted (her mother, and perhaps her kind returned in time). Rhea would not be the king Fodlan deserved (the king who'd regulate human's inborn sinfulness), nor did she work to make a human one.
23 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
Regarless, it remains inconsequential in that it isn't actually her focus. She would have led the same rebellion had Rhea just been human and would have hated her just as much. You haven't addressed that.
You're ignoring TWSITD's impact now.
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15 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
It strikes me as a manner to highlight her deception. She lies to the people about her true nature and she lies about history. She does so to maintain the status quo.
Tell us more on how calling a non-human a monster in human skin isn't labeling someone a beast to be destroyed. Considering how humans act towards other humans (see White America's treatment of the indigenous inhabitants of the continent) and just what happened with Nemesis, Rhea has solid enough grounds not to trust too many humans with knowledge of her heritage (alongside keeping silent info on the locations of other dragons). And her lies about history (wrongfully) favored humans rather than condemned them (despite genocide against her kind).
15 minutes ago, Vince777 said:There is no doubt to me that Edelgard would still have wanted the end of the Church and the nobility regardless of whether Rhea is human or not. It is just not her focus.
Those Who Slither In The Dark oppose Rhea largely from their hatred of dragons (ala how Neo-Nazis contine to hate Jews). It's apparent enough that much of her attitude was nurtured by them.
So there are endings with Edelgard still leading Fodlan. I had not seen them. However, I doubt Edelgard/Lysithea should be considered the canon ending, were there to be one. They're not even from the same class. Multiple endings with bring about many flavour endings. When unpaired, she eventually abdicates. That seems more canon to me.
Nothing says her even winning the war is canon to begin with. How Edelgard acts in paired endings points to her being fine with ruling herself for all the foreseeable future but her shortened lifespan makes her pursue finding a successor (unless the already mentioned curing happens).
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38 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
I had actually forgotten about Rhea's nature. Regardless, there is a great total of three of those characters and her motivation for their removal isn't their racial nature in particular. Edelgard would not have acted any differently had Rhea just been human.
You're telling us to ignore Edlegard's every time bringing up Rhea not being a human. I'll also throw in her words on Claude being a foreigner.
No, I would not automaticly assume humans to be the "good guys". I would seek rebellion against a class system that's passed on through blood, however.
You need to demonstrate that humans past the small tribal level don't have an inner habit of making societies that have entrenched elites. And that fathers don't make systems that let them pass on what they want to their sons. Don't get me started on how nebulous a notion "merit" is.
You also need to demonstrate humans are better behaved absent of such blood rule. The behavior of elected or republican officials in Athens, Rome, Nazi Germany suggest otherwise.
Also, I remind you all of the endings that hint nothing of Edelgard abdicating the throne:
Edelgard x LysitheaAfter the war, Edelgard and Lysithea threw themselves\ninto the fight against those who slither in the dark.\nThe struggle was long and arduous, but not without its\nbenefits. With careful analysis of ancient techniques,\nthey discovered ways to recover the years of life that had\nbeen stolen from them. Afterwards, the new Adrestian\nemperor and Lysithea, her trusted officer, devoted the\nrest of their lives to Fódlan's rule. For her counsel in\ninstituting class reforms and ensuring the independence of\nthe people, Lysithea came to be known as the Wisdom of\nthe Empire. The pair of talented women ushered Fódlan\ninto a new age of innovation and prosperity.
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The DS games include extra difficulty options known as Lunatic. They do change enemy positions, but largely their difficulty comes from how the enemies' strengths do remain sizeable past earlygame.
In action:
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15 minutes ago, Vince777 said:
Edelgard gave away her position right after accomplishing her goal
Enough non-solo endings have her rule well past the game's events.
she doesn't seek to eliminate people based on ethnicity, like Hitler hoped to do.
She yaps about monsters-in-human-skin and about reptilians (an antisemitic codeword) "controlling" humanity. You don't associate it with the racial/ethnic violence committed under the Nazi regime or in America under Deist Founding Fathers since you see humans as the "good guys" who are always entitled to wage war on non-humans (especially with how Rhea is more or less a Holocaust survivor). -
That's more of a joke. I do maintain that a well-working society by design is always totalitarian insofar government by design is always totalitarian.
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Edelgard is well in line with the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Jefferson, etc. in that they believe they need to destroy the world and/or exterminate the untermensch in order to save the ubermensch (in this case, Edy and her lackeys) from the chains of tradition and permit them to operate on sheer will-to-power.
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There is no better way for a game like Fire Emblem to handle Hard Modes than upping stats and giving dangerous skills.
The stat inflation has grown so much that your units are guaranteed more than not to overpower the enemy by midgame at the least. Depending on puzzle gimmicks like those sinking tiles in Blazing Blade depends on sucker-punching the player. Ranks tell the player how to play.
The method of difficulty done in the DS Remakes works since enemies remain a reliable danger so you can't just steamroll (at least not without careful planning) but they aren't tedious to kill since their defense doesn't get notably high.
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Edelgard is in the position Light Yagami was where more or less nobody sides with her for her but from agreeing with her politics. Making her the undispusted big enemy wouldn't shift that.
What is your unpopular Fire Emblem opinion?
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Anyway, here's some THs ones:
1. As pointed out above, the game letting you recruit most opposing House members is a copout. And a sign that IS is still stuck in their "the player is never wrong and can do no wrong" policy. Going in line, there should be situations where members of Houses actively defect without rejoining (depending on route).
2. Byleth is the worst example of a FE protagonist. She's too flat and uncompelling to be a proper protagoinst but at the same time is way too defined and important to just be a player surrogate. We ended up with the worst possible situation, especially since Byleth is no better than Robin or Corrin in that he's treated as some saintly wise figure the 3 House leaders need to not miserable failures and/or butcherers of civies in Edelgard's case.
3. Edelgard is just another Light Yagami where no one sides with her for her ignoring her looks, but from agreeing with her politics. If you're at the point of saying Rhea is Hitler despite Edel's obvious Germanic shtick and mass conquest and her forces using civilians as hostages then you're obviously saying that burning the world down for some nebulous better one is okay as long it's done to end the chains of traditon so the higher man, the more entitled man, the ubermensch (this can be the proletariat under the Soviets, Robespierre's Cult of Supreme Being, etc.) can operate on sheer will-to-power unopposed (or something). Making your admiration for ultraviolence by the "right" men apparent.
4. Once it's 2020, THs will finally lose it's shield from not being Fates be put under far more scrutiny.