Eryon
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7 hours ago, Metakirby said:
the world is freed of the church.
You'd need to demonstrate that humans behave better absent the dragon designed system for that to be the case (the actions of Nemesis and his handlers point otherwise, note how it is repeatedly only humans in legit control of themselves who resort to genocide when dealing with other species in FE). I don't recall the church forcing the nobility to act the way they do. Mass butchers like the Soviets and French Revolutionaries have a habit of blaming one obvious scapegoat for all they hate in society and denying or excusing their own sins.
Anyway, it's obvious that the routes were knowingly designed so that you never get the complete picture unless you play them all.
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4 hours ago, Humanoid said:
That's not to say there's been no progress - after all, the previous game literally had white kingdom vs dark kingdom. But what happened in 3H is a result of fear - an unwillingness to create a story with no explicit villain for people to unite against.
How is that fear? Looks to me the devs might've for once sincerely listened to the fans and tried to avoid the problems Fates' plot had (namely, Anankos).
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In regards to the continent directed by a sect of dragons, I'll point out that the series has repeatedly shown dragons as more than not less twisted than humans are. Indeed, even back Marth's game the current war was invited by human depravity. Let alone humans starting the Scouring, unleashing the demon king, helping awaken the goddess, creating Grima.
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4 hours ago, Etheus said:
Everything wrong with religion, both in modern and historical times is embodied proudly by the Church of Seiros, often to the extreme. They have to be destroyed.
Religious wars and violent schisms.
Devaluing outsiders.
Harsh punishments for non-believers and apostates.
Religious indoctrination masquerading as private school education.
Private religious armies and police forces. In this case, the dominant power of the world to boot.
Child soldiers manipulated into participating in religious wars.
Justifying atrocities (like the intentional burning of the Kingdom's capital city by the church literally right after their king Dimitri had just died protecting the Church) as necessary for a holy cause (defeating Edelgard).
Fodlan is a theocratic nightmare. Edelgard is right, and Rhea is a monster. TWSITD could be removed from the game entirely with no negative effect on the plot because we already have a plot-defining villain in Rhea.
Considering there's no evidence that man behaves kinder absent of an authority like the Church in the real world let alone FE (as demonstrated by endings where Edelgard fails), your post falls apart. I don't remember Stalin, Hitler, Thomas Jefferson, etc. being legit Catholics or proper Sunnis. Let alone when looking at FE with actions of men like the imperial nobility.
Actually, considering the behavior of TWSITD's homeland I imagine Seiros saw the writing on the wall when it came to how filthy man is when he has nothing to fear and acted suitably.
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Hmm, that works too. That'd require more detail on the place of Marks in Judgrali society. It could also work as a deterrent against rabble rousers rallying around bastards or something.
Another one would be giving more info on Arvis' relation with Saias. Confirmation whether he knew the boy was his son or not.
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I'll cover Judgral and Binding Blade:
Judgral
*Reverse the scenario of Julia becoming enslaved by Manfroy. Instead of the master schemer suddenly declaring to throw his life's work down the drain just to be mean to Seliph, have Julius order Manfroy who reluctantly goes along with it.
*Actually address how nobody noticed Deirdre's Mark of Naga behind her circlet. Even if you have to say that Sigurd DID see it when Seliph was conceived and wasn't ignorant enough of his history to know what it means, so he kept quiet about it.
*Give more detail on how the conspiracy worked. Old he may be, Azmur should consider it suspicious that the men who head the court are the ones yelling that two from all evidence loyal men are behind his son's murder, especially with how those same men had a history of feuding with one of those men.
*Actually include background info that makes Raydrick the big shot he's supposed to be. I actually find him a neat character knowing all I do about him and the idea suggested on reddit that his dynamic with Veld is something of a dark mirror of August's with Leif.
Binding Blade
*Jahn exposition needs to be available earlier in the game to avoid plot dumping.
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I don't know what makes TC think the problems noted in this thread with past plots is one of Magic VS Politics.
Like, I don't see how Anankos/Garon's issue is that they're magical (being a dragon/water zombie). Their issue would be that they're Generic Doomsday Villains who have either have no legit personality with a suitable ideal/belief/vision for society/low desire for money and women or are too silly for their situation. Anankos also suffers from being a contrivance to let Corrin marry from both sets of royal siblings and to force a team-up between Hoshido with Nohr.
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Azura served the following roles:
1. Provide exposition.
2. Give Corrin an excuse to invade Hoshido but don't without being the villain and lower responsibility.
More of a device than a character.
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Azura is just a failed attempt to make Lewyn, Ninian, and Lucina into one big mix.
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From what's known of the overall plot, I'm leaning towards the Church Path being the one with the best shot of getting for a sequel:
-Actually has a confrontation with Thales, the man behind it all apparently.
-Keeps the Church of Seiros going strong and not crushed or subordinate to an empire.
-Kills off Edelgard and ends her dream of world empire.
-Ends Demitri
-Claude survives from what I recall.
-Byleth becomes king.
All in all, the Church's route manages to both maintain enough of a status quo but puts in juuust enough new events in Fodlan history to keep things interesting.
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How is the Black Eagles being more imporrant than other houses any different from past games where one Lord in a set was more important than other Lords (Alm over Celica, Eliwood over Hector and Lyn regardless of Lyn being used as a poster girl, Eirika over Ephraim, Ike over Micaiah, Chrom and Robin over Lucina)?
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Genealogy has the obvious advantage over other games where it can easily have the mechanics in Awakenfates AND Three Houses inserted. Binding Blade can't since only a few characters are offspring of the Blazing Blade cast and only retcons would change that.
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Awakening
*Decide ahead of time if the game is meant to be a reboot or a direct continuation of Marth's saga. Have the lore be shaped accordingly (no wishy-washy info on the First Exalt which can't make up its mind if he's Marth or not, Grima's lack of backstory, the introduction of effective laguz)
*Either remove the children and time-travel or make them the heroes after Chrom with the time-travel saved for a 3rd arc. The 2nd one has no Valm.
*Grima needs to offer a solid ideology he can sell to the elites in Plegia (not so much the masses). He can lie and have them buy into it so they'll do his bidding until it's feeding time, but even with that it needs to have something that would sell to them as Christianity, Islam, etc. did.
Fates
* Scrap Revelation and Valla with the other parts shifted accordingly.
*Have the Dawn and Dusk Dragons be using Hoshido and Nohr to wage their own conflict. Give them their own schemes and world views as to how they think their way is the best way forward for the world. (For instance, the Dusk Dragon actually has a well intentioned plan of cloaking the world in darkness and making everything in it immortal. Creating a world without death. Something that sounds nice on paper but is horrific when actually analyzed.)
*Make Anankos a notable dragon but not the ultimate enemy. He tried to curtail dragon interference in human culture but failed. He sired Corrin and assigned Lilith to watch over him/her. No more Valla and whatnot.
*Transfer Iago to Hoshido and make him a Dawn Dragon cultist that's doing mean stuff and escalating the conflict to make Hoshido a bit less squeaky clean but still on the defense. Zola can take all of Iago's roles from the Nohr side of things since they're similar enough.
*You actually have to kill plenty of the other faction's playable units. Then fight them in the final chapter. (The Dawn/Dusk Dragon raising them.) The royals surrounding the final boss.
*Xander has to be reworked. Make him aware that Garon is a vicious conqueror, but he follows and permits war crimes since he HATES Hoshido.
*Garon is trying to make his empire grow and has no idea that the Dusk Dragon is using him to push his own agenda. He can see Corrin as disposable to a point, but not be over-the-top in wanting to see dragongirl suffer. But still have him do nasty acts like oppress the Ice Tribe and Cheve, seeing them as needed actions in war against Hoshido at least.
*Don't kill Mikoto in Chapter 5. Have her be the benevolent ruler not aware of things her meaner underlings are doing behind her back in Birthright, but she with Hoshido's raised dead are the final defense of Hoshido in CQ. -
25 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:
I don't think that really requires much explanation. Historically poor countries were always good at fighting because if they didn't take food through fighting they'd starve to death. Famous examples of this being the Mongols and Vikings. I also think Nohr is supposed to be poor in terms of food but not necessarily stuff like iron which would be a callback to Tracia which supposedly also had plenty of iron despite being poor.
The Mongols ran a giant family protection racket which depended on the cooperation of non-nomads (namely Han collaborators), with their empire falling to the garbage once they lacked the means to bribe collaborators and threaten dissidents with extermination combined with guaranteed ethnic/racial conflict. They were also not "poor" in the way Nohr supposedly is (far smaller population than a sedentary state, has proportionately more healthy and able men at war).
We don't see Nohr making any offers to other countries beyond "do what we see or we'll torch you." No signs of any major collaborations with Hoshidans.
Also, Thracia wasn't their world's superpower. That was Grannvale. Indeed, they lose the one war they get into with them.
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Valla is just a contrivance so there's a third kingdom that Hoshido and Nohr can unite against for the Golden Ending. Don't dwell too hard on it. Doubt the developers did.
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Fates' Golden End failed since it depended on Azura just not telling anyone who'd want to stop Anankos about her world saving information besides Corrin.
Whether Three Houses' fails is a matter of what prevents Sothis or Byleth from jumping straight into the Golden Ending regardless of path.
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More or less every one of the royals would make a more worthy Lord than Corncob since they're legit royalty of their kingdoms who have actually fought with their subjects and seen their struggle. Instead of being stuck in fort for most of life.
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On 5/17/2019 at 1:36 PM, ΔZZ said:
Well it could be like holy blood where the oldest inherits the major crest and after that anyone else born inherits a minor crest. Idk tbh, I'm just trying to think of reasons as to why only Felix out of all the characters has a major crest while everyone else (besides Byleth, which makes sense as to why they would have a major) has a minor crest (especially the main trio).
Holy Blood in Judgral was not passed to the eldest automatically. We have cases of younger siblings having Major over the elder (Lene and Cairpre, Ishtor and Ishtar).
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It's hard to believe she would have had no memories of her family. Especially when you recall she should have had a caretaker or at least a guardian who got her to safety.
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Dark Magic is well, Dark. As in Nosteratu, etc.
Black Magic is the classic fire water wind spellcast.
My complaint, the names are so far iffy. They both more less say the same name.
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The twist with Micaiah and Sanaki being sisters is just poorly done. It doesn't really serve any purpose besides introducing a "lost princess" element of Micaiah's character she didn't ever need. Raises questions on how she doesn't show signs that she remembers her family considering how much older she obviously is than Sanaki.
If we must have Micaiah be a blood relative of Lehrah, it'd be easier to say that she's just a rogue descendant rather than Sanaki's sister.
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The question of what remake comes next depends on what Three Houses turns out to be.
One could assume that they won't make another "bare bones" remake like Echoes considering the success of Neo-Fire Emblem. Remember, there's a distinct shot of the game coming out on Nintendo's Switch and so they'll count on it to carry the franchise for the console.
So accepting that, one could ask between Binding and Genealogy which game would be easier to translate Neo-FE mechanics. And that's obvious.
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Asking if Seliph's rebels would ally with Trabant in this scenario would be better described as asking if Lewyn says to do so. And how he would act in regards to Leif in this world (remember, Augustus was under his orders).
Lewyn should see the pros and cons. He'd see that while Trabant might have the advantage in sheer force, he earned the enmity of the north through his murder Quan with Ethlyn. Which while might not matter in the quick, will matter when sorting out the peninsula.
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Honestly I chalk all the talk on how Sigurd supposedly walked into his fate from his failings as failing at showing instead of telling.
We're supposed to see him as indeed naive and a hapless rube, but he's not. He hardly makes serious mistakes that other men in his position wouldn't make (like the already mentioned attack on Verdane, seeing as how Sigurd would have had casus belli to behead Sandima himself). It's less that he's defeated from his foul-ups and more that his enemies were better coordinated so they won. The only point against Sigurd that sticks out to me is the one on Deirdre's brand, and I chalk THAT up on the weird writing surrounding her.
TLDR Kaga tried but didn't do so.
I want another villain like Grima*3H spoilers*
in General Fire Emblem
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That speaks more on how Anankos is a poorly handled villain (namely from how he manages to both do too much in the story yet be so unneeded in the setting as an active force) than about Garon's strength as a character.
CQ's key failing is that it's ultimately a villain campaign but still tries to frame the Lord as a force for righteousness ala Marth. Hence contrivances like Azura's ball that let Corrin be able to help crush Hoshido but still be "a hero."