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##Vote: Kay yeah, nice block there as for scum, I kept thinking that snike couldn't be mafia and was sk since persuader working in potential mylo/lylo was too much for mafia and that wren was mafia if kay was, but with the jankill and scorri assuming I'm mafia and xinnidy and snike both town... are you that sure wren was sk? this seems fishy as hell, as scorri would only be sure that sk wasn't around anymore if she was scum or if she was the sk herself. right now I'm thinking that either wren was sk and scorri is mafia or scorri is the sk and xinnidy mafia. snike is probably town at least,

dude, scorri and I were discussing the possibility of a interceptor just the last page, how did you miss that? I'm coroner, not janvig so we're discussing the possibility that there's an interceptor since no one's claimed vig. should prob take that into account if you're basing your suspicions on rolespec, which I frankly don't think is the best idea do you read from Shinori's I'M SK outburst that he's actually the sk?

I keep getting ninja'd by you, but yeah, it does make sense. Still think Shinori's scum either way.

both SB and Mancer had active roles, so interceptor does make sense. I think ammy was asking because prims mentioned it, though. This contradicts shinori's claim that no one targeted paper even more, unless this also is about priorities but that just seems like too much.

hm, is it unthinkable that mafia or sk had extra kills in a setup with 15 town? We probably would have been able to avoid this situation if not for modkills and stupid play, so I can buy scum having more killing capabilities.

Okay, so I'm home! First off: I'm a two-shot coroner, BBM was town redirector. Didn't see a reason to out this earlier, because the two-shot implied more jankills so I figured I'd wait for more information first. Character is Cecil. speaking about BBM I'm not one to talk but I wish other people were as dedicated as you ;_;##Vote: Shinori Even if the 1-1 with Ammy can be explained by priorities, immediately arguing that Ammy must have been lying and using Mancer's "I hate you guys"-post to prove it isn't a very convincing case, and the rest of your defense is basically I KNOW I'M TOWN. That SK stunt you pulled reads as either a very desperate try to not get lynched this phase since we really should go for mafia or just a bad joke. It'd not helping town either way. Also that jump on scorri wasn't very good, if the numbers and roles doesn't match up it obviously means someone is lying, do you have any good reasons to believe scorri's lying than anyone with the claimed roles? That said, you do have some good points on Baldrick's claimed actions being a bit weird. My main problem with Baldrick is that his slot was Cam's so he doesn't have as much content to speak of, but aside from weird use of night actions I don't have much problems with him. WREN is clear only because of Kay, and if Kay is scum it's hard to prove that WREN is anything anyway with that content. I'm inclined to believe these two are of the same alignment, if Kay is town then she's speaking the truth, and if she's scum it's pretty easy to throw out any alignment on wren who's coasting so presenting a town result on maf!wren is an easy way to keep coasting. I'm inclined to think Snike is the sk actually, that doesn't contradict persuader and I think Prims was onto something when he threw that statement out. Agree with scorri that he's probably not mafia though, meaning I don't think we should lynch him this phase. Xinnidy and scorri are basically vanilla and I don't think they can directly prove anything, and if any of them are scum I think it's more likely Xinnidy, but right now I suspect Kay/wren more than these or baldy. @scorri: I'm not sure, what if scum manages to hit sk, or sk is compulsive? Don't think no lynch is any less riskier.

except for the attitude part cam was worse in every way since he didn't even have reads to speak of. depending on baldrick I'd rather turbolynch him than ammy, though ammy needs to come up with more content too.

oh and as I said I'll be out of the country from later today until Monday night so content will be sparse but I'll try to check sometimes

I had prepared a full rant on Mancer for pushing Shin with the tenacity he did just because Shin unflinchingly believed a mason claim but then he went on and died >: ( that turbolynch had a bunch of half-assed votes including Xinnidy and Shinori who did it just to get the lynch off their own asses, Paperblade went ROLESPEC and elie???? I'd vote for modkillI still want Shinori lynched, saying someone tried to kill Paperblade after he announced his vest broke proves nothing and he still hasn't explained his cases yesterday. I want explanations on your scumreads other than 'meh I fail :((((((' and if your excuse is that you were completely out last phase please step it up and scumhunt now. could you other people who're voting ammy explain your votes? I get that prims don't like the 'waaahhh reading/playing is effort, why do I even bother part' but I don't think his stuff is so bad to warrant a turbolynch like this. especially snike going all 'bah I suck sheep sheep all the way' is ascghjgkkg do you even think ammy is scum? what the hell manBoth Shinori and Snike are scumreads but I still want explanations for last phase first ##Vote: Shinori

You forgot to remove a bunch of people voting Shinori and Shin, 5 > 3 people

It's not that, I live in GMT + 1 is all and I'm definitely asleep at that point if I have any sense

0/10 would not voteThe thing about Cam is that he's been practically unactive, with what little content he's had been bad, but I've had no real reason to vote him as long as I have people I find scummier. D1 I was rather lame and not very active, I admit that, but I still think both Helios and Cam were really bad in that they had sparse content throughout the game and didn't bother comment on anything properly, with sheepish reads and bad play. It didn't seem like they were paying attention at all. Helios was in fact paying so little attention that he got himself modkilled, and it kinda affected my read on Cam as I had found them scummy for the same reasons. At the same time Shinori went from a null read D1 to acting all panicky and nonsensical on D2 and the last things he's done is going "halp im useless and so r my reads" and it's not lessening my read on him. He hasn't answered the questions in any satisfactory way, and he still hasn't provided his read on Darros, just that he's scum of some reason. His last vote on Paperblade was explained in his previous post where he admits that he hasn't really got much on him. wtf man. My vote stays on Shinori because he's so much more blatantly fumbling, but we should really vig Cam at this point because - Does some stuff in RVS and more or less disappear after - The things he's posted after that was an analysis on the Mancer/Elieson argument which was basically a couple of comments on Mancer's posts, defending his own RVS actions, unvotes and disappears. No other reads than "scorri's leaning town" - Comes back just before deadline, says "I have no idea what's going on but Mancer doesn't make sense" and votes Mancer before he disappears again. - Still hasn't voted despite occasional posts in the beginning of this phase, when both Shinori and Shin had started. No attempt at giving a proper read the whole game. He's so inactive that he's useless, and the little content he has got is not scumhunting at all. I'm not sold at the Xinnidy wagon. She had some posts where she waffled a bit and I don't agree with her vote on WREN, but I think her other posts have been okay. She explains her reasons for suspecting him better in her last post, and her waffling reads to me more like a style thing which she admits to and stops doing. Her last post has been pretty clear. Read through Eclipse's ISO, and she spends most of her time pushing BBM. I'm pretty sure it's not a bus and that the jankill is scum's, as with Eclipse as confirmed scum they had more reason to want BBM dead than SK. She also defends Darros pretty hard, and even posts like this one where she comments on him acting weird reads like buddying. In any case, I don't believe Darros to be scum. I would still like Shinori to elaborate his case on him. @Mancer yeah, thing is your bolded points doesn't make sense to press. Of course masons aren't fully confirmed to anyone but each other until one of them dies, but by outing themselves they're painting a big target on themselves. It's an extremely risky move as scum and is certainly not worth it in the long run. Town has no reason to doubt their claim unless they go like three phases without dying to neither sk or scum. Treating Elieson as town for this phase at least is not unnatural. I thought Mancer was playing a lot better at the beginning of the phase, his posts made sense and everything, but these last posts are starting to look like the Elieson argument all over again. How is it scummy to not doubt a mason claim again? Public notice: I'll be out of the country from thursday to monday so my activity these days will be sketchy at best, though I'll try to check sometimes. Sorry about this. Also won't see phase end because GMT 4:30 AM uh

Going to read what I've missed properly but Mancer, you're nitpicking too much again. Buying mason claims is a lot more easier than buying Prims getting a pm that says Elieson is town because scum playing mason in the presence a SK is beyond dumb. This should be pretty obvious, and if people can't figure it out on their own it doesn't mean they're scum, just that they're stupid or something. This is like you picking at Elieson with an argument that doesn't even indicate an alignment.

I agree with what Shin said wrt Prim's alignment, but I can't really see a case where it's make sense for Prims to say so if Elieson's scum. If Prims is scum and Elieson not, then yeah it'd be a gambit that makes sense, but how would this benefit Prims at all if Elieson's scum? Remember that you're voting Elieson here, not Prims. You make a good point but it's not quite consistent if you believe Elieson to be scum. Anyway, since Elie's more or less back, he should be able to hold his own rather than depend on Prims' pm.

???????? scorri hasn't done much and confuses you but Darros is definitely scum? Why aren't you voting him? I'd still like to hear your case on him in any case. You've also been flip-flopping on scorri, with saying you found her scummy but probably town because of the numbers claim, to the beginning of this phase where "she was probably town" to her now becoming scum? I agree that she's unmemorable, but voting her mainly because of Helios' informed claim is as dumb as not voting scorri just because of her numbers claim. What do you think is odd about his claim? And even barring the modkill we did have two kills N1, how did you miss that? It's more the fact that lying about stuff like this makes it look really, really bad if Elieson flips scum at some point, because then Prims almost certainly is scum too. Since he's ill IRL it's not worth pushing at until he gets back. Shin's vote for Elieson is worth pushing at and I'd like him to explain himself since his post made no sense but I don't have the conviction to vote him instead of Shinori right now.

and I still hold that Xinnidy was a wtf target for vouyeur since I really really would have picked Mancer

Oh that. Yeah, that was my derp, both scorri and Helios said "now my role is useless!" after their claim so I meant as in active role, since numbers/informed townie won't draw anything more interesting a vanilla claim would.

@Snike: I mentioned the numbers claim earlier. As I said, don't make rolespec the only reason you find someone townie. I mean SB was kidnapper

Also Marth can you update the subtext which says when phase ends and dead people and flips in the OP and just update properly in general

About Shinori, I'm one of those that got a null read out of the whole scorri/shinori argument because I felt it was mostly pointless squabble, but this bugs me: Actually this is what you said: I don't consider these to be quite the same, yesterday you indicated that the numbers claim was the main thing you found townie about scorri, and today it's switched to she's townie in general? What happened to make you change your opinion about her suddenly?In general I don't like his play today. Claiming voyeur out of the blue like that makes no sense. Why would you be sure a wagon was gonna build on you from one vote? Why try to target a random NK? Mancer had the only claimed role and would make much more sense considering it could potentially reveal roleblockers, redirectors or just kills. And even if Darros isn't gonna be around, please elaborate on your vote on him already. You had a FOS on him earlier, but he's posted a lot more since then and it'd be good if you said your opinions on said content. I agree on him wrt the Paperblade vote though, wasn't a very well explained vote, but please post the content you said you would. I still feel uneasy about Cam too, but at this point it reads more to me like he's no idea what he's doing/ genuinely stressed out irl which could be any alignment. Alignment-wise this goes for Shin too, who managed to miss both the part where Shinori mentions his target and Prims mentioning getting a pm that says Elieson's town. They're both playing like they're not paying attention properly but so was Helios (man, that modkill), and I really think they could stand to be pushed and explain themselves better. Cam, I get that you're busy but please make a vote. You should have scumreads by now. Gonna take a proper look at Eclipse and all the dead people, but Shinori should post his reads instead of just defending because he's not making sense ##Vote: Shinori

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why is prims voting prims

isn't the problem here that both mancer and lucina are keeping to their general meta regardless of alignment? lucina not posting much content and sheepish reads and mancer nitpicking on irrelevant stuff. I don't know enough about their specific alignment meta to comment on that, but they have a tendency to look bad.

man I forgot snike even was in this game

in terms of wagons my lynch preferences goes lucy > mancer > BBM > prims the thing about mancer is that while bad, pushing the way he did was bringing too much attention for nothing. Mancer flops around a lot anyway, and scum should have dropped it much sooner. I'd lynch lucina before him because her post and content is worse, her vote on prims was lame, she haven't tried explaining herself since, but if the mancer wagon gets enough momentum I don't mind switching. I got a null read from the shinori/scorri argument but I don't like how shinori said the number claim was the only thing keeping him from voting her. The rules say there are duplicate roles, don't hunt on role spec etc etc and apparently Helios got some info too. darros too is eh for saying he didn't want to vote because he was afraid for it looking like an OMGUS. if you've got a good reason it's not an OMGUS and outright saying you're mainly trying to look town right now isn't making it any better. about my Helios vote it was also timing, he had one post at the beginning of the game and one halfway, after things had started to happen, that was really bare and unhelpful. It felt more off than the early inactives, who posted befo things started to happen. Cam too posted late in the game with nothing useful. Seriously, am I the only one who's iffy on cam? All his posts are either hurr durr I'll post later or what are literally comments, and then he unvotes and leaves. Areox and elie also have barely been here or scumhunted, but cam's post's are pretty much active lurking. I don't see a cam lynch happening today though ##Unvote ##Vote: Lucina