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For me, it's not so much rolespec as your attitude on Mancer when he was messing around and screwing everyone, including himself, over. You're not any better now, you've basically given up on defending yourself and aren't contributing to scumhunting or voting anyone. You're being plain scummy.

In the announcement, Paperblade said SB was Shinori's scumbuddy. No one said he wasn't obvscum but even if we've eliminated a scum faction and SK there should still be one more scum faction left. I'm guessing this really is the case since there were no kills tonight. I've found Boron suspicious in the way she defended Mancer even when he was admitting he was lying, and her roleclaim doesn't help either. ##Vote: Boron

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I wasn't on irc yesterday because literally nothing was happening in this game For now ##Vote MancerNecro The only new thing you've told us is the details regarding your alignment, and I see no reason to take that PM at face value as you've been lying to us all the way before this. It's not like you haven't had the time to edit the PM as fit. Yes, it'd be nice if you really changed your alignment to town but at this point I can hardly trust you and you could be bullshitting about the requirements for alignment change anyway. Prims also claimed question asker to me, which is also an investigative ability. Cam is claiming cop, and you're saying there's another cop around here?

you don't have any logs to share Are you admitting Shinori wasn't lying but you were? You do realise that no one, neither town or scum, is gonna believe you'd want to help any of them? It's not a good reason for throwing claims everywhere at all!

logs pls

Mancer, you don't need to point out how Shinori's totally anti-town at this point. I'd rather you post the logs, because you're certainly not looking good either.

After talking to them, Mancer have outright admitted he's itp, and Shinori's denying to ever have claimed. I find Shinori more scummy tbh as Mancer probably is that box thing he says he is, ie neutral. I'd like to see Mancer's logs too, he said they'd be up hours ago. Both could go but right now ##Vote: Shinori

The not scum, not town part was posted on the previous page. Even if Shinori is scum and being really really fishy I'm having a hard time believing he actually claimed anti-town to Mancer N0. Or is this discussion about Shinori claiming different roles to Mancer and Paper?

Forgot that's the expression for the NOC variant but I get your point

Follow the cop then?

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I had the chance to vote on D2, but that was the phase where I kept nagging about not to hammer Shinori so yeah I'll totally be joining another game once I've got time seriously don't you guys have finals or anything

haha gg guys yeah as Eclipse's said, there was too much investigation. Considering all results were completely unreliable it would probably have been better with less investigative roles/without the mass tailor Anyway, it's not bad, everyone seemed to have a decent chance to win.

I'm in for ending night early

Forgot the part where Prims himself claimed to target you derp As mentioned earlier, there's still the possibility of there being vanillas in the game, so I'd say we look at what happens tonight first before massclaiming. No point in speculation about people at night, we should rather try to figure what roles are even in this game. Tailor and redirector seems likely, at least, and Marth did get a result of Rolecop. Rolecop is likely scum, but if Marth got redirected by scum it doesn't make sense to switch scum Shinori with scum Rolecop. If the Redirector is town then s/he knows who the Rolecop is, at any rate.

Scorri seems to have been gotten tailored and Marth redirected, though it would be quite a coincidence that scum hit the two roles that've claimed to have done something N0. Marth, do you know that you get targetet even when commuting?

That was utterly gay Manix, I'd like you to know that I really had fun though, to bad it ended like that.

Mancer, for a start, you should stop ending your posts with stuff like THIS IS NOT DISTANCING and I'M NOT BUDDYING since that's as convincing as saying I'M NOT SCUM. Prove your intentions through your content.

Elieson: Nighttalk is nice, but should be used in a different manner than daytalk. What has happened up to now, is that half the player's formed an opinion during night, the other half being practically silent due to cautioness or whatever, and then as day happens a wagon starts and the phase is almost over without a proper discussion on non-wagoned players. I use nighttalk myself, but I find day phases a lot more effective on discussions.

Marth's claimed night action doesn't make sense - if you thought a real doc would protect scorri, you'd assume they'd go for a kill on her. Why commute yourself if you'd doubt they go for you? aaand then out everything today Anyway, if Shinori's lynched today, flips town and you're still alive tomorrow then you're scum

Prims, BBM and Mancer are all more or less neutral - They've all been very active and posted a lot, so not all of their posts will be great, but the scummy things about them so far is Prims being very eager to secure lynches in all phases, BBM being rather defensive and Mancer is wording himself badly and being defensive. Shinori has got all that role/target mess on him and everything from his claims, other people's claims and his actions have been inconsistent. Elieson, why do you think nighttalk is as good as day talk? We're not able to put actual pressure on anyone during that phase

I already said I live in a different time zone than the rest of you. I was asleep during the whole D1 so the Blitz wagon came and went without me being conscious, that much should be clear if you've reread. No point in ranting about a wagon and lynch that's already happened. This was why I'm ranting about more daytime discussion, I didn't get to participate last time and this one was going just as fast. That post were made the first time Shinori were at L-1, six hours or so into the day phase. It was just silly. Anyway, had I not done that, the first thing you did when you came here were to vote, so we may not have had this discussion at all. I'm good with a Shinori lynch since it will clarify or mess things up even further depending on the flip, but my point is there's no hurry since a lynch is guaranteed at this point.

Paperblade: If Shinori is scum why the hell did you think he'd listen to you Elieson: Nighttalk is less safe than daytalk and phases in this game has been completely lopsided. Some crazy shit convincing needs to happen for there not to be a Shinori lynch today, so we're better off extending day such that we get more info and input from players such as Kay who literally has no day posts. As of now, day discussions have been onesided with turbowagons and we've got discussions on Mancer, Blitz, scorri and Shinori and two of these are dead town and Shinori's likely to be the next lynch. We know nothing about Kay, Paperblade's accused of coasting and everyone's saying SB looks bad and giving Marth a pass for the moment. Less day discussion will hurt us far more than scum Why so eager to hammer? I think Elieson's suspicions on Marth the first day/night whatever was justified since he's a part of this role/target mess, and even if he did overreact I find it worse that he's just jumping on all these other wagons but he's barely been here this phase so eh Still don't trust Rapier and Psych isn' helpful at all. I'm not going to hammer since I think Kay should get a chance to say something. If she's convinced, she could justify her hammer.

You seem very comfortable with all these votes on you Don't you have any reads of you own or something?