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sighI AM A 1 SHOT VIG. I WILL SHOOT SOMEONE TONIGHT AND PROVE IT
Or you could just claim your role the minute I ask you to claim it. Though, Da Bear does raise two excellent points:
Pls don't
Or at least if you do let town help you decide your shot. If you miss it's game over.
Yeah, we really don't want a mislynch right now. That would be awful, as the Ensemble would auto-lose.
Honestly I'm not even sure I buy that claim you literally said earlier this game that if a vig exists they should shoot rainbow and rainbow and rainbow is still alive and kicking.
Why didn't you lynch Rainbow, if you were so convinced that Rainbow is Mafia?
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Also, another observation:
1) It's likely that the Mafia have a delayed Roleblocker on their team.
2) Da Bear claimed that his role was blocked for tonight.
3) I don't think that the Mafia would Roleblock someone on their team.
Conclusion) Does that mean Da Bear is Town?
alright everyone. ive read over the entire game to try and get myself back into it. the following are my own observations and several cases along with my claim. lets get this done and work together team
[spoiler=detailed analysis + claim]SIKE!!
why would i claim and help the scumteam put the pieces together even better? enough of this nonsense. lets lynch yedi and call it a day. we have enough power roles in play that we should be able to figure out the scum off of night actions moving forward
YOLO, everyone else has already role claimed. There's no benefit in you not role claiming. This is making you look increasingly Mafia-like. What. Is. Your. Role?
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Who did you target Irony? (Each night) Everyone should claim targets at this point.
N1: Idle
N2: Attempted to Block Ryker. Wasn't allowed to do so.
N3: Restricted. Couldn't block.
N4: Still had 0 shots, so couldn't block. Idle again?
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Did you ever ask him about what he thought? That might help you see why he asked instead of guessing at it.
I think that section was my attempt at asking him? I'm not sure, but I was hoping that he would see it and comment on it later, and clear some stuff up?
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Found the quote:
Rainbow: The two most common reasons for bloodless nights, AFAIK, are a) doc protected Mafia NK target, or b) Mafia NKer got roleblocked. I think the latter is unlikely to happen so early since the Mafia would usually pick the towniest scum to handle the kill, who is not likely to be roleblocked. Kirsche's flip further suggests it was the first case.
Irony: I know that it's not B). I am the role blocker, but my role has been limited in such a way that I'm basically a Vanilla Ensemble at the moment. Maybe we could add an option C) That there's a body guard who protected the person being killed on Night 1, but option A) is more likely. If that's the case, and Kirsche saved Proto/Rainbow and/or SB, it is safe to assume that they are Ensemble members.
I just wanted to clear some stuff up and make sure that people didn't have a pointless discussion about who the Role blocker could have blocked.
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To answer your second question, I did see DT's claim, yes. I just was confused about why he said "what if I outright refused to role claim" first. It just seemed weird?
I will answer your first question in a second, need to find the quote first.
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Irony why did you claim early again? You dud see Gorf's claim right?
1) Are you asking why I claimed my role on D3? If so, it was because at the time the only options we had for a No Kill day was either Roleblocker or Doctor, and I was proving that it wasn't the Roleblocker (as that was my role) or something like that.
2) Who's Gorf? Is that DT?
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Thank you. If you ever get lost, I want you to read my posts. Rainbow is very likely Ensemble but likely wrong too. I want you to keep that in mind.
Ok. I don't feel that badly lost at the moment, but if I do I will look at your comments as well.
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Irony's post on me and DT/gorf is kind of awful. She spends the whole time disqualifying her own reads with 'I COULD BE WRONG' and then really forces the DT read by quoting him saying he won't claim even though he did claim immediately after.
Would totally believe she's scum after that if not for Rainbow saving her last night being the most reliable no NK excuse. As is I kind of want to look into a Rainbow/Irony scumteam who's just planning on getting yolo lynched to win.
My wording on that is terrible, and I apologise. I wasn't trying to say that DT didn't claim. I did acknowledge that he did claim. Rather, I was asking why he would ask "what if I refused to roleclaim", as that was the action that confused me. :/ And, I bolted my quote below to prove this.
First off, the WHOLE TOWN (bar YOLO, who seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.) had decided to role claim. There was literally no benefit to you hiding your role. Why would you outright refuse to role claim? Yes, I know you did role claim later, but why did you need to comment that first? No matter what your alligence is, that should make you look automatically suspicious, especially because you just subbed into the game.
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Irony if you are town I want you to trust me. It is probably Spinal. Also, Gorf would say that regardless of alignment, he can be a rebel. Also I feel he would be more appeasing as scum.
Ok. I will trust you on this. After all, I haven't played with Gorf before, so I don't know what his Meta is like.
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Irony why did you like Rainbows reads mid-game and why are you always agreeing with him?
I'm not sure on how to explain it, but I just think that Rainbow's reads make logical sense? You could argue that I'm latching onto someone who's more experienced for reads, and that is probably right. But I just think that Rainbow bases his reads on evidence and logic and works to a conclusion that makes sense?
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Here is my plan:
Lynch Yedi.
Irony block one of [Yolo/Spinal]
Rainbow uses his best judgement on who to save.
Next Day
Lynch Yolo
Irony Block Spinal
Rainbow uses best judgement
IMO, I think it's SB whose more likely Mafia, but apart from that, your plan makes sense. :)
Courier is basically a mailman. I can send one message to another player during the night (one-way communication), that they'll receive with their Night results for the following day. It's not that powerful unless combined with an investigative role or something, but it does allow for a bit of communication outside of the game.
Ahhhh, kk. Thank you! :D
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This doesn't make sense. You can't know if your mafia reads are correct for you bot to change them. For example, you were wrong on Ryker. How does that affect your opinions on my play and others play? Also who are your three scum reads now?
I know I was wrong on Ryker, and it did cause my reads to change drastically. I was getting to that, but I had a lot to write, and a lot to say, and I apologise for not saying that sooner. For example, I now think that you're ensemble, as there are other people who are acting more Mafia-like to me. And I apologise for calling you Mafia multiple times.
My reads now are [YOLO/Yedi/SB-Trump]
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And now, for Da Bear and Donald Trump:
I'm a watcher who only works every other night, N1 no one else visited Rainbow and N3 spinal was lazy af and on N4 my role was restricted for N5.
ehh i wont even bother going down that route, my roles boring af anyway.
the way that my role pm is worded is kinda weird but if i have it right, im like a double voter but only when i vote at l-2. so if i vote at l-3, ill only have one vote. but if i vote at l-2, thats the hammer.
First off, I'm going to agree with Rainbow. In my opinion, I think it's more likely that Trump is Mafia rather than Da Bear. (But then I could be wrong. I did say that my reads might be terrible at the beginning of this thread)
So, one reason why I say this (THIS IS NOT THE MAIN REASON, NOR IS IT IMPORTANT) I know I read both SB and Spinal before they subbed out, and I know I read Spinal as Town-leaning and SB as Mafia-leaning. But then, I know that Da Bear and Trump are not Spinal and SB, but anyways.
I have two other reasons:
The first one- Trump's role is more useful to the Mafia than Da Bear's. But both roles are useful to the Mafia. Mafia!Da Bear can watch people, and see if anyone visited Mafia targets. If the targets survived, then they'd know who the Doctor was (maybe that explains why Kirsche died on Night 3....) The reason I think Trump's role is more useful to the Mafia is threefold:
1) Da Bear can only use their role on alternative nights. This limits the amount of information the Mafia could get about the Town, and even if Da Bear could use their role, then that doesn't guarantee that the Doctor/Omniguard/Roleblocker/Flying Pixie/ Whatever would visit a Mafia Target. Trump's role on the other hand, can be used daily to get rid of people they view as a threat.
2) The Town wouldn't have an investigative role, and thus would be at a huge disadvantage.
3) I cannot remember the third reason at the moment? If I do remember it later, I will mention it.
The other reason why I think Da Bear is more likely town, is because of this:
what if i outright refuse to fullclaim?
First off, the WHOLE TOWN (bar YOLO, who seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.) had decided to role claim. There was literally no benefit to you hiding your role. Why would you outright refuse to role claim? Yes, I know you did role claim later, but why did you need to comment that first? No matter what your alligence is, that should make you look automatically suspicious, especially because you just subbed into the game.
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Next, we have Elieson.
At this point we may as well just figure out what we want to do about YOLO. I personally think he should be AXE'D, but if people don't agree, that's their perogative.
Subbing in for Refa, I'm:
Ensemble Green, Jonie. I'm a mechanic who really knows my stuff, but that part doesn't matter. What does matter is that I'm a combination Courier & PR Giver. SUPPOSEDLY you can be Modkilled for violating your given PR, but well yea ask Ryker about that postgame.
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And next, we have Rainbow.
Welp, I gotta go buy groceries so I might as well claim now.My ClaimCharacter: Kasumi, Ensemble WhiteRole: AmnesiacAbility: Once during the game at night, I can pick a dead player and permanently obtain their abilities.Actions:- N1: Idled (Green Poet's role didn't seem useful enough)- N2: Idled (no new corpses after Green Poet)- N3: Inherited Kirsche's role, so I became a Doctor permanently- N4: Protected Irony because she's so adorable and I wanted to protect herMy role is also part of why I believed Yedi over Ryker in D3; with the Amnesiac possibly adding one to the count of roles in a particular existing category, it made more sense to have (1 investigative + 1 protective) than (0 investigative + 2 protective). Evidently it was, indeed, possible to have a third protective role, which is what I am now, though Town just might have an investigative role after all in Spinal/Bear.I'm also fairly sure that my role is the reason for No-Deaths on N4. With how Irony's role works, and the fact that we have to lynch Mafia every day from now on to stand a chance at winning, it should be apparent that Irony would be a great threat to the Mafia. She'd start getting roleblock abilities, which could potentially block a kill AND expose the killer if she picks the right target. But I couldn't let them shoot the adorable Irony on my watch and so, here we are with no deaths in N4.As for my thoughts on the recent claims here, Bear's one seems pretty believable, since Town doesn't seem to have an investigative role otherwise, and the advance notification of being roleblocked seems consistent with Irony's and Ryker's reports of being roleblocked N3 and N4 respectively, which suggests that there is a Delayed Roleblocker of sorts in the Mafia. This doesn't clear him though, since I could see the Mafia deliberately not roleblocking anyone to grant a believable claim for Spinal/Bear, and it's quite troubling that his roleclaim implies that his ability is useless for the rest of the game (next use is at N7, and the game should end by the end of D7), so idk.SB/Trump's claim, on the other hand, is pretty dangerous. Thankfully, it's easily provable, but would the proof really be indicative of alignment? It would be insane if the Mafia had the ability to trigger a hammer at less than the required threshold, which could really break the endgame. But by process of elimination, I do think SB/Trump is most likely to be the third scum alongside Yedi and YOLO. But yeah, I'm really not sure about SB/Trump, but I definitely want to see him prove his role by lynching Yedi today (not NOW, but later today).
First off, I wish I had recorded my reaction to being saved by Rainbow. I might have had the largest grin on my face, and I might have muttered the words "thank you" quite a few times. This is why I am so glad that I'm Ensemble. I would have felt awful if I had been Mafia and seen this post.
Anyways, I should say that I guess Rainbow is most likely Town. And no, it's not just because Rainbow chose to save me. The reason why is that, if Rainbow had been Mafia, I think that Green Poet's role (the mudracker) might have been more useful? Also, Rainbow's logic makes sense IMO, especially the delayed Rolebreaker in the Mafia (if I had to guess, it would either be YOLO or Yedi, but I think it's more likely to be YOLO, as there has to be a reason why YOLO is not claiming). Also provides a reason why she believed Yedi over Ryker which makes sense.
I will not comment on the SB/Trump vs Spinal/Bear issue right at this moment, however, as I'll save that for their actual claims.
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Ok, so, roles:
I will say in advance that my reads might be terrible. Also, multiple comments because I will be quoting everyone's role claim.
So, I'm going to start with YOLO. Rather, his lack of a claim. Immediately suspicious, because he did see that we wanted him to role claim first (or as one of the first) So, either he forgot or he has a role that makes him obviously Mafia, or he cannot come up with a convincing role!claim. I will say likely Mafia, and that we should lynch him. However, Yedi needs to go first for making us all lynch Ryker (and for being a massive liar)
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Or Elieson. Sorry.
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If YOLO doesn't claim, I guess that a) makes him look uber suspicious and b) I guess you and Refa should claim first?
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l-2 / l-3 indicate how many votes remain until the particular player gets hammered. l-2 (I prefer to capitalize the letter, so L-2) means that the player will be hammered with 2 more votes.
Ok, that makes sense! :) Thank you for explaining! :)
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I'm a watcher who only works every other night, N1 no one else visited Rainbow and N3 spinal was lazy af and on N4 my role was restricted for N5.
So, if your role hadn't been restricted, who would you watch tonight and why? (You don't have to answer this immediately. When you've read everything, that's when I'd like your answer)
ehh i wont even bother going down that route, my roles boring af anyway.
the way that my role pm is worded is kinda weird but if i have it right, im like a double voter but only when i vote at l-2. so if i vote at l-3, ill only have one vote. but if i vote at l-2, thats the hammer.
So, if you vote on part 2 of a day (so between the 24-48th hour) then you get 2 votes instead of one? I'm confused.
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Easy mistake bc this scum team is almost as bad as town and doesn't kill people well.
Don't have cases just yet bc I was off visiting colleges all weekend but I'm feeling like yolo is town contrary to popular opinion. Kind of feel like scum is trying to push irony onto him because he'll be the easiest lynch tomorrow? Will be ISO'ing rainbow and refa/elie today.
I agree with you regarding the Mafia not being as good- I actually think the Ensemble have killed more members of the Ensemble than the Mafia?
I don't think people have been pushing YOLO onto me? Like- I kinda thought that YOLO was Mafia independent of everyone's opinion. I know k saw YOLO lurking on the thread at multiple points plus YOLO did lynch someone without providing a reason?
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As to when Rainbow and Elieson claim- if we do mass claim, I would like YOLO and SB to claim first.
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About that, while such a possibility does exist, I personally highly doubt it. Yedi did not claim to be a general alignment cop; he claimed to be an investigative Jack-of-all-Trades of sorts, with multiple different investigative abilities. As such, I highly doubt this game has a Mafia role (like Prosecutor) that could make Town look like scum from a 1-shot alignment check. There might be a Godfather/Miller, but Ryker was not a Miller so that could not have influenced Yedi's investigation. There could be a redirecting role, but with Hober Mallow carrying the powerful direct redirecting ability, I don't think it's very likely for the Mafia to have some type of redirection while they were also super lucky enough to deceive an alignment check.Thus, I don't think it's worth acting on the possibility of TownYedi, which is super unlikely, and we'd have extremely little to go off of if we doubted everything.
Ah, kk. I thought it was highly unlikely, but just thought raising it was important.
As for the No-Deaths, given that there are two dead protective roles, no roleblocking counterclaims, and Irony claiming that she can't roleblock anyone yet, I think the only possibilities are that the Mafia didn't send in a kill action (e.g. due to inactivity, unresolved opinion differences at deadline, etc) or there is some other role (like a Bulletproof Townie, for example) that somehow caused No-Deaths.
I was thinking that too. As YOLO has been inactive (and I can say the same about Yedi) I think it was more due to inactivity.
Also, before I forget ##Vote:Yedi This is for lying about Ryker's alligence, which no Ensemble member would do.
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To be honest, I thought so too. After all, YOLO had the whole day to come up with a convincing slot. I don't know what else YOLO could be (maybe the Delayed Roleblocker, but I'm not 100% sure.) Is there any important role that this game is missing?