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Anyways- I'm back from the Anime showing (Danganronpa is such a great series!) and now for the reasoning:
Elemina is my current vote. I know I stated my reasoning for this, but I don't remember it all (Again, this is due to the three assignments. 2 have been done, the other is for Sunday) . I do remember that I thought that Elemina's role could have been easily created by the Mafia and there were things about Emelina that I didn't like/trust.
Ryker is my first choice for a switch vote. Again, I had him pegged as a Mafia read from the first day, again for reasons that I cannot exactly remember of the top of my head. I know inconsistency was one of them though? But Ryker's disappearance has made me even more suspicious about his allignment.
YOLOSWAG would be my second choice for a switch vote. Again, I don't trust YOLOSWAG, mainly because I haven't seen them comment that often and when they do its not really progressing the Town.
Hober Mallow is my third choice. I would put him at second choice, but I would be interested in seeing if someone subs for him or not and if they do, how do they act.
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I'll explain reasoning later, but currently watching Anime.
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I know that I voted Elemina, by the way.
I'd be happy to switch to Ryker, Hober or YOLOSWAG though.
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Elieson:
Why did you delete 'Bingo, found a mafia' from your Kirsche struggle analysis in #792? You state that Blitz is playing to his scum meta, why has no one else noticed this? Expand on his role being scummy and how it relates to the Healer Mafia role.
Irony:
What do you think of Elie saying that Blitz's role is scummy? Do you agree or disagree, why? Can you talk more about SB?
Kirsche:
Read on Irony?
Spamming the thread is a privilege, not a right. I have lost that privilege. XD
I get Elieson's reasoning, but I disagree with his conclusion. I just don't see how the Insomniac Role would benefit the Mafia as it leaves the person with that role defenceless on certain days. If everyone in the Town gangs up on that individual....
Again, I can only say that I don't see SB comment enough. I might have seen SB lurking (but then I've seen a lot of people lurking) so maybe SB's Mafia, but then I cannot be 100% certain.
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So, as Elieson has replaced Refa, I'm going to try and read Elison's posts.
Ok:
1) The reads are interesting, and make sense. (Though I will say that I'm female (again)) I like your reasoning. I'm interested in what your view on SB is, especially as Refa seems so weary of him. I'm also interested in what Blitz and Yedi's responses to your reads would be.
2) I agree with you- I do need the help. I'm trying to read up on roles/rules and stuff, and it's a lot to take in.
3) I guess you're in the ensemble? In all honesty, you are probably in my "I'm not sure yet" pile, mainly because you've just subbed in, but you're working your way through the entire thread, taking notes and trying to progress the Town's development. I kinda trust you?
Also @kirchse- what if both Refa and Hober Mallow were Town? How would that affect the subbing?
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And also- I feel like I need to acknowledge something.
Ever since yesterday started, I've had a lot more people call on reads on me than they did in Day 1 (it feels like it anyways.) I think the reason for that is due to the change in my play style.
I do know what I was uber passive on day 1, what with the no lynch vote and trying to avoid reads, whereas on Day 2 I am being a lot more aggressive.
This is my playstyle. Like Spinal (or Ken Masters) I don't believe in making rash votes and nominations, but rather observing and deducing, before going out all guns blazing. If that has suprised you, I apologise, but I have mentioned it in previous comments on Day 1, so it shouldn't really be a surprise.
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hard time != cant formulate
i find rainbow individually scummier than mallow. but if i have to guess a team mallow will be on it 9/10x. i go for the scummiest
and no i dont want to pressure them. i just want to lynch them. that said im down to go either though my preference is rainbow
@elemina i care when im busy and have to dig through 7 extra pages on a weekend when i have little time because you want to play this like its epicmafia. ryker was different in that i could sense him walking towards conclusions and leading players (unbeknownst to them) towards a gameplan while you looked more like you were rolling around in the dirt playing 20 questions with anyone whod bite. im letting this go tho cuz i dont want to lynch you. as for irony i wouldnt have her anywhere in the discussion of plays for today. my pools good
Who's on your pool, if not myself? Apart from Mallow, obviously?
But apart from that, I'd agree with you- Mallow is on my Null list, and I can't think of anyone who has him on their Town lists of the top of my head. I will disagree with you r.e. Rainbow though. I think it's more likely that they're town, in my opinion.
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also does anyone NOT have mallow on their Mafia list?
i have a hard time believing elemina is rainbows top scumread. i am also REALLY having a hard time formulating a scumteam that doesnt include mallow. i think mallow should be on the backburner today because hes been floating on everyones scumlist consistently
##vote rainbow
*Says that they cannot formulate a Mafia team that doesn't include User X*
*Thinks that we should not apply pressure on User X as they've been floating on everyone's scum list consistently*
.... That literally doesn't make any logical sense.
If you cannot form a Mafia team that doesn't include Mallow, then why aren't you voting for him. Maybe you are right, and he's in the Mafia. If you are a member of the Town, surely you'd want to get rid of him, so that you can win more easily?
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Spinal:
I abused the newbie card as newbie scum, and won because of it. I am well aware.
Irony:
1. That's null, town and scum can claim that. Why would you think scum would claim a role like that at that time?
2. Why am I scum for this? Why would scum do this?
3. Why is this scummy?
Kirsche:
What's your read on Irony, curious.
Spamming the thread is a privilege, not a right. I have lost that privilege. XD
1) It could be beneficial to the Mafia, as it could mislead people on a) How many Mafia members there were, b) Even if there were three members of the Mafia, you could draw suspision away from yourself (which proved highly beneficial in the Green Poet vs Emelina debacle on Day Three) or c) Even if you have your role, for all I know it could be a Mafia Role. (And yes, I know that will make it difficult for me to role claim later on, but I feel like I need to say this)
2) It's reactionary. Yes, it could also be a town thing to do, I admit that, but it kinda seems like Mafia trying to draw suspision away from themselves again.
3) I feel that members of the Town are more likely to have consistent reads and views. Yes, I will admit that Town members can also be inconsistent with their views (after all, information changes rapidly), but I feel that Mafia members would struggle to hold consistent views, as if they tried to claim that someone was in the Mafia, surely then they could be called out?
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Haha, I'm not saying you are, Irony. I was asked what exactly was the reason why I was weary of making a real "newbie" claim on you. It's nothing personal, you seem like a great person!
But in Mafia you kinda have to go with the mentality that everyone could be a threat. I have my reasons to be especially weary of you, which does not means I think you're scum just because your newbiness is clear.
Beides, we were all newbies at some point, so I can relate.
It's just that I relate with a grain of salt :P
Cool! :) Thank you! :)
What are these reasons exactly? Maybe I can address them, and therefore show you that I'm not in the Mafia? :)
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Still re-reading, at the same time keeping updated on recent events. SB I'll respond to you when I'm done.
Irony, where is your vote? I want to see your vote. Today you must be voting, and I want you to comment on major wagons.
Refa, Why didn't you analyze Irony? I want to see your analysis of her play D1 and D2.
Ryker, lame. I want you to push things when you can though.
Yedi, I want you in here.
Yolo, where you at.
Spamming the thread is a privilege, not a right. I have lost that privilege. XD
My vote is currently in my head, but I didn't want to make it until the final day, as I wanted to be more certain of whether I was doing the right thing. However, since you asked, I shall vote.
##Vote: Emelina.
For many, many reasons, all of them listed earlier:
1) Your "claimed role" could be easy to fake.
2) You targeted at least six people for calling you a Member of the Mafia.
3) Your views were inconsistent.
... I could go on, but in a nutshell, I think that you're in the Mafia.
Oh, I almost forgot.
I'm always weary of peole who play the newbie role, because I used it before. On another site, I joined a Mafia community and claimed that it was my forst Mafia game ever. Since nobofy knew me, they accepted it and gave me a ton of free passes for scummy shit like no lynching and following ridiculous targets. Obviously I wasn't a newbie and I was faking, even outside the Mafia game, that I didn't knew what I was doing, intentionally avoiding the lexicon and asking for obvious stuff.
I was the Godfather, btw. And we won.
So from personal experience, I am VERY careful with new people. Not enough to go witch hunting (and potentialy scaring a new player away) but enough to have always an eye open.
One thing I don't like doing is lying. So, I'm going to be honest. This is literally my first game of Mafia, and I seriously want to get better at it. I will be honest and say that I've played Werewolf, but I mostly do that in person and not over the Internet (I am on the online Werewolf game on Golden Sunrise however.) I don't know the lexicon at all, I don't even know what half the roles do. In a nutshell, I am a noob.
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To explain why:
1) It's consistent (Yes, I say that a lot, but I feel that Members of the Mafia are less likely to have consistent views/reads)
2) It actually makes sense. It's logical, based on evidence and it's detailed.
Yes, you may not comment often, but that post was high quality. :)
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Rainbow, I like your reasoning. :)
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Apparently these are no thoughts. Also for further reference. I didn't lynch GP because it'd make me feel better about you, I lynched GP because she was suspicious but said that this is how I would feel if she flipped town. Terrible assumptions. Also I was fairly obviously town reading Elemina (still am) too but you don't take that into account.
Reported for being a big fat meanie. May eclipse have mercy on your soul.
##Vote: Refa
Still a bad slot tbh. His scum reads right now are me, Yolo and Mallow. Yolo and Mallow are easy scum reads which aren't going to go anywhere (vig pls), and his read on me is based around his stubborn insistence that I had never shown annoyance nor weariness of him before I put him in my lynch priority when it's just factually incorrect.
Can you cite sources on why Elemina's other votes were apparently egregious? Good job realising his GP vote wasn't that bad though, pity it only comes after he's no longer directly on the chopping block.
Still need to ISO Proto lol I am lazy my bad.
I think it's just a case of lacking a role name for her role.
@Irony: Why do you trust Refa out of interest? You said "for reasons given before" but the last thing you said about Refa was "I think I trust Refa" without any reasoning. Sorry if I missed something. What do you make of my comments about him?
I think I trusted Refa originally because Refa seemed to have a consistent train of thought about issues regarding their reads on who was Town and who was Mafia. Your thoughts have highlighted aspects of Refa's play that I missed/read when I was too tired to register (to be fair, considering that I have three assignments in this week, I think that's to be expected). I might move Refa into my Null Reads for now, and you into my town reads.
Apologies if I didn't mention it sooner.
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You know, I highly value the effort here, but at this point analizing the first moments of the game is kinda unnecesary when you have all the things that happened yesterday. Besides, by rule of thumb RVS shenanigans are just that. Elemina jumping the gun (an attitude that was pretty consistent through the day) was pointed out many times now.
Again, I really appreciate you taking the time to look back, but it is redundant. The Green Poet debacle and the SB stuff is probably more worth the attention now.
You know, I'm starting to agree with your decissions as of late. I still think your actions yesterday were terrible and harmful to the Town. But I cannot call you scum on the same level I think Hober (or whoever replaces him) was.
Unfortunately, as Kirsche proved me time after time, there's no inherent scumminess on your kind of behaviour.
I don't agree on Rainbow, I think he has been on the same Kirsche-vibe of low post count - high content and I haven't found any particular actions that are scummy or harmful.
Also Taokaka for lifeOk, I will look into both. Maybe that might cause me to change my reads. Tell me which page to start looking at and I can do so. :) In all honesty, the fewer pages I have to read the better.
My, oh my. Irony is an interesting customer. I don't really know what to do other than call irony town and consider that if she's playing dumb, then it will only ever work once, so whatever. You can have that if you want it that bad.
Elemina is still a town read for me.
Yedi is a town read for me.
I like Omega, Kirsche, and Ken, but I'm going to reread them after that flip.
YOLO is suspect because I know next to nothing about them.
I am FAR less bothered by Refa with a GP town flip.
Blitz can live for a good long time, as far as I'm concerned. I have a good idea where his head is at and that's fine by me.
I like SB's content today, but I'm going to reread the slot because I struggle to remember what he did on D1.
Irony is a crapshoot because of the nature of new players. I am actually really bothered by the scumreads there, but a lynch there is really dumb. i would like a cop on that slot, but there's so many other better uses of the cop's time (YOLO for example).If anyone has a good sell one way or another on that slot, pitch it to me.
I STILL hate Rainbow.
And so I go from Mafia -> Ensemble -> Interesting customer. I knew that would happen once I started posting, but ah well. I still maintain that I am a member of the ensemble. As I said, I will claim my role of I have to (like Green Poet and Blitz did), but that's only if I'm at risked of getting lynched? I just suck at acronyms. :(
What does bother you about my reads on Emelina and YOLOSWAG? I can guess why you'd be bothered at my read on you, but I'm intregued with the other two.
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RVS is the super earlygame where everyone essentially shitposts and vote randomly until something happens. It sounds weird but it happens every game. You're not super likely to find anything useful there.
Random voting. Usually shitposting for the lulz
Oh, right. That makes sense now. I've seen that phrase being thrown around and it confused me. :/
As I said, I'm going through one page at a time, just to see what was said, try to summarise it and in general I am also trying to answer Green Poet's question. And to do that, I need to go from the beginning.
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Irony, do you know what RVS is?
Admittedly, I don't. If you could explain, that would be amazing. :)
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Is it because I'm 2spooky4u?
No really, kinda early to have a readlist of 3 people. Especially considering I posted once until now.
That is, if you do have one. And don't bring me that "not telling by now" shit because that's usually stalling for time until a good reason appears.
On other things
Had Rainbow not said a word about "pls no lynch" I'd be fine with dissappearing for a full day, because life's a bitch sometimes. Buuuut.... he did, so there's that to take into consideration. No free passes today, sorry :/
I would like to know the reasoning behind the 3rd Green Poet vote aswell. Not a common thing to se around.
I think these are good starting points for now. Productive day 1? Is that possible? O.O
Spinal supporting my point, yes. It was rather early to be claiming reads on three people. You did explain your "role" later, but there are two issues:
1) This is an easy role for the Mafia to fake. If you were Mafia, you would know how many people were in the Mafia, and you could easily cast suspision onto someone who was not in the Mafia (RIP Green Poet). Yes, you did explain you reasoning for voting Green Poet at the very beginning (that's the next thing I'm commenting on), but why did you vote Rainbow and Spinal so early on, even though they had commented only 1 at that point? 1 comment is not enough for a scum read. I will comment that, if someone did have that role, then they would have counter claimed, which does lessen the amount of suspision on you. Unless of course, that role isn't even in the game in the first place.
2) The way you did it was suspicious. You could have said "my role allows me to know how many Mafia members there are. There are three members of the Mafia, and 10 people in the ensemble." Instead you just say three people's names, and say that they are Mafia members, when only 10 comments have been made.
Green Poet was just for being first poster. I think scum want to have an early advantage, therefore I thought it's possible he may be scum. Although I did consider him voting Spinal as a partner link but it's weak. I put Spinal in the list since he didn't vote and it showed he didn't care to progress the phase, and now seems to be posturing rather than trying to help the phase. Rainbow I felt had no reason to state that Ryker was suspicious and then say it was a joke at the end. So it seemed fake.
What is your read on Irony?
Yep, this is the next thing I'm commenting on. Reasoning does makes sense, admittedly. However, I will only say that for Rainbow and Green Poet's read. If you said that Spinal was Mafia because "he didn't vote and it showed he didn't care to progress the phrase" then why did you not include me on the list? I said that I was abstaining for the entire first day, and at the time I was getting to grips with the whole Mafia thing. (And before you ask, no I'm not Mafia. I am in the ensemble. If I have to, I could claim my role, but I'd rather not do so at the moment.)
Okay. I will try to be as clear as possible.
Calling someone "scum" based solely off RVS assumptions and lack of votes literally 10 posts into the game, is bollocks.
I didn't use my vote so far because I like to vote what I think deserves to be voted, which is why you didn't see a RVS vote from me, but a rather a shitpost in replacement. Achieved the same effect without the need of casting a vote for the sake of casting a vote.
Now, the real issue is how you jumped the gun and immediatly stablished "scum links" via RVS. It means you have absolute no ground to throw shade at anyone, because it's all a very uninformed assumption mostly driven by gutfeelings.
You see, what you accomplish by throwing shade at people this early on with no base to it, is harm the Town progress, because we now have to explain to you why that kind of behaviour is useless to us.
You can bark all you want, but if you don't have the factual bite behind it, then you'll get stomped by people less compassive than me.
Again, I agree with Spinal. Your actions in making the Mafia list could also be a Mafia thing to do. You'd be throwing suspicion onto other players, and you made that list without a shread of evidence. Again, this makes you highly suspicious in my eyes.
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##Vote: Green Poet
It's not easy being green or mafia, but you're at least one of those. =(
Sheepworthy case tbh.##Vote: Green Poet
##Vote: GreenPoet
Who's the guy who said he's going to be MIA all day? Someone describe him to me if I'm going to be missing him for the entirety of D1.
Scum:
1. Rainbow
2. Greeenpoet
3. Spinal
Vote: Rainbow
Firstly, I learnt that I should have trusted you, and I apologise for my scum read on you, Green Poet.
So, I'm going to start with the first posts into the thread of those that jumped onto the bandwagon.
1) Refa- as I'm going through one page at a time (yes, I'm an idiot) , I don't yet know whether Refa provided a reason for voting for you or not, but you were the first to vote without providing a reason, so maybe it was in response to that? As I said, I'm reading 1 page at a time, so I don't know.
2) SB- Again, SB was being suspicious of your first vote, which didn't provide a reason for why you voted for Spinal.
3) Ryker- Now, my judgement may be affected by my views on Ryker
4) Emelina- yes you did explain you're reasoning later, which makes you slightly more trustworthy, but at the time it was highly suspicious. But then- Refa asked you your reasoning for your list, and you said "I'll tell you later". Why did Ryker, of all people, reply with an emoticon?
I can't remember who said that they hoped that Ryker and Emelina were the Mafia team, due to the fact that they kept on getting each other to answer questions posed to them. However, I'm seriously starting to believe that Emelina and Ryker are members of the Mafia. It's weird that, despite all of the suspicions piled onto Ryker and Emelina, the two of them are still a team? This has been further increased by Emelina saying that there's no need for a Ryker vote. Emelina, why do you say that? If I'm right, and your role allows you to know how many Mafia members there are, then you wouldn't know who is a member of the Mafia. Why are you so confident that Ryker is a member of the ensemble?
Apart from that, Page 1 was uneventful.
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"same goes for irony. irony, you should give your opinion on what happened this phase, what you learned from my lynch, what you think about those who were on my wagon, and when they got on it. so far you've passed under the radar and a lot of people are glossing over your play largely by virtue of you being new, which should discontinue."
Sorry I missed the endgame stuff, I was asleep when it all went down.
Anyways- I will try and answer your question, but I need to check stuff first.
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Also, at the moment, my readings are thus:
Mafia: Elemina, Ryker (I've said why before, but I still don't really trust them) and YOLOSWAG (Posts aren't detailed enough, and seems to be taking advantage of situations.)
Town: Spinal, Blitz, Refa (Same reasons as previously), and myself (obviously, I know what my role is).
Null: Pratically everyone else.
These are just preliminary reads, and that's why my reads are not in too much depth at the moment. Both my reads and the reasons behind them will change as I go reread the Day 1 thread (seriously, why are there 600+ posts in the Day 1 section?!) and see how everyone reacts. That might take me a while, due to life, but I will get that done! :D
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Ok, so nobody died last night. That means that we must have a doctor and/or bodyguard who is doing their job extremely well. Or we could have a jail keeper who imprisoned one of the Mafia members. Unless the Mafia can choose not to kill. Whilst it would be extremely useful to know who they saved, as we could potentially find out who was chosen to be killed by the Mafia, it could put any of those three roles into extreme danger.
Apart from that, we can know for sure that Blitz is telling the truth about his role. Therefore, he is almost certain to be a townie (unless his role is Mafia aligned? I doubt that though.)
Anyways, I will be voting today. There are two things I will need to look at before I do so though:
1) Everyone's voting history. This might help me determine alliances and what not (for example. The way Ryker and Spinal interacted on Day 1 leads me to believe that they are either Town/Town, Mafia/Town or Town/Mafia. This is because two Mafia members are unlikely to put that much attention on each other. Could lead to them getting lynched after all.)
2) Again, I'll need to look at everyone's reads and various arguments, and see who was coherent and who was not in their views. If someone isn't coherent, and is bandwagoning, it could suggest that they are Mafia?
Apart from that, I'll will just be looking at the thread and see what arguments are made today. :)
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This guy: http://m.imgur.com/T1HrmT0?rIn all seriousness, probably Ewan from Sacred Stones, if I could have someone of the opposite gender.
Apart from that, probably Cynthia from Awakening, as she's similar to me personality wise?
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So, if Micaiah was "assassinated" 15 years before the beginning of the games events:
Micaiah has to be at least 18 years in the events of Radiant Dawn.
Of course, I'm not saying that she is 18 years old, but maybe she's not as old as some people think?
Man, I really want to know what her profile says.
Ensemble Mafia - N5
in Mafia
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Also- am I allowed to ask one small thing.
Can someone make a list for me on how everyone plays Mafia? It's just that everyone is saying "Oh, X acts like this when they are a member of the ensemble" or "Y isn't doing this, and therefore they are in the Mafia." Having that information would be really, really useful in making better reads.
Please? :)