Tharne
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From a post I saw on reddit, the B Rank Battalions are most of the time better than the A Rank.
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10 minutes ago, timon said:
Yes, and it's very weird, because it's the path that most people wil find themselves in, you'd think it would be the most polished.
Let's look at facts:
- Black Eagles / Edelgard has undeniably been pushed in prerelease and advertising
- Edelgard IS a waifu wheter we like it or not
- If someone picks up the game at random he's probably gonna end up in BE, even the first chapter pushes Edel (in the cutscene you're saving her after all, and she has more dialogue IIRC)
- To not get C+ with her by ch11 you'd have to actively work against it
- Someone on a first playthrough is probably going to talk to at least his units every month, you can't miss her incoronation
- Since Edelgard is said "waifu" and she's your main character, there's no way you're saying "I must stay here"
- For the same reason as above, and because the game works to make the Church as suspicious as possible, there's no way anyone picks "Kill Edelgard", unless they hate herNow, i'm not saying Crimson Flower gives off a bad impression of the game, I still think it makes for a beautiful path, and yet if they really wanted to push it so much they could've worked a lot harder to pull in new players into the series. Add in more animated cutscenes, give more space for emotional showdown with Claude/Dimitri. If this is the most common route you have to try and use it as a way to pick up new players for your next games. it's the route most reviewers are going to play, flash it out!
idk, it sounds like marketing was doing one thing and development another. Maybe it was supposed to be completed but they had to release and so wrote off the war with TWSITD in the epilogue, even then, if you're pushing this route logic says to develop it first.
I agree with you about this path being the first one for a majority. And it is (imo) precisely why it is shorter with lots of things left unanswered, because they wanted people to play the other routes.
I also don't find it to be a problem that it is shorter and not dealing with TWSITD, on the contrary I found it quite fitting. But that's probably because I view Edelgard's route as the bad ending (like a Visual Novel).
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Last BE (Edel) Chapter :
SpoilerOn the map the Dolls have names, one of them is called Chevalier, those Dolls are probably named after deceased of Zanado. The other names don't match with the other crests though. But all those crests are probably from dead people of Zanado.
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33 minutes ago, GamerX51 said:
Rhea's secret crest research project, which involved church personnel in many different countries, not just in Garragh Mach.
27 minutes ago, GamerX51 said:they simply used her secret project
This is stated nowhere in the game. (If so point me to it.)
What we know is that Rhea created 12 bodies (throughout the ages most probably) which she implanted with the Crest Stone of Sothis, that's it. She never did anything with Crests themselves. (Crest Stone =/= Crest)
The Crest research to gift people two crests is entirely on TWSITD, since they were the one to create them for Humans to begin with.
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2 minutes ago, GamerX51 said:
Rhea didn't know about TWSITD's involvement, but they WERE operating under the auspices of Rhea's secret crest research project, which involved church personnel in many different countries, not just in Garragh Mach. Her ignorance of their presence is not an adequate defense for all the harm they caused.
I think you misunderstood something with the game's plot and lore here.
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40 minutes ago, GamerX51 said:
None of that matters in the long run; Thales (as Arundel ) performed those experiments AS PART OF RHEA'S PLAN to resurrect Sothis. Rhea just didn't know that "Arundel" had other motives; none of this excuses her actions.
What are you talking about ??? TWSITD don't work with rhea at all.
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3 hours ago, LegendOfLoog said:
Something I found strange is that the GD and Church route open up a bit of a plot hole in Edelgard's route. In those two routes, TWSITD blow up Fort Merceus with missiles in an attempt to kill off Byleth. Hubert somehow uses this information to locate their base and pass on the information to you through a letter in the event that the empire loses. Why doesn't he do this in Crimson Flower?
In GD/Church Hubert isn't anywhere near the battlefield and since the Death Knight lures you out it's clear that they knew about their intentions to launch the Nukes, making it easier to locate them (and I suppose he has some kind of lab to pinpoint them) , during BE he was just on the battlefield and didn't know it would happen so he has nothing to go on to find their base.
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15 minutes ago, MrPerson0 said:
The issue is people might not support her/give her gifts to increase supports. Doesn't help that in battles, because Byleth can give gifts, it takes much longer to reach a certain support rank than other students getting a support with each other.
To instruct you have to raise Motivation, when you raise Motivation you raise support. If people don't get the requirement before month 11, they are rushing/not paying attention and have only themselves to blame, imo. (Comparing Kaze to the most important unit in your roster is not valid in my opinion, and again by just playing the game how it's intended to be played, you will obtain the necessary requirement)
Also agree with your second point about the Church.
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Gonna give my impressions on units from BL run :
Byleth (Mage->Warlock->Mortal Savant) : Wanted to have some fun. He was fun.
Dimitri (Cavalier->Paladin->Unique->Unique) : Cav/Pal screwed his Spd a bit but he was still a monster. Found him a lot more impressive than Edelgard.
Dedue (Brigand->Grappler->War Master) : Like Raphael/Caspar (more tanky than Caspar though) he was really useful, he just kill/tank things.
Felix (Thief->Swordmaster->Mortal Savant) : I'd say he's the strongest unit early game, at the end though...he could double things but had trouble killing them and squishy.
Sylvain (Cavalier->Paladin->Dark Knight) : Slower than Felix but stronger/bulkier, he picked up when Felix started going down.
Ashe (Brigand->Wyvern Rider->Wyvern Lord) : I liked him a lot, double and hit hard but...squishy as all hell.
Annette (Mage->Warlock->Dark Knight) : Strong at the very beginning (because Wind weight nothing) and then was slow and squishy like nobody else.
Mercedes (Priest->Bishop->Dark Knight) : Pray to the Goddess, she was a better damage dealer than Annette after a while and those sweet heals.
Ingrid (Pegasus Knight->Falcon Knight) : Double anything but hit like a wet noodle (+ low dex = not even a big chance to crit), one of the best mage killer though.
Cyril (Archer->Sniper->Bow Knight) : He was stupid to be honest.
1-Byleth
2-Dimitri
3-Cyril
4-Mercedes
6-Ashe
6-Dedue
6-Sylvain
6-Ingrid
6-Felix
10-Annette
All those at 6 had their time to shine tbh.
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1 minute ago, Tenzen12 said:
Is that true though? I might missed that piece of lore.
Yes, when you go with her, you learn that and she says "my professor is a proxy.". I was like...wtf.
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1 minute ago, matchalatte said:
As if killing her on the spot would work by that logic.
Since her coronation must be in presence of the Archbishop and that it wasn't the case, you could make a case that all she's doing is already outside of the law and usurping an Empire is probably punishable by the death penalty.
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1 minute ago, matchalatte said:
(she can put her in jail)
Seeing as how Edelgard and Hubert always "retreat" by teleportation magic (this is one of my biggest problem with the game tbh so much retreating while they are right the fuck in front of me...) I think that wouldn't work.
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8 minutes ago, timon said:
It should be considered that not only the Western Church was influenced by TWSITD, but they had good reasons of starting a rebellion against oppression (let's not forget Lonato's story).
Lonato's story is that his son got killed for the "Tragedy of Duscur" while the real reason was an assassination attempt on Rhea by the Western Church. So the Western Church rebelling by trying to kill Rhea because they already tried to kill Rhea in the past isn't what I would called oppression. More like TWSITD is full on controlling the Western Church and are the sole responsible.
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1 minute ago, Troykv said:
Also technically all the routes are wrong because at least one of the protagonists dies, and the main villians aren't completely destroyed.SpoilerYou kill everything in GD though, TWSITD and even Nemesis. (who remains dormant in other routes...spooky)
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I see a lot of people here and there talking about Edelgard's route being the "secret" one or it was developed last because it has less chapters etc...
If I develop a game where a fairly big portion of the game is about talking to your students/exploring the monastery, I intend for people to at least talk to each student every month and build a basic relationship with them, especially the Lord of their House.
Missing Edelgard's route tells me more about the players (i.e. Rush mentality) than if the devs intended the route to be a "secret". Which I don't think they did at all, I even have the impression that the smaller number of chapters is a way to make the players ask themselves : "Wait, is that it ? Did I maybe choose the wrong side ?" For them to play the other routes.
Also the fact that she was the most pushed Lord commercially doesn't make sense if you develop her route last, it's beyond stupid. They wanted people to invest in her more and side with her.
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6 minutes ago, MaskedMaskoftheMasks said:
(on Claude & Byleth's paired ending the remnants of TWSITD join up with imperial remnants to attack Derdriu but then get surprised by Almyran reinforcements. So they still exists even after ending of golden deer route)
I really don't like the idea of paired endings (at least how it's handled in this game). If I don't pair Claude with Byleth does that mean I can't know that some TWSITD are apparently still alive ? Does that mean that even on a specific route the route isn't canon for everyone because they didn't save the same people, didn't pair the same people, etc ?
I hate this tbh, the fact that if you follow all those A support, people declare love and propose to almost all of the opposite gender is awful writing. A support should be about friendship and S support should be restricted and exclusive (with a lot less possibility of S support, maybe even only 1 or 0 for some characters).
The canon of a route should end at the fresco before watching the battle information/paired endings.
So in the Golden Deer route, you put an end to all of the threats (The war, TWSITD, Nemesis) for example.
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6 minutes ago, matchalatte said:
The purposes I talked about are just my interpretation of what I think are the reasons behind the creation of the Church (it's not stated in game, from what I know.) based on some of Rhea's dialogue.
And I'm not saying that they can't be killed, just that they don't die because of aging making them see Time not in the same way as us. -
24 minutes ago, matchalatte said:
You can't ignore the fact the church is biggest propagandist of them all, controlling knowledge and thought via rewriting history and censoring books, which are the only source of information in Fodlan. It's a war of disinformation.
For Rhea it's not really a war. Rhea and other Manaketes in this world seems to be immortal (I think ?) so their perception of time isn't the same at all. The brutal death of her Mother and almost all of her race is still fresh and will probably never go away (you can see that with the way Flayn talked about her past like it happened not so long ago while it happened, in fact, a very, very long time ago.). It could be even fresher in her mind than what Edelgard suffered at the hand of TWSITD.
Her whole establishment of the church has in my opinion three purposes :
-Protect the remaining Manaketes. (You could say "They can just go live somewhere else." But Fodlan is also their homeland since Sothis made them here and TWSITD is still around.)
-A way for humanity (the Crest bearer's descendants especially) to repent for what they did to her people. (A little fucked up but since, like I said, she probably view Time in a different way than us, it is reasonable in her mind.)
-Avoid another Nemesis. (That goes a little with point 1, but this one is more about protecting the Humans from themselves I think. Of course because of TWSITD we got another Nemesis, in fact two : Edelgard and well...Nemesis the Return.) -
One of the huge turn-off about Edel is the fact that she lies to everyone (except Hubert and you) to gain their support.
After the nuking of Arianrhod, when Edel says that it's the church instead of TWSITD to the students (and probably all of her troops) that was the last straw. If the students/troops knew that they were working with TWSITD and that they were also that big of a threat (and that the church didn't do those horrible things she's talking about), they wouldn't keep fighting for her.
With the talk of manifesto by Hubert/Edel, you can see that they are employing propaganda/disinformation to control everyone. Is this really a good leader (or even human being) ?
To be honest every time I was alone with her during her route I wanted to see a prompt saying : "Cut off her head."
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11 minutes ago, De Geso said:
Your Edelgard definitely got screwed if she wasn't tanky. Mine takes 0 damage from Steels and single digit from Silvers - she has only died to an unlucky 7% critical so far. Bernadetta is also doing quite well for me. On the other hand, Caspar is a joke who gets doubled by everything. Funny how RNG works.
63/29/19 at lvl 41. Don't know if it's good or bad.
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I just finished BE (Edel).
I didn't know that my already low respect for Edelgard could go lower. Color me impressed, they did a good job.
I don't hate her (There is only one (fictional at that) person that I felt real hate toward in all my life...Looking at you Griffith from Berserk which is I think a huge accomplishment). I just think she's a sad, manipulative and misguided human being who was shape by TWSITD with horrible experimentation and false information, in the end she ended up being their perfect tool.
A shame that she didn't find the strength to scale the walls between her and the others, to reach her hand to Dimitri (especially) or Claude before starting this war.
Onward to BL (then Church) now and I will do a very long post after them.
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Just finished my BE playthrough (Edelgard's route) where I only used Teach + BE students.
For the Battles/Victories stats they were all pretty close to each other (93 to 114 victories) except Linhardt at 63.
If I had to rank them from how they performed throughout the game :
1 - Edelgard (Brigand->Warrior->unique->unique) Hits like a truck but wasn't really that tanky.
2 - Byleth (Pegasus Knight->Falcon Knight) Good mix defenses, very good speed/dex/strengh. (Still tends to gain a lot less Spd than Dex even though I had more % in Spd, oh well)
3 - Hubert (Mage->Warlock->Dark Knight) That dude carried the second half like a boss especially the last few maps.
4 - Caspar (Brigand->Grappler->War Master) Choose any target, send in Caspar, target dead. A little less tanky than Edelgard, but more crits/avoid.
5(tie) - Dorothea (Mage->Warlock->Gremori) Gets the job well done, magic is strong in this route.
5(tie) - Ferdinand (Cavalier->Paladin) Wasn't lucky at all in Str, in the first 20 lvl he gained 5 points...still the rest was above decent (Spd especially even though he was Cav/Pal). As Tanky as Caspar just less punch.
7 - Petra (Thief->Assassin) Okay I don't really know what happened, she was strong before timeskip and then poof...she can double anything...except she can't kill anything.
8 - Linhardt (Priest->Bishop->Dark Knight) HEALING! (Useful in the last few maps too because so many high Def/low Res targets)
9 - Bernadetta (Archer->Sniper-Bow Knight) Firing wet noodles isn't very fun, useful for the very few Flyers you fight in this route (almost none except one chapter and one paralogue).So yeah.
I think based on the route some students will perform a lot better because there is not the same types of enemies.
Edit : And I think apart from Byleth, I got screwed on a lot of them, I had a lot (and I really mean a lot) of 2-3 stats level up where it was almost always HP + Luck/Res/Cha...The best level ups I got were during the last map and I was pretty amazed to see them.
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4 minutes ago, Shadow Mir said:
I din't see how Raphael's all that bulky since he's either often at risk of being doubled, or struggling to pick up kills because of gauntlets having suck for might. What in the seven hells does he have to offer that would actually make him viable for the frontlines instead of sending, say, Byleth, Hilda or Leonie there, who tend to not have to deal with either issue???
Getting doubled for 0 dmg x2 isn't really a problem though. And Gauntlets let's you have dead enemies...before they can even counter attack.
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16 minutes ago, Azure in a Roundabout said:
Again, spoilers. But there is nothing I need help with.
Seriously, I just need to get this out, because I just experienced this.
Who here expected that Flayn and Seteth were Saint Cethleann and Saint Cichol all along? I thought they were just descendants under hem who have lived for a long time, but no, they were the real thing. Everything makes so much more sense.
Also, it seems my love for ancient beings of FE continues, considering I am considering S-supporting her.
SpoilerTheir paralogue where you learn that they are Father/Daughter is already a big clue when you also know that Cethleann was Cichol's daughter (It's in the description of the Statues in the Cathedral). Also the way Flayn reacts during her support with Ignatz is a pretty big tell.
Did this route seem unfinished? *Spoilers*
in Fire Emblem: Three Houses
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Talked about it in another thread :
"In GD/Church Hubert isn't anywhere near the battlefield and since the Death Knight lures you out it's clear that they knew about their intentions to launch the Nukes, making it easier to locate them (and I suppose he has some kind of lab to pinpoint them) , during BE he was just on the battlefield and didn't know it would happen so he has nothing to go on to find their base."