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    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted

    I guess, but those mods... It's really saying something that the one child Donnel's recommended to father essentially winds up being the same as her mother with him :<

    The thing about her is that she already has great class selection. She literally only needs galeforce to be great, which is why Donnel is so good for her. Yes, Gaius is better, but Gaius is even better on a certain other child.

    Also, the thing about Donnel is that his mods are so bad no child other than the ones that absolutely need Galeforce want him as their father. And even then, one of them isn't that great with him as her father. His class selection seems good, but then you realize that Gregor gives the same classes plus myrmidon and berserker without ruining his kid's mods.

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted · Edited by Duck

    Hey Duck, is there a way we can search your pairing guides? Would like to give then a read through.

    I have only four done because they take a long-ass time to write and I'm kinda strapped for time rn

    Owain: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=42247&view=findpost&p=3942817

    Lucina: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=42247&view=findpost&p=3940834

    Inigo: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3955113

    Brady: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=42247&page=268#entry3957092

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted

    Me: *has a lot of summer work due tomorrow*

    Me: *writes a pairing guide for Brady*

    [spoiler=Brady analysis]

    BRADY

    Mother: Maribelle

    Mods: -2/3/2/1/4/-2/3

    Base classes: Priest, Cavalier, Mage

    First of all, I'd like to give props to Brady for having one of my top five favorite critical quotes in the game: "I'd pray if I were you!!!" I don't know what it is about this one, maybe just the way he says it? I don't know, it's not relevant. This one should be fairly straightforward, as Brady is the first child we've looked at that actually has pretty much everything a guy could ask for. For some reason, one of Maribelle's classes changes to cavalier for Brady. That's a HUGE deal because it provides him with something Owain and Inigo can only dream of: Luna right off the bat. He also gets galeforce from his mommy, which makes him one of the best male units in the game, and he starts with the sage class. So you might be asking: what does Brady even want? The simple answer is: mods. All he needs is mods to help out his speed or magic, and he's golden. Let's see who can help him out with that.

    Avatar!Brady

    Mods: Varies

    New classes: All male classes

    Pros: diversity in classes/mods

    Cons: boring Morgan, Brady gets everything he wants from other fathers

    The avatar provides so much good stuff, but Brady already has so much good stuff. Obviously it's good because it's the avatar, but why waste your avatar on someone so good when you can use him on someone who needs his classes? Or why make Morgan meh from Maribelle when you can make her amazing with someone else? There's just not much reason to do this pairing unless you really love Maribelle/Brady (which I can understand) 5/10

    Chrom!Brady

    Mods: -1/3/3/2/5/-3/2

    New classes: Archer

    Pros: Lucina is good for challenge runs

    Cons: opportunity cost, eh mods

    What does Brady want? Mods. Chrom's aren't bad, but they're not great. It's definitely an alright pairing due to the magical Luina, but for Brady, it's definitely bland. Obviously he's still pretty damn good, but he can be so much better with other fathers. 5/10

    Frederick!Brady

    Mods: 0/1/4/-1/4/0/3

    New classes: Knight, Wyvern Rider

    Pros:..wyvern rider?

    Cons: shit mods

    While the only really con here is bad mods, that's actually a very big deal for Brady, since all he wants is for someone to improve his mods. Frederick ruins his two most important stats: magic and speed. Don't do it. 1/10

    Virion!Brady

    Mods: -2/3/4/3/3/-4/3

    New classes: Archer, Wyvern Rider

    Pros: Great mods, +hit skill for challenge runs

    Cons: opportunity cost

    The only real opportunity cost that comes from this pairing is losing Virion for Yarne/Gerome, but they are still redeemable easily. Besides, this pairing is fantastic. It gives Brady a lot of speed to work with, as well as providing him with two new classes to play around with. Sniper's Hit +20 is great for challenge runs where hit rate is a big deal, and deliverer from Griffon Rider is just a helpful skill to have if you have space for it. Most importantly however, the mods are fantastic. Virion does not hurt his magic at all, and gives him a large amount of speed. All in all, a great pairing. In some cases, it might be actually the best pairing for Brady. 9/10

    Stahl!Brady

    Mods: 0/2/3/1/2/0/2

    New classes: Myrmidon, Archer

    Pros: Astra

    Cons: bland mods, opportunity cost

    Did you ever think Stahl would be bad for someone? Here you go. Stahl hurts Brady's magic and doesn't really help his speed, so there go the main things Brady wants. He also can be amazing on many other kids, as we've talked about, so he's a complete waste here. Don't do this one. 2/10

    Vaike!Brady

    Mods: 1/1/3/2/3/-2/1

    New classes: Fighter, Barbarian, Thief

    Pros: ...new classes?

    Cons: terrible mods, opportunity cost

    I swear, Vaike is a good father for some children. But for now, oh god. He provides a bunch of nice physical classes that Brady will never be interested in using. Oh! That reminds me, I haven't really talked about Vaike's opportunity cost. Vaike's male classes convert to Knight and Mercenary if he has a daughter. Meaning if he has a son, these great classes go to waste. And thenVaike obviously ruins Brady's magic mod and doesn't really help his speed either. It's pretty awful. 0/10

    Kellam!Brady

    Mods: -1/3/3/-1/2/1/3

    New classes: Knight, Thief

    Pros: doesn't hurt magic, zero opportunity cost

    Cons: that speed

    I suppose Kellam doesn't hurt Brady's magic, but Brady actually cares more about speed than magic, and Kellam screws that up. It's not the worst, but it's definitely not good. The only good thing is the fact that Kellam has absolutely zero opportunity cost to using him. 3.5/10

    Donnel!Brady

    Mods: -1/2/1/0/7/-1/2

    New classes: Villager, Mercenary, Fighter

    Pros: ...hits 50 luck for armsthrift?

    Cons: terrible mods, opportunity cost

    Despite being lucky enough to win the lottery twice in a row, this Brady is pretty terrible. Donnel's mods clash in the worst sense with Maribelle's, and that's the one thing a father for Brady should not do. .1/10

    Lon'qu!Brady

    Mods: -2/3/5/4/4/-4/1

    New classes: Myrmidon, Wyvern Rider, Thief

    Pros: utterly fantastic mods, proc stacking

    Cons: none

    Does he hurt magic? Nope. Does he help speed? Hella. Does he give any good new skills for Brady? Yes, he can now proc stack. Do you have any other choices for baes? Kinda, but they have better options. This pairing is fantastic. It gives Brady everything he could ever wish for. His speed is awesome, his magic isn't hurt, and he gets some fun new skills to try out such as astra and deliverer. I can't stress enough how good this one is. 9.5/10

    Ricken!Brady

    Mods: -3/5/2/1/5/-3/3

    New classes: Archer

    Pros: high magic

    Cons: low speed, opportunity cost

    Well, he has awesome magic, and that is it. His speed isn't very good, and archer can be provided by Virion, who actually give a lot of speed. Also, this takes Ricken away from Owain, which wastes Ricken's luna. It's better than some options, but still not great. 5/10

    Gaius!Brady

    Mods: -1/2/4/3/2/-3/3

    New classes: Myrmidon, Thief, Fighter

    Pros: good mods, astra

    Cons: opportunity cost

    To be honest, it's actually a pretty good pairing for Brady. But let me repeat: for Brady. FOR BRADY. Doing this pairing means that either Kjelle or Noire is going to suck. Despite being good for Brady, I highly recommend against this pairing because there are others that do the same or better for Brady, and don't ruin someone else. 3/10

    Gregor!Brady

    Mods: 0/2/4/1/3/-1/1

    New classes: Mercenary, Barbarian, Myrmidon

    Pros: great new classes

    Cons: not so good mods

    I actually like this pairing because it makes him quite a good mixed dread fighter, and the skills Gregor provides give him a lot of variety (Faires for everything). However, the mods are pretty bad, especially his speed. Gregor also hurts his magic, which is a big turn off. Overall, it's decent, but there are definitely better options. 5.5/10

    Libra!Brady

    Mods: -2/4/3/1/3/-2/4

    New classes: Dark Mage

    Pros: good magic, proc stacking, little to no opportunity cost

    Cons: eh speed

    It's really not bad. If Lon'qu and Virion are being used elsewhere, this one definitely gets the job done. The high magic will make him pretty dangerous, and vengeance is a helpful skill to proc stack with luna. The speed is a bit of a disappointment, but it still works. Another good thing is that chances are, Libra isn't really needed anywhere else. 7/10

    Henry!Brady

    Mods: -1/4/4/1/2/-1/2

    New classes: Dark Mage, Thief, Barbarian

    Pros: good magic, proc stacking

    cons: eh speed, opportunity cost

    Despite having Barbarian and Thief access, this is pretty much the same as Libra!Brady. I mean, when is Brady ever going to use Barbarian/Thief? The only thing is, just like all Libra vs Henry pairings, Henry is actually very good for other children, meaning using him for Brady is kind of a waste. It's definitely good for Brady, but it's almost not worth it because of how good a father Henry is. 6/10

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted

    Henry gives 1 more strength than Libra. That doesn't even amount to 1 more full damage point on Apotheosis, I don't think it makes the difference between physically viable and not.

    uh

    shit

    that's true; when I was writing that post I forgot Libra's strength mod is actually neutral

    I apologize, I've never actually used Henry!Inigo so I guess I wouldn't know very well

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted

    Oh, Frederick and Stahl are absolutely better for a physical Inigo, but I thought it should be mentioned that Libra!Inigo could technically go physical as well. Just in case Stahl is being used elsewhere and Frederick is somehow dead (or does he just retreat?) And if it's mentioned for Henry I think it should be brought up for Libra as well.

    As for Olivia and Ricken...yeah, okay, that support squicks me out.

    The reason I mentioned it for Henry is because Henry actually gives a +strength mod in addition to his +magic mod, and he doesn't give sage like Libra does for magic. So then the reason I didn't put it in Libra's is that he's just so much better magical due to having Sage/Tomefaire. Henry doesn't actually give a very efficient magic class, so running a physical Inigo with Henry is actually a viable option, unlike with Libra, where his amazing magical access make it less viable to be physical.

    tl;dr it's doable, but not great, especially with all the magic tools he has at his disposal

    He somehow manages to act even less mature in those supports then he is normally, which is tough to do.

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted

    I think it's worth mentioning that Libra!Inigo can actually work as a physical fighter. His strength mod is only one less than the magic mod and he has inherent Axefaire and Swordfaire. If his wife runs Anathema for him, he can make a decent Berserker. With Vengeance as his proc, the crappy skill doesn't matter as much. I wouldn't say he's better at it than Yarne or Henry!Gerome, but it's something. I ran Libra!Inigo @ Berseker with Gregor!Noire @ Sniper my last run, and they were surprisingly effective. This Inigo would also make a great Dread Fighter.

    Just curious, though- why don't you like Ricken!Inigo?

    I agree that Libra!inigo works as a physical fighter, but he's just so much better magical or mixed, and someone like Stahl or Frederick works way better for him physically. And I definitely agree with him making a great dread fighter, that's actually the class I run him as.

    It's personal preference really. I can't stand Ricken, and he usually marries the grave in my runs. Plus (thisis completely my opinion, and I understand if every one disagrees) his supports with Olivia are completely ridiculous: she is literally reading him bedtime stories, and then he proposes. Plus, if I want a magical Inigo, Libra!Inigo is my favorite because their supports are great and Inigo looks amazing with blonde hair.

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted · Edited by Duck

    [spoiler=Inigo analysis]

    INIGO

    Mother: Olivia

    Base mods: 1/1/2/2/1/0/0

    Base classes: Mercenary, Myrmidon, Barbarian

    With galeforce and great classes right off the bat, Inigo is already pretty good. His only problem is lack of a reliable proc. Any father that can give him Vengeance or Luna is recommended here. His mods also aren't too special, but they do make him rather fast and let him be efficient as either a physical fighter or a magical fighter. He's also my favorite character in the game.

    Avatar!Inigo

    Mods: Varies

    New classes: all male classes

    Pros: diversity in classes, mod variety, procs

    Cons: boring Morgan

    He's really similar to Owain in that none of his other fathers make him truly amazing, but still not a great use for the avatar. All he really wants is a proc, and a bunch of other fathers provide that to him without making Morgan boring. Olivia!Morgan is better than most of the other 2nd Gen!Morgans, because her mods make it so she's fairly fast and both Morgan and Inigo can either be physical or magical. So it's not the best use of the avatar, but it's definitely not the worst. 6/10

    Chrom!Inigo

    Mods: 2/1/3/3/2/-1/-1

    New classes: Cavalier, Archer

    Pros: Gives luna, proc stacking, good mods, good hair color

    Cons: Opportunity cost

    Well, Chrom gives a proc, and great classes to work with. He can be a paladin, or a sniper, or a hero, or even a berserker/warrior if needed. It would be easily the best, but unfortunately it means you can't do Chrom x Sumia, which means you have to do Henry x Sumia. This means that Henry can't be used for Gerome or Nah, and Cynthia isn't as amazing as she can be (but as I said, she's still pretty awesome). Other than that opportunity cost, it's the best pairing for Olivia. 8.5/10

    Frederick!Inigo

    Mods: 3/-1/4/0/1/2/0

    New classes: Cavalier, Knight, Wyvern Rider

    Pros: Gives luna, proc stacking, diverse classes, no opportunity cost

    Cons: a bit slow

    Alright, so it is similar to Chrom!Inigo, but it's a bit slower and lacks the ability to go Sniper. However, no other child really wants Frederick as their father, meaning the opportunity cost is basically nonexistent. So it's actually pretty awesome. He's a bit slow, but most likely Inigo will only need enough speed to double the mooks, which he easily gets. I'll say it gets a 8.5/10

    Virion!Inigo

    Mods: 1/1/4/4/0/-2/0

    New classes: Archer, Wyvern Rider, Mage

    Pros: good mods, good class diversity

    Cons: no proc, opportunity cost

    I hate that this pairing isn't that good because it's actually my favorite pairing for both Olivia and Virion. But nevertheless, it's not very good. It doesn't give him the proc he wants, and it steals Virion away from the kids that need him the most. The class choices are pretty good, and he does get tomefaire if you wanted him to be a sage or a dread fighter, but there are so many better options that actually give him a proc that this one is way outclassed. It's a bad waste of Virion, and Inigo doesn't live up to his potential. 2.5/10

    Stahl!Inigo

    Mods: 3/0/3/2/-1/2/-1

    New classes: Cavalier, Archer

    Pros: gives a proc, proc stacking, great class choices

    Cons: opportunity cost

    See Chrom!Inigo, but with slightly less opportunity cost. Looking at the options if you end up doing it, you can either use Lon'qu!Cordelia, which is awesome if you like Vengeance, or not use Nah (which isn't too big of a deal). So the opportunity cost really isn't that bad. 9/10

    Vaike!Inigo

    Mods: 4/-1/3/3/0/0/-2

    New classes: Fighter, Thief

    Pros: good mods

    Cons: no proc, only new class is trickster (which barely even counts as a class)

    I have to hand it to the Vaike: he's very good at making kids bad. I guess he's also good at making them good, but we'll talk about that another time. He doesn't give Inigo a proc, and the only new class he gets is Trickster, which he doesn't have the magic to use, and even if he did, Dread Fighter would be better. One of the four absolutely awful fathers for Inigo. 1/10

    Kellam!Inigo

    Mods: 2/1/3/0/-1/3/0

    New classes: Knight, Priest, Thief

    Pros: gives a proc, gives tomefaire and sage, no opportunity cost

    Cons: mods aren't very good, really outclassed by other fathers

    It's basically Frederick!Inigo, but magical. Magical Inigo can be quite good, but there are other fathers who are so much better than Kellam that this one isn't that great. It has no opportunity cost, because no other child wants Kellam as their father, so that's a good thing. Bottom line is, it's decent, but there are other, way better options for physical, magical, or mixed Inigo. Out of all the fathers that give him a proc, Kellam is the worst. 5/10

    Donnel!Inigo

    Mods: 2/0/1/1/4/1/-1

    New classes: Villager, Fighter

    Pros: None

    Cons: opportunity cost, no proc, only new class is villager, bad mods

    Let's start with all the classes he gets: Wow, villager is going to help out a lot. Fighter, let's see that promotes into hero and warrior... Oh, two classes he already has. He doesn't give a proc, and if you use Donnel for Inigo, you just lost Galeforce on either Kjelle or Noire. There is absolutely no reason to do this pairing if you want your kids to be even somewhat good. 0/10

    Lon'qu!Inigo

    Mods: 1/1/5/5/1/-2/-2

    New classes: Thief, Wyvern Rider

    Pros: pretty good mods

    Cons: no proc, opportunity cost, not great class choices

    It has pretty okay mods, but that's it. No proc, only one new class, and Lon'qu is way better used somewhere else. You really shouldn't do this one either. It's better than Donnel, but not by much. 1/10

    Ricken!Inigo

    Mods: 0/3/2/2/2/-1/0

    New classes: Mage, Cavalier, Archer

    Pros: gives a proc, great class choices

    Cons: slight opportunity cost

    Despite how much I despise this pairing, it's actually pretty good. It gives him the proc he wants, quite a lot of magic, and Sage/Tomefaire for a final class. The mods other than magic are fairly boring, and it does have a bit of an opportunity cost. Ricken is generally considered better for Owain, and you can get a great magic Inigo out of another father with no opportunity cost at all. But if you really like magical Inigo, this one is where you should go. 8/10

    Gaius!Inigo

    Mods: 2/0/4/4/-1/-1/0

    New classes: Thief

    Pros: pretty good mods

    Cons: serious opportunity cost, trickster as the only new class, no proc

    Just like with Owain, this is the worst pairing for Olivia. It forces you to ruin either Kjelle or Noire, it doesn't give a proc, and it doesn't give any new classes besides trickster. The mods are fairly good, but they're nowhere near worth it. 0/10

    Gregor!Inigo

    Mods: 3/0/4/2/0/1/-2

    New classes: none

    Pros: none

    Cons: pretty much everything

    Absolutely no new classes. That's terrible. The only thing that's better than Gaius!Inigo is the fact that the other kids are still redeemable. Don't do this one if you value Inigo at all. 0/10

    Libra!Inigo

    Mods: 1/2/3/2/0/0/1

    New classes: Mage, Dark Mage, Priest

    Pros: very diverse magical Inigo, gives a proc, no opportunity cost, HAIR COLOR

    Cons: boring mods

    One of Inigo's benefits is his ability to work well with fathers like Frederick and Libra and still be able to be amazing. This pairing gives you a very similar Inigo to Ricken!Inigo, but with vengeance instead of luna, and less opportunity cost. The mods are fairly boring, but this is actually one of the better fathers for Inigo. 8/10

    Henry!Inigo

    Mods: 2/2/4/2/-1/1/-1

    New classes: Dark Mage, Thief

    Pros: can run berserker really well, diverse options (can go physical, magical, or mixed)

    cons: opportunity cost, better specialized physical/magical options

    Weirdly enough, this one is actually good as either physical or magical. He gets a proc (vengeance), and anathema for him to use to be a berserker. He also gets a decent magic mod to function well as a mixed class like swordfaire!dark knight or dread fighter. All in all, a very good pairing. However, the opportunity cost is pretty high, and Henry is one of the best fathers in the game. If you don't mind that, it works very well. 8/10

    The Pairing Thread

    in Fire Emblem: Awakening

    Posted

    Right, so decided to tweak it a little. Now thinking;

    Chrom x Sumia

    Gregory x Cordelia

    Gaius x Tharja

    Lon'qu x Maribelle

    What do we think? Happy to take advice on the others but again the 5 kids are a priority. I want them to be taking lead roles as well so would appreciate who to support them.

    Guess this leaves FeMu spare as well. Thinking..........FeMu x Brady? Never had my avatar marry a 2nd gen to be fair.

    All of those are good except Gregor x Cordelia which gives her nothing. Stahl and Vaike are better for her because they give her luna (and astra in Stahl's case), which is really the only thing she needs

    Hello, Hi, Hey: I'm $$$ richh

    in Far from the Forest...

    Posted

    azu would have aqua jetted you, killing bisharp. same against rotom-w, giving it damage before azu got killed. terrakion comes out and close combats you to death. pinsir comes out and dies to stone edge. or, terrakion gets killed by pinsir and then proceeds to get walled by skarm

    ggs tho

    I was thinking

    azu kills bisharp

    pinsir quick attacks and moxies

    actually you're probs right

    then pinsir goes after terrakion

    if pinsir went against skarm I would have done some SD and I don't think (?) pinsir gets ohkoed by skarm brave bird then I'd close combat or something and it would be awesome

    oh well

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