Erk Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Not a single stat comparison in 3 pages? This is madness!Though seriously, I don't think anyone mentioned routes. Considering both characters are above average when available, it goes something like this: Eph route Ephraim > Eph route Eirika Eir route Eirika > Eir route Ephraim So the only comparison with any purpose is Eph route Ephraim vs Eir route Eirika. But even then, Eirika has about a 6 chapter lead on Ephraim, so if Ephraim is to win, he has to win by quite a lot when he's around. Upon route split: Ephraim lv 8/0 (C Forde, C Kyle, iron lance): 26 hp, 18 Mt, 11 skl, 13 spd, 8 def, 3 res, 10 luck, 12 crit, 122 hit, 15 cev, 43 avo Eirika lv 11/0 (B Seth, iron sword): 22 hp, 15 Mt, 13 skl, 14 spd, 8 def, 6 res, 10 luck, 11 crit, 131 hit, 15 cev, 43 avo Ephraim leads slightly in durability (4 hp > 3 res) and in offence (3 MT > 1 spd) while everything else is more or less tied. Though, Ephraim also has a much better prf weapon than Eirika, and probably more uses left. Marginal win for Ephraim. Jumping to promotion: Ephraim lv 20/1 (A Forde, B Kyle, steel lance): 40 hp, 33 Mt, 21 skl, 17 spd, 16 def, 12 res, 16 luck, 30 crit, 163 hit, 28 cev, 67 avo Eirika lv 20/1 (A Seth, B Tana, steel sword): 33 hp, 26 Mt, 21 skl, 17 spd, 16 def, 16 res, 16 luck, 27 crit, 145 hit, 28 cev, 57 avo Now Ephraim is winning by quite a lot. He has a huge 7 Mt attack lead, and they share the same speed, which means Ephraim’s doing a whopping 14 damage more than Eirika when both double, which is rather often. He also leads durability with 7 hp and 10 avo > 4 res. Now, to lazily look into the future, compare their growth rates: Eirika: 70% hp, 40% str, 60% skl, 60% spd, 60% lck, 30% def, 30% res Ephraim: 80% hp, 55% str, 45% spd, 50% lck, 35% def, 25% res Difference (+ for Ephraim, - for Eirika): +10% hp, +15% str, -15% skl, -10% spd, -10% lck, +5% def, -5% res What this tells us is that Ephraim will continue winning hp, strength and def, whereas Eirika will continue winning res. She does have other leads, but they won’t take much effect. For instance, a 10% speed lead just means that she’ll win speed by 1 in 10 levels, and both are doubling everything as it is. She also has a 30% avo growth lead, but Ephraim’s already ahead by 10, so she’ll never be able to close that gap. Finally, I want to put more attention on supports. Eirika has a no brainer A support with Seth, but filling her B is quite an ordeal. Saleh, L’Arachel and Innes are all pretty bad (or at least worse than Ephraim’s supports), which leaves Tana, Forde and Ephraim. The Ephraim support is rather late considering it will only start like halfway through the desert chapter, and Forde has Kyle, Ephraim and Franz he could support earlier. So Eirika really is relying on that B Tana to fill in her support set, and Tana is really only an upper mid unit at best. Ephraim, on the other hand, has Kyle, Forde, Duessel and Tana, all of which are lightning fast supports with good 2 way benefits. Clearly Ephraim having 4 viable support options > Eirika having 2, maybe 3, and Ephraim wins support speed regardless. So yeah, I think there is overwhelming evidence of Eph route Ephraim > Eir route Eirika. I greatly question your supports. The best is obviously Ephraim and Eirika supports, since they will be together after you get Eirika back. With 20/20 Eirika and Ephraim with A support, they could double almost anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Except no one will be 20/20, and they aren't together for 14 chapters out of 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 epraim lincon, he starts better and has a nice prf weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Okay, I just finished analyzing my first PT of TSS, and I convinced myself that Ephraim Route Eir>Eirika Route Eir. But, since PEMN, this is null and void. In b4 90% of the people reading this vote Ephraim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The best is obviously Ephraim and Eirika supports, since they will be together after you get Eirika back. Everyone is together with at least one of the lords, except the other lord. You're not making any sense. Eirika would much rather take someone from earlygame (A Seth) and then someone from midgame (Tana, Forde, Saleh). Ephraim would take Kyle, Forde and Duessel before Eirika. The lord that doesn't go on your route may want a support with the one you went with, but that one will have to perform worse for the midgame chapters in order to have room. Ephraim beats Eirika in almost every way imaginable. I mean you're comparing Ephraim, a great lord, to the lamest one in the whole series. Why does everyone hate Eirika so much? I've even seen people say Lyn > Eirika, when Eirika is better in every single way. Look at what Eirika gets. Good earlygame performance, Rapier, Seth support, and in endgame she has a personal weapon that OHKOs everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Why does everyone hate Eirika so much? I've even seen people say Lyn > Eirika, when Eirika is better in every single way. Look at what Eirika gets. Good earlygame performance, Rapier, Seth support, and in endgame she has a personal weapon that OHKOs everything. Good man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Why does everyone hate Eirika so much? I've even seen people say Lyn > Eirika, when Eirika is better in every single way. Look at what Eirika gets. Good earlygame performance, Rapier, Seth support, and in endgame she has a personal weapon that OHKOs everything. I actually despise her for her lame personality. I'll admit, she's not that bad as a combat unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 My Eirika's always get massively strength screwed (9 strength at 20/8, WTF!?) I like Lyn better because she gets bows. I like bows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Wut exactly does Lyn have to do with any of this? I shouldn't be talking, though, not after my misplaced Knoll comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 nothing ephriam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowAreYaBud Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Ephraim. I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karino Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Eireka=Phail. Epic fail. Ephraim is better, but his journey's harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Eireka=win.Epic win Ephraim is slightly better, but his journey's harder. Fix'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reganis Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) i like ephraim more. but i still like eirika and i use her almost as much as ephraim Edited February 6, 2009 by Dark Sothe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martelé Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 They're both pretty awesome, but I like Ephraim better. He has more strength and onerounds enemies much more reliably, doesn't have to rely on avoid (and criticals) and a better Prf weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacto Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Ephraim is better in every way, it's beyond comparision. Still, Eirika is an average/good to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus The Dark Knight Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lute is better then both :P Anyway, I only played this game a few times since it was so damn easy and boring, but in those times, Ephraim performed better generally. His speed is lower, but not not low enough to never not be able to double enemies. And that combined with his strength makes kill really anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lute is better then both :P Now we're getting somewhere! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reganis Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Lute is better then both :P I never really liked Lute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonBladeSniper Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I prefer Ephraim for having a funner route and using lances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Eirika, her defense growth is slightly lower, yeah, by 5%, Ephraim will be slower, he reaches 24 of speed and 26 of skill, he is like paladin with more strength. Eirika: 24 str + 29 skill + 30 speed and luck = OMG! A mounted swormaster! Ephraim: 27 str + 26 skill + 24 speed = Meh, another paladin-like lord with wyern lord str. Eirika will get a good defense later on, mine is lvl 8 promoted and has 19 of defense, in my other file she has 15 defense and unpromoted(20/20) :o . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenyenkeStevens Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Eirika can have my vote. I'll admit, ephraim is a much better unit, stronger, and better defense, his path is also the most fun. However, When you look at the story itself, Eirika is a stronger character. Ephraim takes on enemy after enemy, with very few men, and even spits in valters face when faced with quite a large army...but thats who he is, he's a general, and used to combat. He's of a fighting nature, and the choice to fight on just comes natural to him. Eirika on the other hand is weaker and more timid, and yet forces herself to go after her brother and do he part to end the war. Ephraim isnt courageous, its just who he is, a normal state of mind. Eirika is afraid, but pushes on anyways, that is real courage. In the end she wins my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nestling Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Eirika can have my vote. I'll admit, ephraim is a much better unit, stronger, and better defense, his path is also the most fun. However, When you look at the story itself, Eirika is a stronger character. Ephraim takes on enemy after enemy, with very few men, and even spits in valters face when faced with quite a large army...but thats who he is, he's a general, and used to combat. He's of a fighting nature, and the choice to fight on just comes natural to him. Eirika on the other hand is weaker and more timid, and yet forces herself to go after her brother and do he part to end the war. Ephraim isnt courageous, its just who he is, a normal state of mind. Eirika is afraid, but pushes on anyways, that is real courage. In the end she wins my vote. You must LOVE Neimi, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenyenkeStevens Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Lol sadly i do, i just like the plot of characters more than stats i guess. Both girls are timid and not the strongest, yet do their all to fight in the war, whatever their reasons, its still pretty awesome in my books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Lol sadly i do, i just like the plot of characters more than stats i guess. Both girls are timid and not the strongest, yet do their all to fight in the war, whatever their reasons, its still pretty awesome in my books you are my friend, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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