Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well we DID mention it ages ago...In fact, I thought you were one of the guys who agreed with me. Almost instantly.You act like I am somehow against the decision. All I did was forget to make the change, which is why you people need to speak up much earlier and be on the look out for changes I forget to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 It's not so much that I think you disagree, as much as...you're the one controlling the list. But yeah, just pointing it out. Don't mean to start a problem here. Lets not get upset over it, just noticed one measily thing is all. Maybe we're just cranky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Why is Sheema still a tier below Est? I've shown before that she is actually doing better than Est in C18. They're both pretty royally screwed in C19 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 =Top Tier= Paola Sirius Katua Oguma Marth Linda =High Tier= Nabarl Feena Chainy Minerva Wendel Luke Cecil Kain Roddy Marisa Julian ==Upper-Mid Tier== Kashim Maric Yubello Elren Yumina Abel Sheeda ==Lower-Mid Tier== George Gordon Ricardo Doga Machis Samuto Ryan Chiki Astoria Samson Medea Banetou ==Low Tier== Alan Warren ==Bottom Tier== Roshe =Bishop tier, based on hawtness= Lena Maria Elice Nyna ==Fail== Sheema ==Worse than Est== Est Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 ==Worse than Est==Est I think that something's wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) I'd still group them together in Bottom, especially considering we've got the worst of the worst in there already. Above the Bishop's too; honestly, Est does have some room for improvement (Arena use during idle turns + Mercurius) and Sheema does do pretty well in C18. Granted, Roshea also sucks, so I'd suggest something like Sheema > Roshea > Est in Bottom tier. The Bishops are pretty fucking useless, I have to admit. Omit them or put them below everybody. Edited February 16, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 ==Worse than Est==Est Um.....typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) I'm likely only going to weigh in Ch. 18 partially. I'm sure she helps against the Dragon Knights, but I'm also pretty sure having Marth enter the house first turn (which can be done with a Dancer, I am pretty sure) will just cause the Horsemen to retreat so she won't need to tank them at all and they become free EXP as well as still allowing you to get Roshe as long as you don't kill Hardin's units. From here on, Sheema isn't going to enjoy the magic and dragon filled final chapters, while Est at least has a future here. Granted, Est requires favortism, but Sheema isn't going to get as much from said favortism as Est will. I've kept Roshe in a different tier, believing that he has some use that I haven't learned about that others know, but people don't seem to think he does. With that I'll just rename the tiers back to what they were and re-group them. I'll keep the order the same for now. As for Bishop tier, people need to stop taking it so seriously. It's based on freaking Hawtness, for goodness' sake. Edited February 16, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercdouken Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I didn't know that Est can be worse than herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) =Top Tier= Paola Sirius Katua Oguma Marth Linda =High Tier= Nabarl Feena Chainy Minerva Wendel Luke Cecil Kain Roddy Marisa Julian ==Mid Tier== Kashim Maric Yubello Elren Yumina Abel Sheeda ==Low Tier== George Gordon Ricardo Doga Machis Samuto Ryan Chiki Astoria Samson Medea =Bishop tier, based on hawtness= Lena Maria Elice Nyna ==Worse than Est== Alan Banetou Warren Est Sheema Roshe Edited February 16, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) Est is still worse than herself. Also, doesn't Alan have early game utility? Edited February 16, 2009 by Navarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well, yeah, but the whole part of below Low is so screwy I'm still trying to figure out what to do. Here's what's going to happen: - First we order the characters better - THEN I'll separate the tiers again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Rename "worse than est" to Bottom and just remove the bishop tier entirely if it's going to be superfluous.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Ugh...this is all my fault. Well, guess I should help fix it then, eh? Lessee...With all the new info and such, lessee where we can go with this... Get rid of the bishop tier, there's no point of them being ever useful. Alan needs to be above Banut. Alan's your earlygame killface and tank for those pesky dragon knights. Banut is being ok for 2 chapters we've discussed no longer being a major problem. Banuto above Warren because Warren just kinda weakens dragon knights, but he can't tank them and Alan could give 'em a good hurting with a taste of silver. Banut can tank for some other chapters kinda. Alan>Banut>Warren. Other than that, seems you guys got it right. To me at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Beserker Blader still thinks Bishop tier is more useful than Sheema. I'm waiting for this to be debated before I continue. I'd rather not get rid of the Bishop tier because they exist in the game still, and have the same join time and availability. What can happen for now is that we reorder them not based on hawtness. If somebody can find out what items they hold, this will be far easier. Banutu will drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I'd say Sheema alone. She...really doesn't do anything. At least some of the girls at the final chapter have wands that can actually be used to keep you safer. Doga will be putting the Gladius to better use in the final chapter (only other person who can use it then, not that you have it for long anyways.) I'd say she's below the staff bishops and above the magic bishops (because they're gonna be doing absolutely nothing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I'd say Sheema alone. She...really doesn't do anything.Apparently she does something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Only reason I'd put her above the magic bishops is because she has more time and could...poke at things? She's basically the same, just for longer...She can't do anything without getting her ass kicked, granted she can ever REACH the battle... ..Or would that be a disadvantage for sucking? If that's the case, she's below the bishops indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Nathan argues that Sheema is useful for Ch.18, which is one chapter, while the Bishops also get one chapter of use. I argued that Sheema's likely only tanking the Dragon Knights since it's possible to get the horsemen to retreat first turn, but it's not like the Healers have more utility than that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 You can just throw Elice's reserve to somebody else, though, and there's very little statistical difference between the four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 Beserker Blader still thinks Bishop tier is more useful than Sheema. I'm waiting for this to be debated before I continue.I'd rather not get rid of the Bishop tier because they exist in the game still, and have the same join time and availability. What can happen for now is that we reorder them not based on hawtness. If somebody can find out what items they hold, this will be far easier. Banutu will drop. I just did this chapter yesterday. Lesse here... Nina has Thoron. Rena has Bolgane. Maria has Recover. And Ellis has Reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 And Elice's Reserve can be used by all four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Chapter 18 should be weighed heavier than the battle with Medius, for self-explanatory reasons. I argued that Sheema's likely only tanking the Dragon Knights since it's possible to get the horsemen to retreat first turn, but it's not like the Healers have more utility than that either.You could also not use the Warp staff and still have her fight them off.Dragon Knights though? Really? They three round her. Edited February 17, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Chapter 18 should be weighed heavier than the battle with Medius, for self-explanatory reasons.You could also not use the Warp staff and still have her fight them off. Dragon Knights though? Really? They three round her. As a note, that's not true. I recall being able to get Marth to the house first turn from his starting position + dance using his full movement both turns. But...doesn't exactly make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Chapter 18 should be weighed heavier than the battle with Medius, for self-explanatory reasons.It's still one chapter with a short period of use.Anyway, the Bishop tier will go below Worse than Est anyway, which is where I had it before. You could also not use the Warp staff and still have her fight them off. As a note, that's not true. I recall being able to get Marth to the house first turn from his starting position + dance using his full movement both turns. ==== But...doesn't exactly make a difference.It makes a nice difference. You save a Warp Staff use, and it causes a chapter trigger which makes it pitifully easy.Dragon Knights though? Really? They three round her.In an earlier post, you said that the only things that were of threat are the armors on the right. I assumed this included the Dragon Knights as part of the non-threat. Edited February 17, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.